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Ian Mackenzie
06-16-2004, 09:09 AM
Okay,


This is it, anything goes about anything and anyone........Mud Sticks.

If Giskard does post here first about the you know what I'll bare my .........you know what. No doubt we will see Bo follow shortly there after...he will.

Ian:eek:

Figge
06-16-2004, 10:21 AM
i remember a long time ago in my youth 13-14 years ago:) me and a buddie bought a sort of diy kit (with 2*15" lf, 4* 6,5" mids and 4 dometweeters) from a mailorder company called Hobbex. we also got 2 walkietalkies if we bought for over a sertain amount, and we qualified. anyway got the stuff home and started with the cabinets. took alot of mdf and 2weeks of hard work after school. finally we hooked em up to his old pioneer 2*25W amp. and we both had the laugh of our lifes. i have never since that day heard anything worse!. but it was a fun experience. and thats what counts? we talk about them from time to time and they still provide us with a good laugh! so the money wasnt wasted.

Regis
06-16-2004, 10:23 AM
My experience was last summer at a patio party here in the High Desert and someone had a large pair of Roger Sound Lab speakers that had seen better days. Except for myself, everyone else was fueled by alcoholic concoctions of various sorts and didn't seem to notice or mind what the over-driving Onkyo amp was doing the speakers. The sound of the usual 70's medley of Bob Seeger and The Allman Brothers band was reduced to shreds. Sonically it was equivalent to what would happen if hordes of tumbleweeds were forced to make love to pollinate, while on top of a corrugated barn. They just didn't know.

Robh3606
06-16-2004, 10:26 AM
My favorates were Panasonic Thrusters!! Some cone tweeter a dual 5" midrange and an 8" passive radiator all in a box 12X24X4 deep. Now those were speakers:D


Rob:)

John Nebel
06-16-2004, 10:41 AM
Guess AR-2 @ $89ea with no treble included is no match for these others :(

John

scott fitlin
06-16-2004, 05:15 PM
My friend, back in my high school days, went to Lafayette and bought four of these speakers, they each had a 12in woofer, a small cone mid, and a piezo type tweeter! The cabinets were made of this thin pressboard that almost looked like cardboard! he had a Radio Shack REALISTIC reciever, and hadd all four speakers hooked up to it, and he swore he had my fathers L-300,s beat, the bass in his room was intense!

So I finally go over to hear it, man it was pure distortion, the speakers driven into total fuzzed out sound, mids blaring, and highs sounding like eggs frying! he was demoing his system with some Zeppelin, and Randy is swearing to me this beats your dads stupid JBL,s and that McIntosh amp. He said it even compared to the system we had in the Eldorado.

I just didnt have the heart to tell him he bought pure shit, but I did say, Hey Randy, theres this program on TV I want to catch....................

Figge
06-17-2004, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by scott fitlin
piezo type tweeter!...pressboard that almost looked like cardboard!



eeww! really bad combination!

GordonW
06-17-2004, 11:06 PM
One of the WORST speaker experiences I've had, was the "vaunted" AvantGarde Duo horn-speaker system. IMHO, the sound was EXTREMELY HARSH... like a fingernail driving a blackboard directly into my ear canal at high speed, with a disc brake raping a smoke alarm in the background. Dunno if it was ther amp, the room, or the speaker... but really, ANY speaker that could be "coaxed" into sounding THAT BAD, in ANY (even mis-done) setup, is something I'm not going to willingly have ANYTHING to do with. Especially when it costs thousands of dollars a pair!!

Did I mention that I REALLY DID NOT LIKE the Avantgarde Duo?

But, really... if you wanted TRULY AWFUL speaker experiences, one of the MOST TRUSTED methods was to be a car stereo installer in the early 1980s. At one of the earliest stereo contests, a guy showed up in a big old Chevy van, with 4 6x9 speakers, no box, just raw speakers, LAYING ON THE DASHBOARD. Somehow managed to hit 113dB A-weighted!! Talk about near immediate hearing damage! And that was only one of many ways that things got f***ed up... another, was the guy who had 8 Cerwin-Vega 12" woofers and some big Altec horns, firing forward in his Ford Escort EXP (the hatchback coupe). Wrong crossover points (the horns were literally CRACKLING at high volume), bad placement (the horn mouth was literally 6 INCHES BEHIND YOUR HEAD in the car, bad box design (one-note boom at 50 Hz, not much else!), bad wiring (the headlights would almost dim COMPLETELY OFF on big bass transients, he was overloading the electrical system SO badly). I'd estimate at least 33.3% distortion... and that's BEFORE he pegged the volume knob!!


