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JBL 4645
10-15-2007, 07:16 AM

They’re here.

Another pleasing dish or disc that I saw on my walkabout this morning was “Poltergeist” so this will be playing on the JBL sound system, here this week knock on wood as I’m a little strapped for dosh at the moment.


“Poltergeist” played exclusively in 70mm Dolby stereo and I hope the re-mastering of the Dolby film mix lives up to high standards and that they keep to the original mix as it was so great sounded along with (Jerry Goldsmith’s) chilling score.

There was plenty of region 2 discs on the shelves so I don’t see it disappearing I’ll be patient until Wednesday.

JBL 4645
10-17-2007, 08:09 AM
Well I’ve viewed it head it and felt it and I can’t fault this one in any department its, sound. Some re-mixes that often turn up on DVD yes, are really naff, but this one is perfect throughout the running time. The opening starts off with the national anthem, that played over all channels and then fades into the centre channel with isolated discreteness on the rest of the channels, cool.

Dialogue panning of “Coral Anne” over to the front right channel well the centre is free in the Dolby 5.1 mix, the Dolby 4.2.4 mix common to crosstalk has part of child’s yelling, its also head on the monaural surround. So no there wasn’t any fault. Chapter 10 has a few bumps and rumblings that occasionally come in on the LFE.1 to add a little support. Most of the rumblings was coming from the matching three-screen JBL control 5 and 1 arrays that is set-up in the active crossover mode performed marvellously even at moderate high sound pressure levels, tornado sound effects and other ghostly sounds in the children’s bedroom. Toys and other items being sucked into the other world…

Image framed at 2.40:1 exhibited a slight loss around 15% on the Toshiba CRT, TV monitor, I noticed the loss when I compared the screen capture taken from the pc DVD-Rom player. Only a good video projector would be a final solution, something I’ll have to wait for at a later time.











JBL 4645
10-17-2007, 01:38 PM
After going over it and over there’s nothing wrong with this sequence with “Coral Anne” getting pulled into the other side between this world and ghostly world. Lots of rumbling going on outside the house with the tornado, while in the bedroom all hell is being unleashed! My heart goes out for (Heather O'Rourke) for that loud (screen scream) what a scream chocks me up the last scream does has she clings on for dear life but the suction force is just too great…






The strings and mild percussion choir voices orchestrate a wild cinematic sequence, has she desperately screams out for her mommy and no longer able to hold on to the bed, she’s whisked away into the other.



37 miniutes.11 seconds a nice deep rolling wave of LFE.1 support sucks “Carol Anne” into the closet!




With a few beds bumping around on the floor and against the closet door “Carol Anne’s” now on the other side with no way of getting back?

JBL 4645
10-18-2007, 04:53 AM
Note: The surround effects on the Dolby stereo 4.2.4 mix are faint sounding when compared to the Dolby six-track version.


When “Freeling” opens the child’s bedroom door the first sounds that appear is distant on the monaural surrounds, the sound of some cogs winding around as the camera gets near and then shows the POV the monaural surrounds go mute for short duration, this is normal in six-track mixes.



POV shot


monaural surrounds still muted


As the bedside lamp pulls away there’s a sound of moving towards the fronts from the (monaural surrounds) the Hulk on a hoarse it then later pulls away from the paranormal investigators.

Then goes mute for a brief moment until a book appears flapping and the pages in front of the investigators, while they look in total amazement at what is happening in the room.



A compass creates a threatening moment as it heads straight towards “Dr. Lesh” startled she covers her face!


If you listen real hard, you’ll here a (Tie-fighter) flying around the room amongst the cacophony of assorted sounds overlapping one another. Look to the left and side se the (Tie-fighter) slightly above the record!

JBL 4645
10-18-2007, 04:54 AM

The monaural surrounds then go mute, while in Dolby stereo 4.2.4 this would be constant due to the crosstalk from fronts left and right and centre channel.


Well that was a rather short but exhausting post, time for a cup of tea now.:D

JBL 4645
10-29-2007, 06:10 PM

I think I would have enjoyed this more at the Empire Leicester square in THX rather than Transformers. The plot is computer (http://hometheaterhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31766#) hacking and a few young recruits have been hired by “Thomas Gabriel” (Timothy Olyphant) who is now bumping off all possible traceable links. Now there’s only a few left. When Det. John McClane (Bruce Willis) is called to bring a hacker “Matthew Farrell” played by (Justin Long) in for questioning by the FBI all hell breaks lose at the apartment with rapped machinegun fire explosions and lots of body punches, you know your in for a good few hours of popcorn fun. :bouncy:


Sound (http://hometheaterhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31766#) splendidly blended along clear dialogue sound effects and music (http://hometheaterhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31766#) that sonically roared with riveting pulsating jolt that was also comfortable even at 85dbA while lows slammed kicked and dropped down with depth at 110dbc, when call for.


This is DIE HARD reference benchmark martial for Andy Nelson and Anna Behlmer, possible academy award nomination for sound and sound effects editing, for next year. The bonus disc 2 “Aanlog hero in the digital (http://hometheaterhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31766#) world making of LIVE FREE DIE HARD” shows how the film was put together, I think Len Wiseman did a terrific job lots and lots of action to wet all DIE HARD fans aperture whether its stunts model work pyrotechnics photograph (http://hometheaterhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31766#) or sound there’s enough here to last many topics.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337978/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337978/fullcredits#cast)


JBL 4645
10-30-2007, 12:13 PM
The car scene chapter 15 and 16 is wildly aggressive with jolts kicks and slamming into concrete. When a car swerves to one side, when all of a suddenly its thrown into midair and heading towards McClane and Farrell, the overall scene quickly drops down to a sonic rolling depth of 25Hz @120dbc on the LFE.1 where some parts of low end was reproduced via the second sub bass for screen and surround low end extension.

