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4313B
05-15-2004, 12:17 PM
Let me know if these are good enough to make repros from.

4313B
05-15-2004, 12:21 PM
9-3/4" high x 3" wide

4313B
05-15-2004, 12:26 PM
6-1/4" high x 2-5/8" wide

Scan failed. Silver letters won't scan. :(

4313B
05-15-2004, 12:32 PM
5-5/8" high x 2-3/8" wide

4313B
05-15-2004, 12:39 PM
3-3/4" high x 4-3/4" wide

4313B
05-15-2004, 12:47 PM
6-5/8" high x 2-3/4" wide

4313B
05-15-2004, 12:55 PM
3-1/4" high x 4-1/8" wide

John
05-15-2004, 01:12 PM
I hope there,s a 4350 in there somewhere???:banana: :banana: :banana:

Figge
05-15-2004, 01:19 PM
Question: the 4430 is a two way system right? how come theres a MF & HF pot?. :confused:

i saw this in the first picture here.

4313B
05-15-2004, 01:33 PM
I couldn't come up with a 4350, 4350B, or 4355. :banghead:

I'm really sorry. Hopefully someone else can pitch in.






4430 / 4435 (http://lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/specs/pro-speakers/1981-4430-35.htm)

4430 / 4435 (http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/443035.pdf)

www.aes.org

Improvements in Monitor Loudspeaker Systems
Volume 31 Number 6 pp. 408-422; May 1983
As the recording industry enjoys the benefits of both digital and advanced analog recording technology, attention is appropriately focused on the use of compression driver and horn designs which are some 25-30 years old. Evolutionary improvements in woofers, compression drivers, and dividing networks combined with new constant-coverage horn designs have resulted in a frequency response more consistently uniform at all coverage angles (yielding flat power response) along with lowered distortion and increased acoustic power output at the frequency levels.
Authors: Smith, David; Keele, Jr., D. B.; Eargle, John
E-lib Location: (CD aes4) /jrnl7888/1983/7921.pdf
downloadable electronic version PDF (1.3 MB) $5.00 AES Member | $10.00 Non-Member
hard copy $5.00 AES Member | $10.00 Non-Member

Figge
05-15-2004, 02:29 PM
DAMN! now im even more impressed by these 4430. i just gotta get em!

JBL Dog
05-16-2004, 12:42 AM
I'd like to get a set of 4343 foilcals. I'm about ready to replace some of the L-pads and would be interested in a back-up set in case they are damaged removing them.

This message comes from JBL Dog :band:

Hofmannhp
05-16-2004, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Giskard
9-3/4" high x 3" wide

hi Giskard,

the scans are great.....and usable to copy them for silk screening.

I have to talk with Guido, who had posted some days before, to copy some foilcals with silkscreening.

BTW: the 4435 is exactly the same like the 4430, except the model no. xxx5

HP

Guido
05-16-2004, 03:33 AM
Are you sure with this HP?

I think the 4435 HF level is max 0 dB.

Have to look at my scans.

Hofmannhp
05-16-2004, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Guido
Are you sure with this HP?

I think the 4435 HF level is max 0 dB.

Have to look at my scans.

Guido...your'r right.....4435 high frequecy: -8 to 0

sorry.:banghead:

HP

Guido
05-16-2004, 10:54 AM
I'm still looking for some of you who want 4343 levelplates in silk screen printing.
I need a batch of 10 pairs. See my offer in "Marketplace"

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2160

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2159

Nameplates are still available!

Mr. Widget
05-16-2004, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Hofmannhp
hi Giskard,

the scans are great.....and usable to copy them for silk screening.



HP


I have taken Guido's 4343 scan at full resolution, (thanks for sending it to me Guido) and created the artwork and fonts as new vector artwork in Adobe Illustrator to create a "replica" 4355 foilcal. Recently I noticed on Bo's 4345 foilcals that the design of the foilcals is slightly different in this later generation than the earlier 4343s so I will need to make some additional changes. There are subtle font and text changes, but the principal change is the 0dB location.

My concern about using the scans directly is that the original printing process softened the edges a bit, then the scan softens it a bit, then the next printing will soften it a bit. It is kind of like making cassette copies of cassettes, remember when? Anyway in recreating the artwork it is possible to get exactly the results of the original. It is especially helpful to have an original example to copy however. My 4355 foilcal is purely a guess. As I mentioned above the dB indications are certainly incorrect.

This image still looks soft because I have posted a jpeg, but the original is tack sharp at any magnification.

Mr. Widget
05-16-2004, 01:02 PM
Still soft but you get the idea.

Hofmannhp
05-16-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Widget (edited by HP)
.....and created the artwork and fonts as new vector artwork in Adobe Illustrator to create a "replica" 4355 foilcal. .......

Hi Widget,

I try it in the same way like you (but for 4333B).
I use Adobe Photoshop 7 and tried several fonts for the different positions.
Hoping you are a step further.....which fonts do you use?

HP

Mr. Widget
05-16-2004, 01:45 PM
Photoshop is still only bit mapped images. To get good results you will need to work large and reduce it. The beauty of AI or Corel Draw or Freehand is that they are vector based so you can work with actual dimensions and really nail it. You can also take your final JBL logo for example and change it's scale for other foilcals and there is no degradation.

