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JBL 4645
04-23-2008, 06:44 AM
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee15/Evolution3417/lake_processor_3.jpg


This is product that came out a short while ago and it’s being pushed on the AVForums UK as high end add on to any home cinema but the cost whew!


http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/specsheets/pa_sp_0601_Lake.pdf

Control
http://www.dolby.com/professional/live_sound/Products/lake_processor_control.html (http://www.dolby.com/professional/live_sound/Products/lake_processor_control.html)

Flexibility
http://www.dolby.com/professional/live_sound/Products/lake_processor_flexibility.html (http://www.dolby.com/professional/live_sound/Products/lake_processor_flexibility.html)

Benefits of the Dolby Lake
http://www.dolby.com/professional/live_sound/Products/lake_processor_benefits.html (http://www.dolby.com/professional/live_sound/Products/lake_processor_benefits.html)

noisy TV AES 121th Vol.3(w/BGM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7JrKzlKxGE

hjames
04-23-2008, 07:04 AM
If you are gonna play reporter, give ALL the info - what IS the cost??





http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee15/Evolution3417/lake_processor_3.jpg

1audiohack
04-23-2008, 07:34 AM
A review I read said MSRP 7k USD.

JBL 4645
04-23-2008, 12:48 PM
A review I read said MSRP 7k USD.

Well I did stick under Google Product UK and nothing, came up, not even picture. I read somewhere a last year and I knew it was in the several grand price mark, 7K that’s an awful lot!
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Well I did stick under Google Product UK and nothing, came up, not even picture. I read somewhere a last year and I knew it was in the several grand price mark, 7K that’s an awful lot!

Someone on the AVforum questioned why the Empire Leicester Square screen 1, doesn’t have them installed, and yet they are trying to flog these off into the home cinema market place some UK home cinema installer, LOL yeah right like that is going to sale like hotcakes!

I said the dbx4800 are the only ones installed not sure if I mentioned the price and how brilliant the dbx4800 are doing in the real world, performance wise!

I’d sooner if I had the money go with dbx4800, Dolby Lake is dreaming in Cuckoo-land if they think, they can flog these of home cinema in the UK. :screwy:

Go to the AVForums main page on the site where they mention the Dolby Lake, among other items as well in the short video that will have the Dolby Lake product, its right in front of you on the main page!
http://www.avforums.com/ (http://www.avforums.com/)

Mike Caldwell
04-23-2008, 05:37 PM
LAKE is one of the top end pro DSP units. You should see them in operation, the light show on the front panel alone is worth the price!!!!!

Mike Caldwell

JBL 4645
04-23-2008, 07:35 PM
LAKE is one of the top end pro DSP units. You should see them in operation, the light show on the front panel alone is worth the price!!!!!

Mike Caldwell

Mike

Hello

That’s one part I’m not too sure about it’s what’s inside it that counts. So is there anyone on this site that has his raked up on they’re home?

It’s like the ole saying goes you get what you pay for? I wonder how much does the light display cost.

Mike Caldwell
04-24-2008, 05:09 AM
They really are one of the best digital processing units available. They came be configured with various inputs and outputs by the cards that plug into the main frame. There is an earlier version, single rack space, not as fancy front panel, you can find them used for around a couple of thousand dollars.

Mike Caldwell

hjames
04-24-2008, 05:16 AM
Absurdo - I believe Bo and some other folks here have talked about working with these units in Pro audio locations - but - this is not home gear.

For home use, the simpler signal path is generally better.

(That means if you have a half-dozen Behringer pieces in your path the sound has been changed an awful lot!)

Mike Caldwell
04-24-2008, 05:49 AM
Heather's right, they are way overkill for home use I guess unless you have the worlds most elaborate home theater system. For home and in pro the simplest/cleanest signal path to get the job done is always the best.


Mike Caldwell

boputnam
04-24-2008, 11:06 AM
(... if you have a ... Behringer piece. in your path the sound has been changed .. awful ...!)Couldn't have said it better myself! :rotfl:

Mike Caldwell
04-24-2008, 11:26 AM
YES YES YES YES

Not only do they degrade the signal eventually they will break down and leave you with no signal....maybe actually be an improvement. A friend of mine who play bass put a Behringer comp is his rig thinking "how bad could it be for just bass guitar" after a short time he realized how bad it was!

Not only do I dislike Behringer for there quality or lack of but also for there business practices of outright coping anything product that is half way decent internally and externally. With a little searching you'll find various lawsuits against them for just that.