After hearing and feeling Transformers at the Empire Leicester square where one of the transformers rolls though midair where sound goes dull for a few seconds where the LFE.1 low end pressure builds up, practically pressing on you and vibrating the seating. I think I would have enjoyed DIE HARD more than Transformers at the Empire, anyway this is the test that I’ll be using when Transformers goes on region 2 DVD realise in December 3rd.










JBL 4645
10-30-2007, 12:15 PM
One of the best sounding Dolby mixes I’ve heard so far this year for an action adventure and only JBL make its sound good. :applaud:





JBL 4645
11-01-2007, 11:10 PM

"Why don’t you just walk outside the door?"

"I will. I’m gonna walk out of that door when I’m good and ready."

Brought this was told it was cool and cool it and it was with a clever twist It’s the perfect bank heist, planed to perfection with a all around good performances Denzel Washington, Clive Owen, Jodie Foster, head the cast.

Highly recommended this Spike Lee Joint film nicely paced a good evening’s entertainment, with a cleverly formed twist at the end which even fooled me with a cheerful smile.

Sound was cool even with dynamic range compression turned on because it was rather late but I’ll give this a second viewing over the weekend at 0db THX reference level. Dialogue sound effects and music remained well balanced throughout, surrounds simply provided atmospheric effect while most of the action was up front.





JBL 4645
11-18-2007, 11:08 AM
Well besides raining cats and dogs outside here in sunny Bournemouth today, I braved the elements of force blustery winds to search for “Who’s that Girl” Dolby 5.1 £10.00 not one single store around this dismal town. Will I did manage to order it for a home delivery should be playing here this week coming up.

I also picked up a few other bountiful of goody items The Piano“ Dolby 5.1 £5.00 and the Rambo trilogy unfortunately each film is only in Dolby stereo but that shouldn’t diminish the show. This country is still awaiting Dolby 5.1 version which went on sale in the US about 18 or so mouths ago.

Anyway just warming up the home cinema with some Madonna at the moment then I’ll analyze the Dolby film mixes over.




JBL 4645
11-21-2007, 01:23 AM

The Piano, this is the second viewing of this award winning film since I first was it back in 1992. set in 1850 when a lady and her child move to New Zealand so that she can marry a wealthy landowner. It’s a strange ole film and the nice settings on the beach when Ada (Holy hunter) and her daughter, Flora (Anna Paquin) are both enjoying themselves, it’s a kind of an iconic moment and musical sound of the piano is loud.


The DVD states on the back cover, (feature, digitally restored and re-mastered) the image looks wonderfully sharp and clear, but there’s only one issue I have and that is the Dolby 5.1 mix. Originally it was realised in Dolby stereo, [SR] type I’m guessing due to the year.


I’ll start with the fronts LCR, was a strange sounding and it’s the first time I’ve encounter some parts of the centralized mix wonder off to left and right, thou the (levels are several db down ) the centre channel does focus the sound effects and music but its most the dialogue, where we take it for grated in a Dolby 5.1 mix, that everything will perfectly isolated and discrete.


I used a few (home cinema techniques) to minimize this distraction with the use of Dolby pro-logic decoder plugged in line between left and right and used the pro-logic mode to reduce the level of wondering dialogue on left and right. At the same time I can send part of the phantom centre channel and (piggyback) it onto the centre channel. If one was to listen, they would no what I did, to make it sound just a little bit better.

The surrounds where monaural but discrete from interference form the fronts. At times they had a weird tendency, to be just a little bit loud and with all channel being (set-up with wideband pink noise) SPL db and RTA microphone, the surround mix can get a bit loud particularly on the end credits where it can literally overwhelm the fronts! So a few changes where made with the use of (surround fader) helped to clam the surrounds down.

Music by Michael Nyman is memorable as you can find this tune on (Youtube) which is one of the reasons why I hunted down the DVD in the first place.


LFE.1 sounded and felt a little artifice as if it was filtered from the fronts and just added to the mix for dramatic enhancement, still it was quite entertaining to watch over again it could have been worse with, VHS PAL.

There is an audio commentary session with Jane Champion and Jan Campman this is a single disc version while the 2 disc DVD contains more extras.

In a word it sounded delightful on the JBL sound system.

11-21-2007, 07:52 AM
hi 4645;

how did you get those widescreen pictures to come out so well? are those digital camera pictures of your tv or did you grab them from your pc?

JBL 4645
11-22-2007, 12:40 AM
Morning DanMan :)

I view the film over on the (CRT TV monitor) at first then take the film to the (pc for screen capturing) and select the scene that trilled me to bits, or what ever it may be.

11-22-2007, 10:23 AM
thanks for the info. looks like yet another advantage to using a mac :)

11-22-2007, 10:38 AM
thanks for the info. looks like yet another advantage to using a mac :)
PowerMac screen captures shown here (from DivX downloads via BT) (http://http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=173280&postcount=31)

JBL 4645
11-24-2007, 09:00 AM
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Based on the French film by Luc Besson La Femme Nikita 1990 about a hired assassin, this remake direcated by John Badman Dracula and Wargams brings this version a harder update with all the gripping suspense to the final conclusion. Starring Bridget Fonda, as Maggie, a troubled girl with a murderous killer instinct and a bad habit has been ordered to be injected with a lethal ignition.


When awaking in a strange room, the door opens and enters Gabriel Byrne, as Bob a government recruiting agent who soil purpose is to have Maggie trained has for special operations. Bob gives Maggie, a choice from which where there is no turning back too, work for us an assassin or the alternative will be a bullet to the head!


Image: Looking slightly pale which has nothing to do with the age of the film, but more so the DVD authoring transfer, I would welcome a fresher transfer when Warner
Bros ever get around to doing it, or a simple special edition would suffice.

I’m Victor. I’m the cleaner.
Victor the cleaner, The Assassin 1993

Framed in the scope 2.35:1 aspect ratio, chapter 25, the cleaner, when Victor played by Harvey Ketel, arrives at the hotels interior entrance looked has if it had fog filter placed over the lens. The exterior shots where the cleaner uses some rather unsound methods to dispose body parts down to the nap! Was brightly lit, Bridget face looked so beautifully elegant under the natural light, “Je$u$ Chr!$t!” “What are you doing?” the green leaves in the background slightly out of focus and the palm trees behind Victor looked good as well.


The pastel blue sky in chapter 12, Venice California, there’s lots of street life activities going on and lots of bright colours of graffiti art work on the sides of buildings stood out very well.

Sound: As Bob, c0cks, back the slide of the pistol and with the sound effect aimed directly towards the centre channel leaving the LFE.1 inactive it this point, you can never tell where the lows are going to come from!


“Rule number one: Never chamber the first round.” That’ll slow you down for a while…
…“Maggie for Margaret.”
Bob, the Assassin 1993

Weaponry sound effects in the underground of this secret government covet organisation, was fairly punchy with recoil being produced via the LFE.1, and milder low frequency sounds covering the three-screen!

Nina Simone: Birds flying high, and the low level ambient sound of the ocean with a seagulls flying around sound very warm along with the gentle breeze air blowing in though the open bay doors looking outwards over the ocean bay.

The slow but rapped hotel explosion blasting out the top floor in a fiery blitz of destructive force comes in at around 111dbc weighting, as Maggie, opens the drivers side window and realizing what she’s just done is somewhat shocked at the world she’s in! As the sound pans over to the split-surrounds where Maggie, is looking up to the rumbling sound roars with a sonic sting of violas and violins and some heavy precision.

The assassination which takes place from the bathroom that overlooks a street, has a high level of score that builds up too a very tight tension, where Maggie, almost never goes though with the assassination! Dialogue that raises over the radios headset, is nervous not knowing who’s on the other end, “The Woman in white.” As the score gets higher in level, and as Maggie, tries to concentrate on the target "The woman in white I said.” with three muffled shots under the high raised score, and the target falling to the ground with a lot of confused people on the opposite side of the road, with the piano and some synthesized instruments that slowly ends the scene at 100dbc with a sick feeling to the gut.

“I mean it!” I’m though I’m out!”
Maggie, The Assassin 1993

With the tables starting to turn, Maggie, is showing weak signs, and the level of loud dialogue in Bob’s office reaches 82dbc, without any distortion what so ever. The low thundering that rumbles beneath the scene in Bob’s office shows just what kind of person he really is, and Maggie’s heart sinks with disbelief as tears flow from her eyes, she’s got no choice but to carry out orders or else.

Listen! Which word don’t you understand? There is no “out.” There is no “though.” there is no out!
Bob The Assassin 1993

As Maggie, makes a run for it after retrieving the information and coming face to face with one of the bodyguards where some hand to hand is exchanged, the violent kick is fairly thunderous and furious down to 40Hz and some fast paced score by Hans Zimmer, keeps this action going fast as Maggie, brings her knee up high and renders the bodyguard with sharp body blow that puts him down! With a second bodyguard coming at Maggie, then swings her whole body around to deliver a devastating whipping smack to the face that is just marginally higher then the first one, which is also down at 40Hz and finally jumping as high as she can, and giving him a second kick to the face practically renders him useless, and thus making her escape seem all too easy.

With body blows and punches coming in at 98dbc and 100dbc weighting on the Eltax A-12 R sub bass extension, and via simply sending the centre low end mix over to JBL 4645 and slamming into your chest at 105dbc and 107dbc weighting, makes I more exciting. There is a huge whollop that knocks you back into your seat with some hard hitting edge of the seat punches that places you in the middle of the action! The punches are so far exaggerated than real life it’s the closet approximation of being there!

Sending the low end extension back to the Eltax A-12 R where it can measure up to the same sound pressure or if I wanted less when passing the centre signal over to the JBL 4645, I could have balanced it, if I wanted too.


Using the mixing board to balance the two equal low end centre channel signals and sending them to both the Eltax A-12 R 12” and the JBL 4645 18” the impact climbs to 108dbc weighing, with the same body punches and blows to the face! The range was also tighter then before, feeling more like the 8th round in the boxing ring! With a few more tweaks on the mixing board I brought the level up to 109dbc weighting, but with the level peaking at 0dbVU on the meter I really don’t want to go any higher! In fact what I could do is increase the level of the amplification power to the Eltax A-12 R 12, and grandly turn the level back up for the JBL 4645 18” where it is operating at a normal level within it’s technically tolerances!

As the car looses control and partly hanging over a cliff, Maggie fights for her life has the deranged and psychiatric cleaner tires to kill her in a fanatic fight. As the cleaner grabs her by the throat, Maggie, forces his arm against the rear turning wheel, with a gritty friction of rubbing of rubber and yelling against the cleaners arm as he yells out in one last attempt of pain, the car eventually falls over the cliff taking the cleaner with him.

Fronts are also running with loudspeaker management crossover system to allow greater depth and clarity, with lower lows and higher highs as well as increased stereo width and tighter dialogue reproduction.


The cleaner’s dead…and umm …and the girl is…the girl is…the girl’s dead, too.
Bob The Assassin 1993

Last word

In a word: it’s a well put together remake, touching with a sexier class of gunfire of hard hand to hand combat and explosions!

Extras: None

Technical details

Certificate: 18

Region 2

Aspect ratio: scope 2.35:1 Panavision® (anamorphic enhanced)

Colour: Technicolor®

Cinema sound realise: 35mm Dolby Stereo (SR-D) type

DVD sound realise: Dolby 5.1 with (split-surrounds)

Year of realise: 1993

DVD year of realise: 1999


Picture 8/10

Sound 10/10

Overall rating 9/10

Presentational playback

Fader: 0db THX reference level

Sound system: JBL

Sound indicator: Dolby 5.1

Maximum loudness: 111dbc!

11-24-2007, 09:11 AM
Sorry, bad link fixed (forgot the double http error from this site)

PowerMac screen captures shown here (from DivX downloads via BT (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=173280&postcount=31))

'Course its not like this is a busy thread (grin)

JBL 4645
11-24-2007, 09:20 AM
Sorry, bad link fixed (forgot the double http error from this site)

Yes I was going to say the same thing test it before posting sometimes these links just give up the ghost?

JBL 4645
11-25-2007, 02:58 PM

One of the best sounding moments from the film is when Kirk decides to steal it, we’re all rooting for him and his crew to save a fellow comrade. James Horner’s score adds a wondrous punch with percussion stings horns, while Enterprise is being perused by U.S.S. Excelsior.

The fronts LCR JBL control 5 and 1 that run in active crossover custom fashion with the DCX2496 presented a fine reproduction within there technical tolerance levels, amble bass kick when called for, and warm enough sound, for a small room that is.


Space dock doors opened with a mild kick on there own on the centre channel at around 93dbC, with sub bass extension added to add the last octave or so with a bit more punch came in at 101dbC.

As the tension grows with Enterprise getting too close to the space dock doors, you’ll think she’s never get past them before being overtaken by Excelsior. At the last moment the doors open! With a thunderous deep kick from the centre channel. Just as Enterprise is backing outwards the low end is supported by the left and right with a smooth deep low that is accompanied by the LFE.1 as well to give the scene size and creditability.


As we see Enterprise, moving backwards and turning slightly to the LFE.1 cuts of smoothly allowing James Horner’s score to had some deep low end clash that’s mostly on left and right, with a mild kick on centre channel.


As Enterprise engages her warp drive there a low end thump or kick that should jolt your sound system of a brief period, which is followed be shuddering whoosh as she blasts away.



The sound will practically leap of the screen and pass down the right side surround arrays at JBL warp speeds. :D

JBL 4645
11-25-2007, 03:15 PM
With crew of Enterprise now in deep water and Kirk being put in situation that he can not get out of, he and his crew are faced with destroying Enterprise, rather than allowing it to fall into enemy hands of the Klingon empire.


With crew of Enterprise now in deep water and Kirk being in situation that he can not get out of, he and his crew are faced with destroying Enterprise, rather than allowing it to fall into enemy hands of the Klingon empire. Its one of those moments in Star Trek where the audience never thought Kirk had the nerve to destroy his own ship and did she go up in blaze of glory.


As Enterprise’s orbit finally gives up and decays rapidly as she slips away into the thin atmosphere the score suddenly takes over and James Horner, gave the grand ole screen legend star ship a beautiful send off.


Some of the sequences tested differently with Dolby dynamic range compression. This compresses all channels simultaneously thou I would prefer individual stereo compressors to customize it as this a very complex sounding six-track Dolby stereo mix that has subtle sounds happening on the surrounds, but if one can tolerate the THX reference level, for 101 minutes, then my hats off to you.

Anyway the levels came at with Enterprise exploding into a glorious fireball at.

Dolby dynamic compressor, turned on! 79dbA SPL 100dbC
Dolby dynamic compressor, turned off! 86dbA SPL 106dbC

Only wish I had some JBL 4675-A at the fronts LCR :D to put this a little bit more in my face just like it was at the Empire Leicester square London on Sunday October 8th 1989, oh yeah I’ve got a vivid memory on how this sounded in the Empire it was like in the chest in the gut at the same time when she exploded into a million pieces, up there on the huge screen with 13KW of THX JBL sound power. There’s only so much a JBL control 5 and 1, can do within there technical tolerance levels.

JBL 4645
11-26-2007, 10:33 AM
Well it finally arrived this afternoon.


Main menu has background track playing “Who’s that Girl” extras include one theatrical trailer and that’s it.


Madonna is sexy Nikki Finn who was wrongful accursed and jailed for 4 years is now being let out. Now she wants to clear her name and holds a key to safety deposit box that has vital evidence. Thou the violence is done in comedic way its well suited for the family and some nice musical tracks (cursing a commotion) and (who’s that girl) that plays the end credits away with a delightful smile.



Also along for the ride is (Griffin Dunn) Louden Trott who only had to take Nikki to the bus station along with picking up a rare cat, but things get a little out of control losing the cat a Rolls Royce, that ends up getting vandalised, a few guns shots two henchmen a body builder a fiancée and a group of girls?

Image: was farmed at 1.77:1 by cinematographer Jan de Bont was sharp and colourful for a 20 year old film, grain was soft dark shadowy scenes, contrast and brightness held themselves up fairly well.


Sound: how did it sound on the JBL Control system? Excellent one of the best comedy Dolby stereo film mixes that was original realised in selected cinemas in wide film gage 70mm six-track and nicely authored to DVD in Dolby 5.1 with (monaural surrounds) that start the film off with a whoosh effect that pans onto the centre channel with Madonna exiting from the Warner Bros shield which then starts of (cursing a commotion) that is heard with instrumental bass rhythm on left and right, (monaural surrounds) carried a lower bass rhythm, where Madonna voice is reverberated with ((echo)).

Centre channel held vocals and specific sound effects that where isolated it also carries a deep bass rhythm that is filtered in the mix.


Rick Kline sound re-recording mixer Donald O. Mitchell sound re-recording mixer Kevin O'Connell sound re-recording mixer did a good mix on this film blending all the tracks into a pleasing comedy.

LFE.1 was used sparingly to fair effect like driving beside a freight train the deep rolling wheels and huge tonnage rumbled the room with mild shuddering effect on the JBL 4645.

Who’s that Girl is a delightful funny comedy that left me laughing and smiling always to though the end credits. :)


11-27-2007, 02:41 PM
A new thread for posting scene-by-scene reviews and notes.

JBL 4645
11-27-2007, 06:23 PM
A new thread for posting scene-by-scene reviews and notes.


Well a little unannounced but thanks why, didn’t I add this months ago, nicely edited at as well. :applaud:

11-27-2007, 06:32 PM
Your effort is quite comprehensive! Bravo!
Actually, the more I ponder it, your attention to detail is quite astounding. Is there not a viable commercial market for your acuity in the film world?

JBL 4645
11-27-2007, 07:09 PM
Your effort is quite comprehensive! Bravo!
Actually, the more I ponder it, your attention to detail is quite astounding. Is there not a viable commercial market for your acuity in the film world?


I guess I would enjoy something like that not for the money, but if that’s how they like to reward you for your time, then so be it.

But in the case of this thread that originally started on the JBL summertime thread, call if you what, "the personal JBL movie fan review" :D if you what to. I’m slowly working on my next assignment a little slow going it is as it needs a bit more revising and editing.

11-27-2007, 07:15 PM
Well a little unannounced but thanks...Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

Welcome!. :) It seemed many movie and soundtrack buffs could miss your reviews posted elsewhere.

JBL 4645
11-27-2007, 07:20 PM
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

Welcome!. :) It seemed many movie and soundtrack buffs could miss your reviews posted elsewhere.


Don’t get me started on an old classic title, that’s one of my favourites once a year around Christmas time, I like to watch, (The Wizard of Oz) timeless classic that never gets to old with the young at heart. :p

11-27-2007, 07:42 PM

Don’t get me started on an old classic title, that’s one of my favourites once a year around Christmas time, I like to watch, (The Wizard of Oz) timeless classic that never gets to old with the young at heart. :p
Christmas??!! That's a summertime movie for me!

JBL 4645
11-27-2007, 07:52 PM
Christmas??!! That's a summertime movie for me!

Well you don’t live in the UK do, you.:D In the UK its family traditional film at Christmas time.:p

JBL 4645
11-29-2007, 02:30 PM


Main menu

-“I’ll get the lubricate”
-“There’s no time for lubricate”
-“There’s always time for lubricate”


Brought this Evolution yesterday to the wipe the smile of my face and as turned out, it’s was a rather funny comedy from Ghostbusters (1984) director Ivan Reitman.

Starring David Duchovny, Orlando Jones as two college scientists investigating meteor that’s crashed in the Arizona desert where they make a shocking discovery that the rock is alive, and evolving to a large (multicellular) life form, that if isn’t destroyed it would wipe out the entire untied states within a few months. Also staring is William Scott Julianne Moore and Dan Aykroyd.


Image: framed at 1:85.1 was clear and colourful contrast and brightness are very viewable throughout.



Sound: the sound of the approaching meteor at the started of with a low level rumbling sound on sub bass extension and a mild LFE.1 level as you start to get a clearer glimpse of the rock the LFE.1 grows in size that fits in well with the loudness of the LCR fronts, with swooping pans on all axis’s.



The final moments in from the film exploded at around 118dbc

Extras trailers in Dolby 5.1 and one Ghostbusters trailer in mono • Making of featurette • production notes • filmographies

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251075/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251075/)

JBL 4645
11-29-2007, 02:41 PM
A &B testing of the rock in 50 seconds intervals LCR surround and LFE.1


I’ve conducted several tests of the incoming rock sequence

Centre channel front with sub bass extension.


1 playing the centre channel on its own with sub bass extension. The sound has an organic tonal quality, it’s as if the rock is (breathing) as it hits the upper atmosphere shards of rock pieces burst into flames of what I can only describe as shotgun and cannon explosions that reached 103dbc.



Loudness in the dba weighting on centre channel was considerable louder at 82dba was cinematic enough for a small room.

Left and right channel fronts with sub bass extension.



2 playing the left and right on there own with sub bass extension. Music is played a at low level with an odd directional eeriness, as the rock tumbles around and around, as it progressively starts to break apart it’s less louder than that of centre channel, coming in at 102dbc at first with mild 103dbc that was barley within a 1 second apart.

Loudness in dba weighting on left and right upon exploding was at 80.5dba




JBL 4645
11-29-2007, 02:53 PM
Split-stereo-surrounds with centre back and sub bass extension.





3 Solar winds is heard moving around that soon turns into an alarming sound of what sounds like (women) screaming and yelling as the rocks brakes apart and then fans outwards into thousands of fragments that showered around my ears at 102dbc.

Loudness in dba weighting split-stereo surrounds came in at around 78dba with the yelling and screaming then as the rock finally erupts at 82dba.

Playing LCRS with LFE.1 only came in at around 108dbc I could tell certain other portions of the mix was missing or lacking if that helps.

Playing LCRS and sub bass extension with LFE.1 added for overall grater opening impact came in at around 110dbc.



Overall loudness was around 85dba

JBL control 5 x3 and control 1 x3 LCR divided into LF and HF bands
JBL control 1 sidewall surrounds x2
JBL centre back x2
JBL matrix extra channel x1
JBL 4645 x1 sub bass LFE.1
Eltax A-12 R sub bass extension LCRS

JBL 4645
12-10-2007, 11:58 AM

One specific moment in the film that caught my attention for reference LFE.1 level was this scene.


As bubblebee, hands over the All Spark to Sam, feeling that they have been defeated by Megaton the action Transforms into a nice reference low end, on the battle field.



As the tank fires and don’t be fooled it can Transform at will. The shell rockets along the three-screen plummeting into the ground with a nice bass and sub bass impact, that is localizable on screen left and partly in the centre channel. It’s mild on the LFE.1 at the time of impact.



The score by Steve Jabonsky has some nice percussion beating away that then fades out leaving the sound effects to takeover.



Come on guys, I can’t be the only JBL fan here who likes watching films with JBL, is there anyone else that has this film in the DVD collection?


As two pair of rockets head towards one of the Transformers passing from centre to left and left sidewall surrounds into the centre back for a brief moment, as the Transformer, narrowly escaping them.


JBL 4645
12-10-2007, 12:03 PM
With most of the sound fading down to a dull almost stillness…


What a appears to be retro (rocket boosters), that suddenly (ignite) and projects himself into midair leaving a brief shudder in the floorboards, on LFE.1 and three-screen fronts happens in different intervals and at different levels




The amount of times I have watched this scene as it looped in A &B mode on the DVD, because the mind can’t take it all in at once, I need to (listen and feel the emotions of the soundtrack transpiring) over and over, until I’m blue in the face.

The sound of the screaming girl is, only heard on the left and right fronts, with a phantom sound image, to give the listener the impression that it’s coming from the centre channel. While the rest of scream is heard on the surrounds, it gives you the illusion you’re right in the (middle) of this personal war, between the transformers, blitzing around you’re ears.




JBL 4645
12-10-2007, 12:06 PM


The rolling wave that extends from the LFE.1 and peaking at 40Hz on my Technics RTA, thou I can’t see between the 25Hz and 40Hz I guessing there’s a mild peak in the 30Hz range that grows steadily as the Transformer rolls overhead in midair, while the girl screams her head off in fear.
that echoes around me!

The centre carries a few mechanical transformable sound effects of gears and leaves twisting winding and turning.

I have a good feeling (Kevin O’Connell) might walk away with his golden boy next year because this is well crafted and engineered Dolby film mix that has lots going for it, now go and rent or buy it, great fun the kids will like it. :applaud::p

JBL 4645
12-20-2007, 12:13 AM


Main DVD menu is animated with various images from the film, which accompanied by main title score.


Third in the Spiderman instalment and this one delivers a nice blend of wild comic book fun for the fans of the Stan Lee, comic book of Spiderman 3. Stan Lee makes a few cameos in the films which you can’t help noticing. This as loaded with new characters that are out to get Spiderman I won’t give anything away has a few other nerds on other sites just like spoiling it, not that I would ever worry me but seeing it’s a new film and if you haven’t seen Spiderman 3 STOP! Rent all three and give those JBL loudspeakers a workout! You’ll like it!


I’ve viewed Spiderman 3 three times tonight since this is only on rental for 1 day only. After going though the main feature and then onto the two audio commentary tracks with cast and crew and then onto the crew audio commentary session was quite informative about the production and history of the Spiderman films, its worthy of listening to after having you’re ears and body pounding, with abrupt JBL THX abuse for 133m.32s!

Image was framed at 2.35:1 scope with crystal clear clarity for DVD so it’s another winner another standing applause for DVD; DVD has many more years left before it’s bumped by one of the two other competitors?

Sound was nothing more than dynamic lots and lots and lots going on in front and on the surrounds that where engaged with centre back surround.

Before I started playing the film, I just made a few sound checks with (automatic pink noise) on the Kenwood cycling around the around the room, then performed a (wideband pink noise) test with the (dts 5.1 set-up disc) until I was satisfied the sound system was going to play without being harsh on the mid range and high frequency sounds.

Played a few moments from DIE HARD 4.0 the tunnel scene just to make sure all the low end impact has the same impact! Played one scene from Transformers to double check it, then played a few highlights from Spiderman and Spiderman 2.

Opening credits from Spiderman and closing credits. The train scene from Spiderman 2 is a JBL treat to the ears and the moment towards the end where Doc Ock fires up his little science project with an almighty low, low, low oomph that growled from screen LCR and surrounds via the second sub bass speaker, or (sub bass extension) as I prefer to call it.