As for the fonts, they are mostly a variety of different Helveticas, but then I have to modify them. These foilcals were done before the advent of desktop publishing so every printer used slightly different fonts. The graphic designer would specify Helvetica or Futura or whatever, but different printers would have slightly different versions of type. Also all of the letter spacing, kerning and leading were done differently so to make a flawless copy requires a bit of work.

To get the parts I wanted for my 4355, I have done about half of the 4343. If I get bored one night I may finish it and give it out like I did with the 4343 Grille logo plaque.

Widget

John Nebel
05-16-2004, 03:14 PM
Widget is right about the wisdom of using vector graphics, however, last week, I scanned a 4435 foilcal at 600dpi and today cleaned it up in Photoshop. This is a photog's approach and photogs are slow, especially me.

The tiff is about 30mb and the jpg is 350kb

ftp://atlas.csd.net/jbl/4435_foilcal.jpg or .tiff

A 3x enlargement of a detail of the image shows it is at least not terrible.

http://www.csdco.com/4435_lab.jpg

John

Mr. Widget
05-16-2004, 03:25 PM
Can't tell from your jpeg, but looks like the tops of the 4s, M, d, and l are all kind of puffy (have crown to them). I suppose I obsess a bit too much though. I bet it will be fine at scale on your speakers.:)

Widget

John Nebel
05-16-2004, 03:38 PM
Widget,

You are right, of course. Illustrator is just a different and foreign world for me!

John

Hofmannhp
05-16-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Widget (edited by HP)
.........they are mostly a variety of different Helveticas....... The graphic designer would specify Helvetica or Futura or whatever, but different printers would have slightly different versions of type. Also all of the letter spacing, kerning and leading were done differently so to make a flawless copy requires a bit of work.
Widget

thanks Widget and John,

I will try it also with Illustrator......till now I was able to work out the details of scanned foilcals very fine in Photoshop.
Widget-> for the spacing and kerning I used the "free scaling" tool in PS7.

HP

boputnam
07-15-2009, 03:25 PM
As requested...

Dims:

Imperial =
2-3/4 in x 9-5/8 in

Metric =
7 cm x 24.4 cm

Label area, at top is:
2-3/4 in x 1-23/32 in
7 cm x 4.35 cm

One image with flash, the other without. The ruler positioning is approx. Measurements taken after-the-fact from the foilcal directly.

Ian Mackenzie
07-16-2009, 02:51 AM
Hey Dude,

Where have I seen those things before!!

rjtimmerman
10-24-2009, 09:27 PM
Hello, I can reproduce all lables, including VOX and Fender. Made of same thickness of aluminum and multi printed, rear is 3M 468mp back adhesive -press and stick.
Also front grill badges for the 4300 series and much more..
foilcalRus
[email protected]

BMWCCA
10-24-2009, 10:37 PM
Also front grill badges for the 4300 series and much more..Rudy,

I know your work is excellent, and we've done business before, but what is your suggested method for attaching your badges to the 4300 speaker grilles?

:confused:

rjtimmerman
10-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Hello,
I make 2 types of mounts. pin with a clutch type as factory did mount,
and I also use magnets. This will not harm the grill cloth.

**Forgot to mention:I also serialize the on JBL foilcal labels-by stamping.
I hope this helps..
Regards, R.j

BMWCCA
10-25-2009, 08:10 AM
Hello,
I make 2 types of mounts. pin with a clutch type as factory did mount,
and I also use magnets. This will not harm the grill cloth.Thanks but I was talking about the nearly-full-width badges for the big 43xx studio monitors. I have some of your stick-pin and magnet "JBL" badges but my 4345 plates have no threaded studs to fit on the "stock" L-brackets. Thanks for the reply.

Mr. Widget
10-25-2009, 01:33 PM
Hello, I can reproduce all lables, including VOX and Fender. Made of same thickness of aluminum and multi printed, rear is 3M 468mp back adhesive -press and stick.
Also front grill badges for the 4300 series and much more..
foilcalRus
[email protected] don't you start a new thread in the Market Place area describing what you do and give price ranges, delivery schedules etc.

I am sure there are interested parties here who would like more info.


Widget

rjtimmerman
10-25-2009, 01:50 PM
On the front grills LONG BADGES- I have the demensions to place the pin mounts in exact placement to the JBL brackets-it seems to work for the buyers very well. I think I have done just about all models, both silver/black and modern black/orange/white.
I do not own a pair of those monitors..I just make the parts.
Regards, R.j
foilcalsRus.
I will start a new link in the market site as Mr. Widget proposed (thank you).

mm54
10-30-2009, 12:59 AM
JBL L300 SUMMIT foilcals (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25485)

hjames
10-30-2009, 02:27 AM
JBL L300 SUMMIT foilcals (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25485)

The old L300 SUMMIT name Plate

The new MVL custom JBL L300 SUMMIT Name Plate
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=40370&d=1245742426


I think I can repeat the same or other types if anyone is interested but I need time ... contact MP


Right - and what kind of price would there be for an engraved thick plaque like that be?
Just a ballpark, please?