Mike Caldwell

JBL 4645
04-24-2008, 03:44 PM
They really are one of the best digital processing units available. They came be configured with various inputs and outputs by the cards that plug into the main frame. There is an earlier version, single rack space, not as fancy front panel, you can find them used for around a couple of thousand dollars.

Mike Caldwell

Mate, do you see money tree in back garden!? Well just pm me, if a few of them fall off the back end of lorry will you, cheers.:D

JBL 4645
04-24-2008, 03:49 PM
Absurdo - I believe Bo and some other folks here have talked about working with these units in Pro audio locations - but - this is not home gear.

For home use, the simpler signal path is generally better.

(That means if you have a half-dozen Behringer pieces in your path the sound has been changed an awful lot!)

LOL

Thatís funny you should say that Heather, check out this thread over on the UK forums, I think there on different page? LOL why on earth there implementing this into the home cinema community is beyond me at that price!

Yeah I bump into UK memberís everyday that have Dolby Lake in there living rooms.:D

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=743994 (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=743994)

Most of us in the community use a combination of professional and a few DCX2496, why there must be at least 6 or 8 members that use it. Yourself for example use JBL active crossover and so on, Iím not going to dispute that.

hjames
04-24-2008, 04:17 PM
Why would it be funny that I say that - all I have done is to biAmp, which basically frees up the woofer from being held back by the passive network.
To split my signal into hipass and low pass, I use an active crossover - Ashly brand, actually. Its an improvement over the older JBL/UREI crossover I used before. Is that digital gear? I think not.
No processors, no expanders, no compressors, nothing like that.

As my budget grows, I'll upgrade the existing gear with better pieces, but I don't plan to add more.


LOL

Thatís funny you should say that Heather, check out this thread over on the UK forums, I think there on different page? LOL why on earth there implementing this into the home cinema community is beyond me at that price!

Yeah I bump into UK memberís everyday that have Dolby Lake in there living rooms.:D

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=743994 (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=743994)

Most of us in the community use a combination of professional and a few DCX2496, why there must be at least 6 or 8 members that use it. Yourself for example use JBL active crossover and so on, Iím not going to dispute that.

JBL 4645
04-24-2008, 04:24 PM
Why would it be funny that I say that - all I have done is to biAmp, which basically frees up the woofer from being held back by the passive network.
To split my signal into hipass and low pass, I use an active crossover - Ashly brand, actually. Its an improvement over the older JBL/UREI crossover I used before. Is that digital gear? I think not.
No processors, no expanders, no compressors, nothing like that.

As my budget grows, I'll upgrade the existing gear with better pieces, but I don't plan to add more.

So you’ve being slyly switching it all around this time.:D LOL you feisty you little kitten. I personally think yesterday’s technology is a good thing otherwise it wouldn’t have been invented in the first place.

I would have liked to have the dosh to get that THX 3417 crossover/monitor last year, just plain broke at the time.

I guess ten years from now when the prices have lowered well be adding dbx4800 in the room in huge stacks!:D

And 20 to 30 years before we can add Dolby Lake, I mean at the price it sales for, astronomical!:D

johnaec
04-24-2008, 05:03 PM
And 20 to 30 years before we can add Dolby Lake, I mean at the price it sales for, astronomical!And ya' know what's funny? While everyone's currently saying it's the ultimate in sound, in 20-30 years, when new stuff is out, they'll all be saying the Dolby sounds like garbage... :p 'Seems to be the way all the latest/greatest goes.

John

JBL 4645
04-24-2008, 06:57 PM
John

Iím not saying itís the Pits! I havenít even heard in the real world of high end PA. Someone commented is, it being used in the Empire and I said, no. LOL now doesnít that strike you a bit odd?:hmm:

I wonder how many studios use dbx4800 or Dolby Lake.

johnaec
04-25-2008, 06:45 AM
I’m not saying it’s the Pits!I'm not either - I'd love to have one! I was just commenting on the fact that today's "audio nirvana" is often considered tomorrow's "garbage"... 'Funny how that goes...and the opposite often happens. Look at how many tube amps that were later considered "garbage" and were replaced by the latest SS stuff. Many of these "garbage" tube amps are now highly sought after.

John

JBL 4645
04-25-2008, 01:33 PM
I'm not either - I'd love to have one! I was just commenting on the fact that today's "audio nirvana" is often considered tomorrow's "garbage"... 'Funny how that goes...and the opposite often happens. Look at how many tube amps that were later considered "garbage" and were replaced by the latest SS stuff. Many of these "garbage" tube amps are now highly sought after.