LFE.1 was mild and it’s an unpredictable channel that can play soft or it can be very high in level and frequency as well, so I always exercise extreme caution because I like to keep the JBL 4645 going and going and going.


22m:18s in on Spiderman 3 where Flint Marko has just being pursued by police, falls into a pit full of sand, the sound is eerie and still at first until a loud humming sound like a transformer starting up, that reached 112dbc via the LFE.1, I could have taken it up to 120dbc, but not without altering the levels of the other remaining channels.


Jameson, being tight as he always is now stress pills the whole lot as you can see form his desk above.

Sound wise it was comfortable with the Berhinger DCX2496 at the fronts, the FBQ 2496 now serves the stereo surrounds main stereo input with equalization to trim signal before it passes off to the Pioneer VSP-200 for sidewall and centre back surround, while matrix extra channel is placed in a different position in the room, since I’m fresh out of JBL control 1, as three of them are used for HF LCR via the DCX2496, so far the custom job as performed okay with the combo JBL control 5 and 1 at the fronts, they can play louder with (wide stereo spared) in front.

The MJ scream is one that I always look out for and seeing there’s three Spiderman films now, I might do a (special MJ screaming test) to see which Spiderman film has the best MJ scream, if I get the to time to view Spiderman 3 again later in the day, before 8pm.


JBL 4645
12-20-2007, 12:15 AM

Now that is an iconic image of Spiderman standing behind the stars and strips.



Spiderman plays (tubular bells) and wow does this ring around the room, this has to be heard with a good handful of surround loudspeakers surrounding you for the fullest effect!


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145487/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145487/fullcredits#cast)

Spiderman 2
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316654/combined (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316654/combined)

Spiderman 3
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/fullcredits#cast)

12-20-2007, 05:35 AM
We rented that from Netflicks and watched it last night - Gawd, that movie was a DOG!

I generally enjoy Sam Raimi's movies but sheesh! Some of the special effects were weird - it looked like they did some digital manipulation of the actors' faces in places to "enhance" the emotions ... truly funky.
(Check out Mary Jane lip quivering right at the end of the film - unnatural!)

If they do a 4th one, I hope its more like Spidey 1 or 2 instead of this steaming pile ...

And - Spidey in front of the flag - that was over-the-top parody, right?
I mean, it wasn't "Captain America and Bucky", it was Spiderman ...

I went into the movie with no expectations other than "Spiderman Movies are kinda cool", and suffered through over 2 hours of excess

And lest you think I'm being fussy, go read the reviews -





JBL 4645
12-20-2007, 11:34 AM
Or it could have been Superman! Sorry it wasn’t you’re kettle of fish I enjoyed all three Spiderman films, I heard from the DVD library that Tobey Maguire only singed up for two more after Spiderman 2002, so it looks like the end of the trip?

JBL 4645
12-23-2007, 08:23 AM

Traditional family classic for all ages “The Wizard of Oz”as been a family event if not for many decades on the TV, here in the UK it often gets shown around the festive season, children and the young at heart grace this delightful fairytale about a girl called Dorothy who ends up in the wonderful land of Oz with Toto, who go on a journey to find the wizard of Oz, and hopeful find away back home before the wicked witch of the east has her way with her and Toto too.

She meets friends on her incredible journey along the yellow brick road, and some memorable musical MGM classics that most of you I’m sure remember.





Now I don’t have any issues with this remix version in Dolby 5.1 apart from a few others, this one sang beautifully, it was whole lot different than I expected when I viewed this 6 years ago, the openness of the fronts was clear and more enjoyable than over the TV speaker for the past 30 years. A few additional sounds effects, where added to create a pleasing listening experience over the monaural sound mix.

The tornado sequence was fun, and yet scary all at the same time, and thou I’ve seen it man times, before the sheer impact left me gasping for water, my mouth dried up my eyes started to water and opening the moment Dorothy walks though the house after coming to a sudden halt! The stillness in the soundtrack as she moves towards the front door with caution, leans forwards and opens the door to a magical colourful world of (Technicolor), completely left a lump in my throat.


JBL 4645
12-23-2007, 08:36 AM





The enhancement on this version really pays good tribute towards the film; everything is working perfectly perfeormnecs picture and sound working together, as magical whole.

Unaware that Dorothy has killed the wicked witch of the west that now lies underneath the house?


She walks around steadily looking at the lush green and wonderful colours that surround her in this peaceful land, of Oz. hiding down below are the Munchkins! Who I bet are more curios of there new and unexpected guest who just dropped from out of the skies.




JBL 4645
12-23-2007, 08:39 AM





The enhancement on this version really pays good tribute towards the film; everything is working perfectly perfeormnecs picture and sound working together, as magical whole.

Unaware that Dorothy as killed the wicked witch of the west, that now lies underneath the house?


She walks around steadily looking at the lush green and wonderful colours that surround her in this peaceful land, of Oz. hiding down below are the Munchkins! Who I bet are more curios of there new and unexpected guest who just dropped from out of the skies.




12-23-2007, 08:58 AM
But have you tried playing The Wizard of Oz synchronized with the Dark Side of the Moon album??


Dark Side of the Rainbow (also known as Dark Side of Oz or The Wizard of Floyd) is the name used to refer to the act of listening to the 1973 Pink Floyd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd) album The Dark Side of the Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon) while watching the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_%281939_film%29) for moments where the film and the album appear to correspond with each other. The title of the music video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_video)-like experience comes from a combination of the album title and the film's song "Over the Rainbow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Rainbow)". It is also a reference to the rainbow from a prism design on the cover of the Pink Floyd album.