Regards,
Gordon.
whew, I actually feel better now! :D

Ian Mackenzie
06-18-2004, 12:30 AM
I will cop a pitch fork with this but who cares..

The worst so called monitor speaker of all time for me is the Altec 604 8G and all derivatives.

Not even a $10,000 audible illusions pre amp and value power amp could tame the harsh scratchy sound of this driver, certainly no match for the Tannoy 15 monitor gold of the same era.


Ian
:banghead:

speakerdave
06-18-2004, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Ian Mackenzie

The worst so called monitor speaker of all time for me is the Altec 604 8G and all derivatives . . . . certainly no match for the Tannoy 15 monitor gold of the same era.
Ian
:banghead:

Difference of opinion is what makes a market, I guess. I did listen to an older Tannoy for awhile. It was one of the few mono speakers I heard that was life-like.

Since I've been hearing music through the LSR32's I've been spoiled for a lot of things. I got along with the 604 8G for a long time, but I hooked mine up again here a week ago, and I'm having a little trouble with it, even with decent tube electronics. You can psycho-acoustic yourself into a lot of things. None of this stuff is perfect. If you're ever going to listen to music instead of gear you focus on a given system's good points and ignore the bad (if you can). That was actually my determination twenty-five years ago when I put this hobby aside--to listen to the music and try to not let the equipment irritate me. It's a good way to get along. But when I had a chance I dumped my "accurate" but dead dog AR11's and hooked up those 604's. It was like a breath of fresh air.

Stopped by a friend's house one Saturday afternoon a long time ago and got my first exposure to someone raving about a full range driver. Phase coherence definitely makes up for a healthy dose of other ills. But these were some small unknown full range drivers in 1.5 ft boxes. The coherence was palpable, but to me it was so obvious that it sounded like Vassar Clements was playing that fiddle under a blanket.

Hey, Macka, both you and Bo have the great 4348, but you've both allowed as how there's a tweak you need to get rid of horn rash, and that's just the way it is.

And be careful about exposure to LSR32's.

David

Ian Mackenzie
06-18-2004, 06:42 AM
Quote.

http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2582&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

quote:L100 Giskard

I too used them for many years, mostly as "saw horses" while building custom loudspeaker systems for home installations. They worked perfectly fine in that role.

I've also used them in a pinch to keep a big block "rat" from rolling around in a pickup truck bed. The cast iron was able to "dig" into the oiled black walnut and form makeshift motor mounts for the ride to the machine shop.

Perhaps the best use I found for them though was using them to prop open sash windows, drivers facing out into the gently falling snow, and playing Halloween music at volume when Christmas Carolers came down the street.

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I would have anticipated a direct post but such is the poetry of the ideocentic Teck Bot Knocker.

How could it be repeated, it was an original work of a "Master JBL Baster" ......can't wait for the 4xxx thrashing.

The graffiti in the thunder box must demand admission.


Ian

Maron Horonzakz
06-18-2004, 07:24 AM
Ian ......Giskard didnt post first..........We,r waiting......Drop em & bare em

4313B
06-18-2004, 07:45 AM
Sorry Ian, I thought this was "The Grungy Speaker Thread-By Request" thread and I don't consider L100's to be grungy. :D

Ian Mackenzie
06-18-2004, 08:00 AM
So we will just improvise hey.


Ian

:D

Ian Mackenzie
06-18-2004, 08:06 AM
.......

HenryW
06-18-2004, 08:39 AM
Well, In my limited experience with several Sansui speakers from late sixties to early seventies - I never found one I liked. They came off at very high dollar (unless you picked them up in Japan coming back from Vietnam) and had a sound that could make me appreciate Bose.

Folks seemed to love them, but even extremely high levels of THC couldn't get my ear to understand why...

Maron Horonzakz
06-18-2004, 09:32 AM
OOOOOOHHH.. If my speakers had legs like that I wouldnt care what they sounded like.

scott fitlin
06-18-2004, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Ian Mackenzie
....... If only she had on a more modern, much shorter mini skirt! cause Id really like to see her Magnetic gap, and give her some flux density!

Maron Horonzakz
06-18-2004, 10:43 AM
She,s not interested in little tweeters.

HenryW
06-18-2004, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Maron Horonzakz
She,s not interested in little tweeters.

As Maron told her 'I am looking for a woman to last long enough to satisfy me'


Yeah, right.

scott fitlin
06-18-2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Maron Horonzakz
She,s not interested in little tweeters. JBL should find that woman now, and use her for an ad these days! Somehow, I dont think we would all have the same desire for her or the speakers!

BTW, I dont have a little tweeter, I have a folded horn, with an exponentially expanding horn flare!

:eek:

jbl
06-18-2004, 11:02 AM
What speakers?