4313B
10-30-2009, 07:51 AM
These "3D" foilcals are very nice.



I liked the stock 4430 and 4435 "foilcals" due to their thickness so they could be bolted onto the baffle instead of glued if desired.

Doc Mark
10-30-2009, 10:29 AM
Hi, Heather, and All,

I asked for a price, too, a while back, and whilst I am sure that the plaques are well worth it, the asking price was more than a little too much for my budget. Your mileage may vary.... GREAT work, though!! Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

hjames
10-30-2009, 11:41 AM
Hi, Heather, and All,

I asked for a price, too, a while back, and whilst I am sure that the plaques are well worth it, the asking price was more than a little too much for my budget. Your mileage may vary.... GREAT work, though!! Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

And that price is ... ???

I mean, if its $500 a pair, there will be few buyers ...

Doc Mark
10-30-2009, 05:59 PM
Hi, Heather,

Please go the head of the class, and get a nice gold star, Miss! You are very close to dead on the money!! Are those nice plaques lovely and desireable? Darned right! Will I shell out that kind of money for them? Not a chance. I'd much rather buy another pair of nice JBL's, than spend that kind of coin on a pair of fantastic foil cal/plaques. But, hey, that's just me.... I wish this Gentleman lots of success in his JBL plaque venue, as he seems like a very nice Guy. But, it's a bit too high cotton for me. Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

audiomagnate
03-12-2015, 02:08 PM
Dead thread revival

Does anyone know of a source for L100 repro foilcals? I thought they used to be sold on EBay, but not any more.

hjames
03-12-2015, 02:18 PM
Dead thread revival

Does anyone know of a source for L100 repro foilcals? I thought they used to be sold on EBay, but not any more.

ebay member sign--shop sells pretty much whatever you want -

(pretty sure thats still rjtimmerman in the thread below, tho he apparently hasn't logged on here since 2011)

http://www.ebay.com/sch/sign--shop/m.html?item=261365587400&hash=item3cda9a5dc8&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


64841

tjm001
10-27-2015, 05:49 PM
Hi, Heather,

Please go the head of the class, and get a nice gold star, Miss! You are very close to dead on the money!! Are those nice plaques lovely and desireable? Darned right! Will I shell out that kind of money for them? Not a chance. I'd much rather buy another pair of nice JBL's, than spend that kind of coin on a pair of fantastic foil cal/plaques. But, hey, that's just me.... I wish this Gentleman lots of success in his JBL plaque venue, as he seems like a very nice Guy. But, it's a bit too high cotton for me. Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

Doc is right. I'm just askin' about rjtimmerman whose Last Activity on this site on 12-31-2011 10:11 AM. I paid this guy $4.98 each for 8 JBL grill pegs on eBay, plus $2.99 shipping. That's $42.93 for 8 tiny little plastic things that would normally be worth about 10 cents a piece. Like a fool I gave him positive feedback. Did he in turn give me any positive feedback for paying immediately? Hell no! He didn't bother. He just took the money and ran.

Then I ask him if he will sell me two L300 fake foilcals for my L300 lookalikes. He wants $130.00! Even though he was making two of them for someone else the same day! What a racket. But hey, that's just me.

Tom

hjames
10-28-2015, 11:29 AM
Doc is right. I'm just askin' about rjtimmerman whose Last Activity on this site on 12-31-2011 10:11 AM. I paid this guy $4.98 each for 8 JBL grill pegs on eBay, plus $2.99 shipping. That's $42.93 for 8 tiny little plastic things that would normally be worth about 10 cents a piece. Like a fool I gave him positive feedback. Did he in turn give me any positive feedback for paying immediately? Hell no! He didn't bother. He just took the money and ran.

Then I ask him if he will sell me two L300 fake foilcals for my L300 lookalikes.
He wants $130.00! Even though he was making two of them for someone else the same day!
What a racket. But hey, that's just me.

Tom

Guess it kind of depends on what you want and what its worth to you.
I did buy a pair of the long JBL monitor foilcals for the 4341 monitors I had a few years back.
I had plans to make them box stock like new, but I never made/bought grills for them so I never
actually used the badges, so I turned them over to the new owner when I sold the speakers.

But I never had a pair of custom foilcals made for the "L200 3-ways" I have for many years -
Listening to them and enjoying them took priority over labelling them ... I never spent $130 for them.

And yep, I bought the delrin pins at one time myself - they weren't available elsewhere and they were worth buying for me -
they are hardly 10 cent items - I sure didn't have time or gear to turn them on my lathe ...
although I have run a turret lathe many years ago in the past, I have no lathe at home!

JeffW
10-28-2015, 12:37 PM
I have a lathe at home and would gladly pay RJ his price for pegs and sockets.

tjm001
10-28-2015, 07:48 PM
I was just grumpy last night when I wrote the post.

focalguy
10-28-2015, 09:29 PM
Rudy's prices aren't cheap but the workmanship is definitely top notch. I doubt i would have sold my mint restored 4333a's for $7000.00 canadian if it werent for the badges and foilcals.