2245H recone done right?

[jdelange]

Purchased a reconed 2245H on Ebay. Noticed in some cases they seem to be (white) coated on the back side. This one is not. Cone feels a bit thin?

Can anyone of you experts tell me - based on pictures attached - if the recone was done right? Is it a genuine JBL recone?

Intended purpose: B460 clone.

Thanks, Jan

[schloerch]

Hi Jan;

don't worry! only the older series of the 2245H's had the, so called, white aquaplas coting on the backside. there is absolutely nothing wrong with your woofer; if you'd buy a brand new 2245H today it would look exactly like yours.

[pos]

The old cones are black on the front and white aquaplas on the back. The new ones are grey on the front and black aquaplas on the back.
This one looks like it has no aquaplas on the back (looks too thin and smooth).
If it was a recent recone it would be grey on the front, wheras this one looks like the old ones.
Could it be a 2240 cone with the cloth surround replaced with a foam one?
The fact that the faceplate is missing could be a sign of such a thing.

[Guido]

I'm sorry for you.

This is sure an aftermarket recone.

The real 2245 cone is more grey, has much less ribs and has a thick aquaplas coat on the back.

See here:
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=160220&postcount=25

Why don't you guys just ask an expert before you buy. I sell REAL 2245 freshly originally reconed. Currently 4 are in stock.
And the best thing is: You pay less than for this one plus the recone that is now necessary.

[richluvsound]

That aint real, Sorry ! I think this one is :D If not, I'm getting the next flight to Frankurt to have words with Guido !

[jdelange]

I'm sorry for you.

This is sure an aftermarket recone.

The real 2245 cone is more grey, has much less ribs and has a thick aquaplas coat on the back.

See here:
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=160220&postcount=25

Why don't you guys just ask an expert before you buy. I sell REAL 2245 freshly originally reconed. Currently 4 are in stock.
And the best thing is: You pay less than for this one plus the recone that is now necessary.

Yep, looks like you're right (attached). Hope that this is of help to others as well. There is at least one post that suggests it could be.

There indeed is no aquaplas coat on the back which implies that it's a completely different unit, and actually useless.

Why don't we ask? Because I was not aware yours are available. Also, because I'd like to believe one can trust fellow JBL owners / enthausiasts.

Jan

[Guido]

Why don't we ask? Because I was not aware yours are available. Also, because I'd like to believe one can trust fellow JBL owners / enthausiasts. Jan

Yes, but be honest. It's the "ebay kick". The chance to get something really cheap.

A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro. The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro. So a complete unit can't be less than 400 unless something is wrong.

[rs237]

There are two different versions of the 2245th Look here :

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10490&page=5&highlight=4345

The Voice Coil Wires never sit in the ribs of the membranes.

regards
jueregen

[jdelange]

Yes, but be honest. It's the "ebay kick". The chance to get something really cheap.

A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro. The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro. So a complete unit can't be less than 400 unless something is wrong.

Not all that is not expensive is obviously bad on Ebay (do add shipment, customs and taxes to Europe):

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270209069512&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=017

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270208877827&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017

So, are you selling at 400 Euro / speaker?

[jdelange]

There are two different versions of the 2245th Look here :

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10490&page=5&highlight=4345

The Voice Coil Wires never sit in the ribs of the membranes.

regards
jueregen

So the number of ribs may not be deciding, but the absence of an aquaplas coat on the back surely is.

It would also be strange to get a recone in 2007 with a cone from the 80's...

Coil wires in the ribs may be due to improper workmanship.

[Earl K]

I thought we discussed this before - your ( re; R Bearsdley) cone is aftermarket.
http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=7576&stc=1&d=1116179579

pmakres1's cone looks like the original Hawley cone.

http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=7582&stc=1&d=1116183552

Here's Bo's (Hawley) :
http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=7585&stc=1&d=1116184576

And Mike's (Mogami):
http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=7586&stc=1&d=1116184712

All of the above is from this thread on the internal dimensions of 2245h cones . (http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55069&highlight=2245h+ribs#post55069)


Jan, the only way to tell what you really have , is to have someone run a full set of TS parameters on your woofer.


So the number of ribs may not be deciding, but the absence of an aquaplas coat on the back surely is.

- Yes, as you've acknowledged, without the presence of an aquaplas coating ( black or white ) on the cones' backside , what you have is not a bonafide 2245h cone assembly .

- You may have a customized 2240 ( as suggested above ) that someone has created by replacing the linen surround with a foam type surround / OTOH, you might have an aftermarket kit that uses the original Hawley type cone with some generic voice-coil ( ie; & "that coil" would most likely "wrong" in all the electrical values that count ) .

