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tom1040
12-03-2009, 07:50 AM
I have read that the woofer in these, the LE14H-3 is NLA. Is this true? If someone were to purchase these, what kind of warrenty would be there if there was a defective woofer?

Also, has anyone heard these with McIntosh equipment? If you have, what are your impressions?

Are these a great upgrade to the S2600 speakers that would be worthy of change? These would be my last speaker purchase ever and I want to get it right. I really would like to hear the 4338 & S4600 also but I guess that is impossible for me at this time( I haven't heard the 1400 arrays either).

Associated eq=
McIntosh MC 402
McIntosh C46
Marantz Sa-8001 cdp


Room=
30x13x8

Yes, I do listen to loud music sometimes.

Thanks for your repsonses.:):)

4313B
12-03-2009, 09:40 AM
If someone were to purchase these, what kind of warrenty would be there if there was a defective woofer?JBL replaces bad drivers using the serial number of the loudspeaker system. In other words, if you have a bad LE14H-3 in a 1400 Array you call JBL Customer Service, give them the serial number of the 1400 Array loudpseaker and they send you a replacement driver as long as the warranty of the 1400 Array hasn't expired. Your JBL Synthesis Dealer can give you detailed information.

timc
12-03-2009, 09:50 AM
Eh...Does this mean that if your warranty expires and you blow a woofer, your stuffed?


-Tim

tom1040
12-03-2009, 09:51 AM
Okay. Thanks. What happens AFTER the warranty ends?

Also, any thoughts on the sound compared to the S2600 (or S3100)?

Thanks

timc
12-03-2009, 09:53 AM
Okay. Thanks. What happens AFTER the warranty ends?

Also, any thoughts on the sound compared to the S2600 (or S3100)?

Thanks

I have done some listening do them with ARC electronics. They sound great. Very smooth and detailed with a low end that really kicks.

I have not auditioned the S2600/S3100 but i would be surprised if the world have not moved forward since they were launched.

IMO the 435AL is a great driver at a modest pricepoint.

Edit: Modest might be pushing it, but compared to the 435Be at least.....

-Tim

Mr. Widget
12-03-2009, 09:55 AM
Okay. Thanks. What happens AFTER the warranty ends?The 1400 Array is a current product. The warranty period is for five years. JBL will continue to have replacement LE14H-3 woofers available to owners of these systems for a number of years beyond the warranty period of the last units sold so they should be available for many years to come.

Additionally the new rubber surround materials that JBL is using should last significantly longer than the traditional foam that had been used in the past. It is conceivable that barring abuse, a LE14H-3 might out live it's owner.


Widget

4313B
12-03-2009, 10:05 AM
Eh...Does this mean that if your warranty expires and you blow a woofer, your stuffed?


-TimNo, it means you then have to pay for the driver. They will sell you the driver based on the serial number of the loudspeaker system. That replacement driver will have the usual 90 day parts warranty.

timc
12-03-2009, 10:08 AM
No, it means you then have to pay for the driver. They will sell you the driver based on the serial number of the loudspeaker system. That replacement driver will have the usual 90 day parts warranty.


Good good :)


-Tim

tom1040
12-03-2009, 10:15 AM
How does the titanium tweeter differ from a Be tweeter? Is there an Array system 'upgrade'?

Robh3606
12-03-2009, 01:56 PM
Is there an Array system 'upgrade'?

The quick answer is no however if you are willing to measure, tweek the networks, if required, and obtain the drivers on your own it could be done. We already know to change out a 435AL to a 435Be requires network change the tweeters?? Don't know yet.

Rob:)

tom1040
12-04-2009, 10:58 AM
Okay. Never mind about the upgrade-way beyond my capibilities anyway. I am thinking of buying these but have a tough time since I have not been able to hear them-hell, I never heard the S2600 speakers before I bought them either but these cost a bit more.

So, can anyone else on this board confirm what they know about them in terms of dynamics, sound-whatever.

As discussed many times before, the market for these, as well as all other higher end JBL speakers, is diminished in the U.S. due to a lack of dealer showrooms to give a listen-not to mention the lack of being able to even BUY the speakers.

BMWCCA
12-04-2009, 11:40 AM
So, can anyone else on this board confirm what they know about them in terms of dynamics, sound-whatever.I seem to recall being regaled with ample support for the quality of the 1400 Array when I was tempted. Many called them one of the best and rated them a level above the vaunted 250ti and any of the 43xx monitors, if I remember correctly. It got my interest, for sure. Grab a snack and a chair and start here: http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=23210 (http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=23210&highlight=array+1400)

Have you tried the search function? ;)

4313B
12-04-2009, 12:27 PM
The LE14H-3 has the same splendid bottom end that its predecessors had (LE14H, LE14H-1). It has never had a better top end complement than the 1400 Array Horn/435AL/045TI. This same top end is used in the Synthesis SAM1HF.

tom1040
12-04-2009, 12:28 PM
Yes, I have tried the search function. Quite often. It seems like there are a few people who have heard and/or own these and like them quite a bit. I a quite sure I would too, however, I want to be sure.

Since I have invested some $ into electronics, I want the match to work.

tom1040
12-04-2009, 01:54 PM
Sorry to beat this to death but I have another question. Since these are rear ported, does placement have a great effect? The S2600 speakers are front ported & work well in my room. My concern stems from wondering how far from the walls ( side & rear ) these should be. I could not find any mention of this in a search.

Thanks.

timc
12-04-2009, 03:30 PM
Sorry to beat this to death but I have another question. Since these are rear ported, does placement have a great effect? The S2600 speakers are front ported & work well in my room. My concern stems from wondering how far from the walls ( side & rear ) these should be. I could not find any mention of this in a search.

Thanks.


This greatly depends on your room. Espescially the makeup of your walls will determine this. The level of transmission, reflection and absorbption will set the "rules" of your room.


-Tim

Titanium Dome
12-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Okay, I'll bite.

I've got S/2600s in the big master bedroom and SAM1HF units in the bottom level HT. Ooh! ooh! and I've got LE14H-3 units in the PS1400 subs. So these are informed but indirect comments.

The horns: these are different beasts. The S/2600 horn is big, unusual, and intended for use in a two-way system used primarily for two-channel sound. The SAM1HF is relatively smaller and intended for three-or four-way use in either two-channel or multi-channel applications. They do not sound the same.

The woofer: The LE14H-3 is a wonderful driver (used in the 1400 Array) that is musical, articulate, and strong. The ME120H in the S/2600 is a very good woofer, too, but it's not the equal of the LE14H-3 and it can run out of gas if driven too hard. Plus, it's covering a lot more ground in that two-way design, so it's stretched out at both ends.

The S/2600 is a very good speaker, and I plan to keep a pair for a long time. It's a very pleasing, easy to listen to, dynamic, and smooth design, that brings a fantastic sense of realism to stereo sound. I've heard the 1400 Array and, as I wrote, I have the SAM1HF units in my HT, and they are better than the S/2600 in almost every way. It's more powerful, more detailed, smoother, and cleaner, and it performs with greater ease--hardly breaking a sweat even at insane levels.

tom1040
12-06-2009, 10:28 AM
Thanks TD. The S2600 ARE a very good speaker & work well with McIntosh equipment.

Can the same be said for the 1400 Array's? Good with McIntosh?

timc
12-06-2009, 12:02 PM
I have heard the 1400's with MC-501 and yes. It works.


-Tim

tom1040
12-08-2009, 07:07 AM
Thanks for everyones help.

Titanium Dome
12-08-2009, 10:16 AM
Let us know if you're going to take the plunge.

BTW, I have a line on a used pair here in SoCal. I could troll for the bottom line price. There's no way I could bring these home after the Synthesis® acquisition. :o:

tom1040
12-09-2009, 10:20 AM
Thanks TD. By the way, that Synthesis system must be awesome. I think I would have a hard time leaving my house if I had something like that.:bouncy:

4313B
12-09-2009, 10:21 AM
There's no way I could bring these home after the Synthesis® acquisition. :o:Oh gee! Ya think! :rotfl: :applaud:

Mr. Widget
12-09-2009, 11:07 AM
BTW, I have a line on a used pair here in SoCal.
If you are serious about 1400 Arrays and are cool with second hand, you should take Dome up on his offer... he continually amazes me at the deals he finds. :applaud:


Widget

Titanium Dome
12-09-2009, 12:43 PM
Thanks TD. By the way, that Synthesis system must be awesome. I think I would have a hard time leaving my house if I had something like that.:bouncy:

It's become my second favorite room, if you know what I mean. :D








If not, here's a clue:


:smsex:

tom1040
12-09-2009, 03:53 PM
Got it. The master bedroom where the S2600 are.......Just kidding, of course.

BMWCCA
12-09-2009, 04:09 PM
It's become my second favorite room, if you know what I mean. :DI like my garage, too! ;)

hjames
12-09-2009, 06:28 PM
I like my garage, too! ;)

Maybe he meant the bathroom -
I know some guys swear its the best place in the haus!

'Course in the uk the Shed is a pretty important room -
unless you're a nutter!

BMWCCA
12-09-2009, 10:56 PM
Maybe he meant the bathroom -
I know some guys swear its the best place in the haus!Nobody spends any time there anymore; just ask the newspaper and magazine publishers!