John

Yeah I follow you. I donít need to say Audyssey, oh, Iíve already said it, I still havenít heard this device and even when the salesmen wasnít too interested in showing me how it works first hand, should I mention the Hi-Fi store??:D

Tim Rinkerman
10-04-2008, 09:06 AM
We have sold 12 Lakes to the casino's around here, and a live engineer I work with here bought his own personal one. I have heard and toyed with them a bit, not enough to touch every parameter that they are capable of....they of course, are incredibly transparent, especially considering how much you can modify the signal path...I think one of it's most unique features is being able to have different slope shapes on either side of an EQ point or crossover point. Routing,delay, and crossover possibilities are way over the top for any casual user, but it completely replaces about 22 rack spaces of conventional gear that isn't capable of doing as much. I'd have to ask the front office, but I believe they cost about $4500.00 US.

Tim Rinkerman
10-07-2008, 09:22 AM
Lake update.....discontinued....no longer produced. Dolby will support repairs for now...no telling how long.

boputnam
10-07-2008, 07:41 PM
Lake update.....discontinued....no longer produced. Dolby will support repairs for now...no telling how long.That there really pisses me off.

I am involved in refurbishing a historically significant club in Marin. There was significant pressure to go with the Dolby Lake. To me, it was not user friendly (unnecessarily complex) and very pricey. After much deliberation (because of my respect for the protagonist...), I instead opted for their major competitor the xta 448 (http://www.xta.uk.com/products-series4.html). I own a few of these and run into them in the better systems I engineer at festivals and better clubs. The xta 4-series are phenomenally powerful units, and the AudioCore software is YIKES! impressive.

Lucky me. Damned glad I made the right choice...

(You too - vote!)

Ken Pachkowsky
03-10-2009, 05:58 PM
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24321

What do you think Bo? This is the Clair Brothers version.....

Ken

boputnam
03-10-2009, 07:11 PM
Ken, I don't know the differences / advantages with the "Clair Bros. version", but I think I know this unit, stock. I believe it is the same / nearly same iteration used at Great American Music Hall (http://www.gamh.com/) in San Francisco, a hall I'm lucky to have worked many times.

2 in, 6 out - would that be enough? Aren't your new Westlakes 4-ways? :dont-know

These are very powerful units and support a laptop control interface. Both GEQ and PEQ's are available, as well as delay, relative gain, etc. Frankly, there is nothing you can't do (ooh... double negative!) with these. They sound great in SR applications - I have never heard (nor know of) them in audiophile apps.

Oldmics - you out there? Do you know what differences there might be with the Clair version?

Mike Caldwell
03-10-2009, 07:19 PM
The amp company Lab Gruppen has taken over Lake and will be releasing a new stand alone Lake/Lab Gruppen DSP. Their latest series of amps has the Lake DSP built in.....Very cool, very expensive!
No idea on service and support of the older units though.
http://labgruppen.com/index.php

Ken Pachkowsky
03-10-2009, 08:11 PM
2 in, 6 out - would that be enough? Aren't your new Westlakes 4-ways? :dont-know

Oldmics - you out there? Do you know what differences there might be with the Clair version?

Yep, I need 2 of them.

Ken

Andyoz
03-11-2009, 11:21 AM
The amp company Lab Gruppen has taken over Lake and will be releasing a new stand alone Lake/Lab Gruppen DSP. Their latest series of amps has the Lake DSP built in.....Very cool, very expensive!
No idea on service and support of the older units though.
http://labgruppen.com/index.php

I heard a rumour about that takeover about a year ago.

I assume Lake knew the writing was on the wall when the trend for amps incorporating DSP started a few years back. Clever move by Lab Gruppen though, they really are rock solid market leaders now. :)

JBL 4645
03-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Seen their name credited on the end credits of U2 Rattle and Hum region 2 DVD.

Found this interesting video on youtube about The Clair Brothers, history.

2008 Parnellis- Clair Brothers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBczma9C6l0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBczma9C6l0)

Ken Pachkowsky
03-11-2009, 04:19 PM
That was an interesting 5 minutes.

Ken

Mike Caldwell
03-11-2009, 05:17 PM
I have been to their facility........it is unbelievable!

JBL 4645
03-11-2009, 07:35 PM
I have been to their facility........it is unbelievable!

I bet they have enough audio equipment to sink a battleship.
:applaud: