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cooky1257
03-18-2008, 03:54 PM
Hi all,
On purely aesthetic grounds I quite like the look of the crystal phase plug I've seen in some 2405's.
Can anyone tell me if this item available as a spare?
Thanks
Cooky

grumpy
03-18-2008, 04:20 PM
...that would be the consumer-line version, "077", which has not been mfg'd for
quite some time... (I'd think "no", would be an appropriate answer). I'd also think
they wouldn't be hard to make from acrylic/plexiglas rod. :dont-know

cooky1257
03-18-2008, 04:32 PM
Thanks Grumpy,
I was toying with making a mold of a spare black one I have and casting in polyurethane resin if I couldn't source genuine ones but plexglass rod sounds even better idea.
I also realise that great care must be taken if tinkering around in this way so as not to damage the ring dia-maybe best left alone:blink:....

subwoof
03-18-2008, 08:46 PM
Do you actually think you can machine the compound angles, shoulders and multiple outside contours out of an acrylic rod??? The originals were cast and had a machined aluminum center piece added ( that often broke off when tightened ).

Here is a picture of the underside of the aluminum 2405 and acrylic 077 phase plugs ( not available anymore )

The tolerances on these are very critical and if you manage to make the acrylic ones cheap, you will own a small country from the sales...

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cooky1257
03-18-2008, 11:48 PM
And that, judging by the pic is a whole book of '2 cents worth:D
So casting and a bit of Lathe action then?

grumpy
03-19-2008, 11:29 AM
seems like a patternmaker's problem, ... perhaps "wouldn't be hard" wasn't the
best choice of words, but very doable. Kind of like making L91 type lenses is "easy"
technically, once you have the pattern, angle, spacing, materials, tools, experience,
and time. I doubt anyone would make $$$ doing this... more a labor of love. :)

-grumpy

edgewound
03-19-2008, 01:26 PM
I bet there's a shop somewhere in China that could knock out 10,000/day

subwoof
03-19-2008, 02:40 PM
There was a guy who sold clones somewhere in the mid-atlantic region...

I lost a hard drive 2 years ago with all that info. I think his bevels underneath were a bit off but at 80 dollars a pair, possibly worth the effort to rework. I bought a pair but don't remember selling them. If they are in the basement shop it's gonna take an Indiana Jones effort to find them.

All we need to do is put a few pair on ebay and rig the bidding up to 1000 or so to "announce" that they are candidates for cloning.

And while you're at it, those pesky lens too....:)

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cooky1257
03-19-2008, 03:07 PM
There was a guy who sold clones somewhere in the mid-atlantic region...

I lost a hard drive 2 years ago with all that info. I think his bevels underneath were a bit off but at 80 dollars a pair, possibly worth the effort to rework. I bought a pair but don't remember selling them. If they are in the basement shop it's gonna take an Indiana Jones effort to find them.

All we need to do is put a few pair on ebay and rig the bidding up to 1000 or so to "announce" that they are candidates for cloning.

And while you're at it, those pesky lens too....:)

sub
Pure genius.:applaud:

Integrexman
03-25-2008, 08:47 PM
I just fix a pair of 2405's that were damaged in shipping and replaced the diaphragms. I could easily duplicate the aluminum plugs and make them from any plastic people wanted. I really don't want to take my 2405's back apart if someone has a extra aluminum plug they can sell me I will start making them.

http://integrexmachinist.com/PicWeek/Integrexman/MillTurn2.mpg

John
03-25-2008, 11:32 PM
I bet there's a shop somewhere in China that could knock out 10,000/day

Uh Huh.:banghead:

And most likely for pennies per unit.

Mr. Widget
03-25-2008, 11:56 PM
There was a guy who sold clones somewhere in the mid-atlantic region...Yep. He was selling them on ebay for $80 a pair and claimed "that people thought his clones sounded even better than the original." Yeah, right.

I bought the pair of originals that he used to make his copies from. He charged me $80 for the pair and I was happy to pay it for a pair of original JBLs. Unless the copier had quite a pedigree, I doubt I'd pay for a pair of copies. As has been pointed out above, the tolerances are just too critical and I am not into horseshoes when it comes to my audio.

I haven't seen him on ebay in years.


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Integrexman
03-29-2008, 01:14 PM
Can you buy the aluminum phase plugs from JBL?

Mr. Widget
03-29-2008, 02:33 PM
Can you buy the aluminum phase plugs from JBL?A few years ago you could still get them, but recently I was told that they are NLA. :(

Most of the interesting JBL stuff is NLA... well except for some new stuff that is NRA (Not Really Available)


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