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badman
02-27-2008, 12:12 PM
Hi:

New user got interested in vintage JBL 12"s, and picked up a minty set of 123As and a set of 122As needing foam.

Right now I'm working on a design with the 123A woofer and a 3" midtweet, series first order XO at 500 specs out really nicely (well damped Fs for the mid/tweet due to series XO), and should be a good balance between divers. The 123A having the powerful motor and low Fs but higher Qts makes it well suited to a modest size Open Baffle, a use not widely explored with JBL drivers. The huge Vas of these monster AlNiCo motors (the 122A is even more powerful with a lower Fs but too damped for this purpose).

Anyway, hello all!

Zilch
02-27-2008, 02:51 PM
Look also to how 123A performs closed-box.... :yes:

badman
02-27-2008, 04:37 PM
The closed box usage is great, except for one thing: It needs to be huge! Even a max flat alignment (which is higher Qtc than I like to shoot for) is 8 ft^3! One could, of course, go to an aperiodic box and save SOME of the volume, but it's still gonna be pretty serious in terms of size.

My sims, with the driver low down on a wide but short baffle (tilted back) show pretty impressive low frequency extension - f6 around 28 (with room interaction of course).

Not too shabby! There's of course the potential for excessive excursion, with the woofer having no enclosure based damping, and such a low Fs (for this type of app, anyway), but I don't need 110dB @ 20Hz from a speaker like this.

This limited excursion ability will probably show up in the midrange as well, when this unit starts getting towards the end of its abilities, and the power throughput needs to be lowish anyway due to the AlNiCo motor.

Should be a fun game to play :) :bouncy:

Zilch
02-28-2008, 02:30 AM
BB6P suggested closed-box alignment for 123A with Qtc = 0.707 is 3.22 cuft.

With heavy fill:

F3 = 45.33 Hz

F10 = 25.99 Hz


For 2213H (123A-3) it's a bit better in an even smaller box, 2.246 cuft.

F3 = 43.96 Hz

F10 = 25.50 Hz

badman
02-28-2008, 11:02 AM
BB6P suggested closed-box alignment for 123A with Qtc = 0.707 is 3.22 cuft.


"Bass Box 6 Pro" is what you're referring to I assume? I mathed it out in my head at first, but several other calculators including winISD Pro calc a max flat volume of 8ft^3. What Vas value are you using for the 123A? I'm using 235L.

Zilch
02-28-2008, 01:01 PM
BB6P uses 235 L per the JBL spec.

A9X
03-13-2008, 10:19 AM
Some suggestions.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JBL_L100.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/download/IBL.pdf

badman
03-13-2008, 03:23 PM
Some suggestions.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JBL_L100.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/download/IBL.pdf

Thanks, I'd seen them, and they seem great, but I am going in a different direction: I am doing a 2 way open baffle with the 123A and fostex ff85k with a first order series XO @ 500Hz. It's a very squat baffle a la JE labs but has an angled edge and some other features that make the design fairly different than theirs. The woofer is at floor level, the midtweeter just above it, the baffle tilted about 15 degrees to aim the midtweet towards the listener.

Sims say some very nice things about it. Too much bass.... possibly... wonderful problem to have with a compact open baffle :D

duaneage
03-13-2008, 07:31 PM
Here is a suggestion.

The 119-Hs woofer used in the Control10 has remarkable similar specs to the 123 and 2123 but is newer. Control 10 systems go for less money on the bay too. I tested a pair of these and built boxes around them. Modern day 123A for sure.

Zilch
03-14-2008, 10:52 AM
The 119-Hs woofer used in the Control10 has remarkable similar specs to the 123 and 2123 but is newer.Help me now: in what respect(s) would 123A-x and 2123H be "similar?" :dont-know

4313B
03-14-2008, 11:04 AM
Help me now: in what respect(s) would 123A-x and 2123H be "similar?" :dont-knowThey both have a 3" diameter voice coil.

Do I win anything?

Zilch
03-14-2008, 11:33 AM
Do I win anything?Sure, one of those voice coils:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21558&stc=1&d=1166916062

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21559&stc=1&d=1166916095


Seems like it'd be tough to max out a 2213H, but OB with LF assist might be one suitable recipe.... :yes:

4313B
03-14-2008, 11:39 AM
Seems like it'd be tough to max out a 2213H, but OB with LF assist might be one suitable recipe.... :yes:People are just no damn good... :dont-know

duaneage
03-14-2008, 10:06 PM
Help me now: in what respect(s) would 123A-x and 2123H be "similar?" :dont-know
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