Alex Lancaster
06-18-2004, 11:27 AM
From the BS, boseys.

jblnut
06-18-2004, 11:57 AM
I still use my original 1977 Panasonic all-in-one (with 8 track) stereo for basement tunes and the damn thrusters still sound as crappy as the day I unpacked them. Can't beat a good whizzer cone I always say :-).


But for truly bad...I have to reach deep into the early 80's. A local hi-fi chain in the east called Tech Hifi sold a house brand of speakers called "TDC" (totally dead and cheap). One pair of their particularly harsh and boomy 12" 3-ways with piezo tweeter found its way from one friend of mine to another. I just couldn't escape the damn things. Just as one friend realized how crappy they were and sold them, another came along and bought them.

The last friend to own them just recently retired 'em when I showed up with a pair of TI240's. "You won't need those any more" I said....but I have a feeling they are still out there somewhere. Boomy, screechy, awful...

jblnut

Figge
06-18-2004, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by jblnut
One pair of their particularly harsh and boomy 12" 3-ways with piezo tweeter found its way from one friend of mine to another


theres that piezo again! they find their way into the real stuff hu?

i have one of those things lying around here somewhere. maybe iŽll put it up at the marketplace section?

Chas
06-18-2004, 12:24 PM
Hmm...lemme see now, how about Cerwin Vegas from the seventies and early eighties?

scott fitlin
06-18-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Chas
Hmm...lemme see now, how about Cerwin Vegas from the seventies and early eighties? That 18 cerwin Vega had, the Stroker! Probably a good match for the JBL ad with the broad, eh?

Maron Horonzakz
06-18-2004, 02:01 PM
Vega ? Viagra ? Whats the difference ?

Figge
06-18-2004, 02:07 PM
the difference is obvious! they are the opposite of eachother.

scott fitlin
06-18-2004, 02:07 PM
New speaker Cerwin-Viagra! Its bass is always erect! To insure true piston motion across the operating range!

Figge
06-18-2004, 02:09 PM
he!

HenryW
06-18-2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by scott fitlin
New speaker Cerwin-Viagra! Its bass is always erect! To insure true piston motion across the operating range!

Has this got something to do with polarity and whether positive is in or out?

porschedpm
06-20-2004, 08:24 PM
Back in the mid to late 70's a buddy of mine had a pair of B.I.C. Venturi Formula 4 (or 5) speakers that he bought along with a Pioneer receiver and B.I.C. record changer from Warehouse Sound in San Luis Obispo. The B.I.C. speakers were either Formula 4 or 5's: Big ported cabinets with three (or maybe four) drivers that played loud but sounded only a little better than a ghetto blaster at full blast with the mega-bass switch on. My buddy thought they sounded great but I don't think there was enough weed in the world to make them sound good. With speakers like these it was little wonder why there were so many L100's sold back then.

I did find a speaker line that made the B.I.C.'s sound good though. Around 1978 I worked as a salesman for a company called Custom Hi-Fi. They had a line of House speakers that were just faux wood veneer-covered fiberboard boxes with a bunch of Peerless speakers stuffed inside. I doubt there was any money spent on engineering this line of speakers. At their stated retail there was about 400+% gross profit in them. However they never sold at full retail. They were always advertised at 50% or more off to get people in the store. Or we'd sell a customer on a receiver/turntable and house speaker combo and to close the deal we'd show the customer what a huge discount off of retail we were giving them when in actuality we were selling the receiver and turntable at full retail and still making 100% or so gross profit on the speakers. Back then there was this public perception that the bigger the speaker the better it must be. So for the customers that were more interested in getting big speakers at a huge discount, these speakers were for them. Talk about psycho-acoustics, I think for some people back in the late 70's, the bigger the speaker was, and the bigger the discount off of an over-inflated retail price, the better a speaker sounded to them.

scott fitlin
06-20-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by HenryW
Has this got something to do with polarity and whether positive is in or out? Well, yes it does! Forward motion is Positive, while negative is the diaphragm motion backward.

The Cerwin-Viagras produce both positive and negative signals, and the longer the piston can last, the more sound that will be produced by the girl, I mean the speaker, in the picture.

HenryW
06-21-2004, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by scott fitlin
Well, yes it does! Forward motion is Positive, while negative is the diaphragm motion backward.

The Cerwin-Viagras produce both positive and negative signals, and the longer the piston can last, the more sound that will be produced by the girl, I mean the speaker, in the picture.


:p :p :o

scott fitlin
06-21-2004, 07:06 PM
I mean the speaker, generally prefers the positive ( in phase ) polarity!

Tight gap tolerance too, to insure explosive dynamics!

:D