- Without full TS parameters for spec comparisons / one just doesn't know these days what one is "looking at" .

:)

[cooky1257]

Yes, but be honest. It's the "ebay kick". The chance to get something really cheap.

A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro. The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro. So a complete unit can't be less than 400 unless something is wrong.

Guido, FWIW The US list price of a genuine 2245 recone (Orange County)is $237 compared with $610 in europe.
Is it any wonder people look for eBay bargains rather than suffer JBL Europe's 150% mark ups?
IMHO JBL should look after their european customers instead of robbing them blind...

[edgewound]

Before you blame Harman on the prices of genuine JBL parts you might look to your own tariff/tax man. Can you say "protectionism"?

Most everything shipped to Europe from the USA is waaaay more expensive than here.

But to stay on topic...this 2245H recone is bogus...good eye, Guido.

Another clue is the tinsel leads on the real thing are currently copper.

[Robh3606]

Before you blame Harman on the prices of genuine JBL parts you might look to your own tariff/tax man. Can you say "protectionism"?


Yeah and the real kicker is with the strength of the Euro it should the the other way round.

Rob:)

[cooky1257]

[QUOTE=edgewound;203569]Before you blame Harman on the prices of genuine JBL parts you might look to your own tariff/tax man. Can you say "protectionism"?

Most everything shipped to Europe from the USA is waaaay more expensive than here.

According to US and EU customs the tariff applied to loudspeaker imports is a mutual 4.5%. Add to that our wonderful VAT tax at 17.5 % still leaves us a long way off 160%. So no, you can't say 'protectionism'.
It'd be good if rather than blithely blame it on 'protectionism':blink:,someone from Harman could step up and explain the price difference.
Back on topic;
Isn't there a way for genuine JBL parts to be watermarked/stamped, anything to ensure provenance?

[edgewound]

According to US and EU customs the tariff applied to loudspeaker imports is a mutual 4.5%. Add to that our wonderful VAT tax at 17.5 % still leaves us a long way off 160%. So no, you can't say 'protectionism'.
It'd be good if rather than blithely blame it on 'protectionism':blink:,someone from Harman could step up and explain the price difference.
Back on topic;
Isn't there a way for genuine JBL parts to be watermarked/stamped, anything to ensure provenance?


Sorry if I struck a nerve on taxation....It's not my intention to start an argument. It's just been my experience with European customers that end up paying nearly double or more after all taxes, levies, etc.

Your local distributor sets the prices, and some distributors are a division of Harman, some are not. Here is a link to all International distributors. You could contact yours and voice your dismay:

http://www.jblpro.com/pages/contacts/intleuro.htm

Back on topic. Just like anything else, it takes an educated eye to know what is genuine and what is not...."Pssst....Hey, buddy....wanna buy a Rolex for cheap?"

[John]

Not sure why the experts never mentioned the non JBL markings on the back of that bogus cone kit, Wake up guys!!!;)

Also I suspect the price difference in Europe is simply because they can get it.:(

American Drug companies sell the same drugs to Americans at higher prices compared to Canadians because they can. :(

We have tour buses full of Americans coming across just to buy Drugs in Canada.

[cooky1257]

We have tour buses full of Americans coming across just to buy Drugs in Canada.

And to think, back in the sixties it was the other way round:D
@Edge'
Educated eye indeed; It's thanks to reading this forum I'm a lot more wary and now would
check with you guys before buying anything JBL(bargain price or not).

[Guido]

Guido, FWIW The US list price of a genuine 2245 recone (Orange County)is $237 compared with $610 in europe.
Is it any wonder people look for eBay bargains rather than suffer JBL Europe's 150% mark ups?
IMHO JBL should look after their european customers instead of robbing them blind...

Wrong! I wrote AT LEAST 610 USD (400 Euro) for a complete fresh 2245! Not just a recone.

If you add shipping and all taxes you have to pay officially than the bargains aren't bargains any longer.
Don't tell me shipping to and from USA plus recone plus the problems with the customs plus the risk of a damaged speaker justify a recone in USA. NEVER!
But we are free individuals and can ship our speakers everywhere.

I have no idea what this wrong 2245 did cost on epay. What's sure is that if you add the ebay price of this wrong unit and the recone price (US or Germany) you will end up with more than 400 Euro.
YEP!

[cooky1257]

Wrong! I wrote AT LEAST 610 USD (400 Euro) for a complete fresh 2245! Not just a recone.



Guido, Erm, there seems to be some confusion, the post I refered to was below....

"A real 2245 fresh recone need to cost around 400 Euro.
The official price for the cone kit here in Germany is 280 Euro."

Your points regarding not sending stuff for recone in the US certainly makes sense and goes some way to explaining the european prices-namely they have us by the balls.