2035 vs 2226

[ngccglp]

Hi,

I noticed the latest JBL 4000 cinema series uses either 2035 for passive applications or 2226 for active applications.

Does anyone know what is the relative merit of each of these woofer?

Thanks

[johnaec]

All I can tell you is the 2226 series is a heck of a lot more speaker than the 2035. I imagine JBL's sole reason for using the 2035 is that 90% of its, (2035), users don't need the capabilities of the 2226, so why make a cabinet that's more expensive than they need, if it means they won't buy it?

John

[robertbartsch]

I need the capabilities of the 2226 in my HT.

[Robh3606]

It's essentially a lower power version of a 2226. They are interchangeable as far as box tuning. It's used in many of Cinema systems made for smaller venues in Dual and Single woofer configurations in the exact same boxes as the 2226 is used for larger theaters. They both can sound very good.

Rob:)

[JBL Dog]

Hi,

I noticed the latest JBL 4000 cinema series uses either 2035 for passive applications or 2226 for active applications.

Does anyone know what is the relative merit of each of these woofer?

Thanks

I was really impressed with the dual 2035H loaded JBL 4638 in a "DJ" application in a medium sized club.

[spkrman57]

I believe the 2035 is just a economized 2226.

For lower power applications are cheaper to obtain.

Ron

[spkrman57]

Funny how things happen. I happened on this thread at the beginning of this month. Now a pair of never used 2035's found their way into my home.

They are not broke in, but I decided to throw them on the WT2 to get some quick specs:

Revc-----3.9 ohms-----3.9 ohms
Fs------48.7 hz-------51.9 hz
Qes-------.36-----------.4
Qms------3.28----------3.34
Qts--------.32-----------.35
Zmax-----39.8 ohms----36.9 ohms
Le----------.298 mH------.3 mH

Sorry for the dashes, if I don't the columns don't line up right.:(

I won't be able to post the T/S of the drivers after break-in for awhile as my plate is full of non audio projects that can't wait.

As a matter of fact, I'm heading out to break up the ice dams on my roof as water is seeping in.:banghead:

Just thought this might be handy if anyone planned on using them for a project.

I will be doing that in the near future after all my other disasters are taken care of!:blink:

Regards, Ron

[spkrman57]

These drivers don't see 8 ohms until approx 1khz.

They look more like 6 ohm drivers in the usable range!

I'm not quite sure why they ended up that way. They also seem identical to the 2035H listing in the JBL literature, not like the 2035HPL-1 that is listed also.

Ron

[johnaec]

Doesn't the 2035 have a 3" VC and the 2226 a 4"? That's a huge difference right there!

John

[spkrman57]

But the 2035H sold for much less $$$ than the 2226H.

Also the 2035H is vented with simple center vent like the older E130/E140's.

For my application with SET tube amps using less than 10 wpc there would be little difference to be concerned with.

Also, my last pair of 2226's left the house this morning, so all I have left for my simple 2-way systems are the pair of 2035HPL's.

I won't be able to give any actual listening impressions until my house problems are dealt with. But in the future I will tell what I think of the 2035's.

Regards, Ron



Doesn't the 2035 have a 3" VC and the 2226 a 4"? That's a huge difference right there!

John

[spkrman57]

I have had several 2226 drivers in many different ported cabinets from 3 cu ft to 6 cuft over the years and find they are comfortable in this range with a nice tight sound to them.

I use them with less than 200 wpc, most of the time less than 10wpc tube powered, and that WILL make a difference to someone using them in a different application than I did in the home hi-fi environment.

Since I recently obtained a pair of 2035HPL's and broke them in and used them in similiar cabinets to the ones I used the 2226's in I feel I can comment on them(or at least give MY opinion on them) considering how well they fare to the 2226.

I found them more punchy in the midbass at a slightly higher frequency than the 2226's. They have a different rising response (read that as less linear) compared to the 2226 which gives them a less flattering midrange, but not quite night and day difference, but something I noticed after some extensive listening to them.

Finally, I find the very slightly higher efficiency due more to the 6 ohm impedance range that the 2035 rides along in most of the bandwidth that it operates in.

If you can't afford the 2226 for a project, the 2035 is a nice economical alternative. For me, I'll use them more in experimental projects than in my main system. My 300B SET amps which are highly revealing and the 2226 is very sweet in the midbass/midrange area which show off its best qualities.

Regards, Ron

[mikebake]

I never liked them very much, and also thought the 2226 signficantly better sounding. I didn't keep my pair very long at all.

[spkrman57]

Just about any Eminence pro sound 15" driver for $200/pr would not really compete with the 2035.

And I paid less than that for my 2035's!

Regards, Ron



I never liked them very much, and also thought the 2226 signficantly better sounding. I didn't keep my pair very long at all.

[Allanvh5150]

Just about any Eminence pro sound 15" driver for $200/pr would not really compete with the 2035.

And I paid less than that for my 2035's!

Regards, Ron

Hi Ron,

Nice that you are an SET fan but let me ask.....Why do you use the 300B?

Allan.

[xanax]

I just picked up a pair for a project I'll be starting soon, I was going to go with 2235s but got the pair of 2035s for $100. Too damn cheap to not at least try them I can always get something else if I don't like them. The 2235 was probably overkill for what I was going to do anyway.

[spkrman57]

Hi Ron,

Nice that you are an SET fan but let me ask.....Why do you use the 300B?

Allan.

Hi Allen!

I like the SET amps when using high efficiency speakers. My favorite triode tube is the 45 at a whopping 1.8 watt ouput since it has the most revealing midrange detail and character.

Its usefullness without a fully horn-loaded system of at last 100db/watt and more realistically 105db/watt (Edgarhorn is one example) would fall short of anything but low to med listening levels.

I don't have the room for a midbass horn to load properly in my smallish listening room. I had 3-way Edgarhorns before and tried it so I know it does not run most efficiently and at optimum conditions in my house. It just needs more real estate get it right.

So I'm going back to using the 300B at 8 wpc which runs my 2226's at 97.4 db/watt decently.

A future project using 2240 18" in a 4 cu ft cab tuned to 40hz crossed over to a 350hz tractix round wooden Edgarhorn @ 500hz (12db/oct L/R low pass - 18db/oct high pass) with a bullet tweeter and single oil cap crossed over at 20khz @ 6 db/oct to fill in the upper HF. At 99 db/watt efficiency will work nicely with the 8 wpc. I will post pics and full description/opinions when it is completed. I currently only have 3 coated of tung oil on the wood horns right now and hope to have 5 coats before they are pressed into service.

Sorry for hi-jacking this thread!

Regards, Ron