Also see


JBL 4645
12-23-2007, 11:12 AM
But have you tried playing The Wizard of Oz synchronized with the Dark Side of the Moon album??


Dark Side of the Rainbow (also known as Dark Side of Oz or The Wizard of Floyd) is the name used to refer to the act of listening to the 1973 Pink Floyd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd) album The Dark Side of the Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon) while watching the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_%281939_film%29) for moments where the film and the album appear to correspond with each other. The title of the music video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_video)-like experience comes from a combination of the album title and the film's song "Over the Rainbow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Rainbow)". It is also a reference to the rainbow from a prism design on the cover of the Pink Floyd album.

Also see



http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/image.php?u=3090&dateline=1198243653 (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/member.php?u=3090)
The cat is back! Meow. :applaud:

I’m going to have a look over in Youtube to see if there’s anything on this matter, “Dark Side of the Rainbow”.



JBL 4645
12-24-2007, 05:52 PM


Animated DVD menu is funny.

Shia labeouf, Jeff Bridges do the voiceovers on this delightful animated film about Surfing Penguins, living the life on the beach and surfing until the sun goes down, smooth man.

I know I was going to enjoy this and at 1hr 22min it went rather fast, made me cry a few times, laughed and gasped at the wonderful images unfolding fame for frame.

Farmed at 1.85:1 W/S image was stable shape enough for DVD colourful and delightfully pleasing.




The sound was cool on the JBL with THX dialogue was panning around over LCR along with deep rumbling waves that come crashing down over you’re head, one wave was so smooth peaking at 25Hz as it lifts the surfboards up, as the penguins ride it, was fantastic at 105dbc



The Big wave towards the end of the film came thundering down on me at 115dbc! Wow I thought the JBL 4645 bought the farm that, was loud, the sheer sound pressure was all over my body, wonderful Dolby 5.1. Some of the atmosphere scenes in Antarctica at the opening had an almost being there presence, with the wind blowing softly and penguin voices moving from left and right and centre.



This will delight the kids and if not the adults as well, after all I’m a grown, well almost…buy surf’s up toady and remember let the wave carry you…

Well I’m knocking off night going to watch Surf’s Up for second time and listen to the audio commentary session, and by the way, happy Christmas JBL Lansing members…


JBL 4645
12-25-2007, 12:16 PM
Mild large wave deep and low to 25Hz!

The rolling low waves of sound moving towards me, with deep rumbling force down to 25Hz 40Hz and 62Hz that I could see all interacting at the same time on the RTA. Sound pressure level was up to 105dbc on the LFE.1 only with sub bass extension on the second sub bass from the centre channel adding onto the LFE.1 giving a total in-room 107dbc.


When the penguin surfers race towards the waves during the films final moments of the surfing competition, a nice beauty just starts rolling and getting bigger in size as well as sound too, then 6 surfing penguins go down out of 24 leaving only 18 left.


It starts at 62m:19s and its on centre channel and LFE.1 only, you’d never be able to tell where its coming from because its omni-directional it was just rumbling the floor and my body and ears, with a slow mild thundering attack, this was a mild wave, the BIG ONE comes later in the next post!




JBL 4645
12-25-2007, 01:09 PM

18th of February 2008 sees the region 2 DVD realise of Howard the Duck, wow its about time.

-One million watts of power! Power!
-Yes sir how about some coffee?

Hope it’s the 70mm (Road Show) six-track Dolby stereo experience because the mix sounded wonderful on Hi-Fi stereo VHS years ago, okay so there was a bit of low level noise on the VHS, still I have fond memories of this even though it’s a turkey or Duck, its still good for the JBL.:p

This played in a few THX sound system cinemas in the US when it was realised, I bet that sounded great DEEP LOW END!


JBL 4645
01-05-2008, 07:41 PM


(Wesley Snipes) is back in action with this fast paced thriller, as FAA John Cutter
who’s just picked the wrong plane, mastermind terrorist Charles Rane played by (Bruce Payne) is being escorted by federal agents, whilst in flight the plane is hijacked, and his demands are rather simple, blunt and to the point. While Cutter is in the toilet he overhears the commotion and springs into action, guns blaze while plane pipits and rocks around with terrified scamming passengers.


The plane eventually lands on a small airfield where negotiations for fuel for passengers, Cutter knows it’s a trap to elude authorities, while he gets away Scott free.



Image isn’t too bad for this region 2 DVD farmed at 2.35:1 scope colours look rich and bold contrast and brightness with daylight scenes where natural and dark shadows where easy to see on the good ole CRT screen.

Sound opening credits was neatly done with plenty of instrumental ping ponging form left and right, I didn’t have much time as I would like to do a second viewing and analyze the mix thoroughly, maybe at a much later date. It was good on the JBL control 5 and 1 LCR fronts imaging was (loud and clear) but that’s down to mixing skills.

Surrounds appeared to be stereo since this was realised around 1992, I did mange to listen to the cabin sound of whooshing air conducting moving around, but that was monaural, when I pressed the centre back mode on the Pioneer VSP-200 I noticed the sound dropping towards the centre back surrounds. I then depressed the pro-logic mode and redirected the sound back to just plain sidewall surrounds.

The THX circuitry often makes monaural sound on the surrounds swoosh from side to side, due to right channels (THX Adaptive Decorrelation). When it detects stereo it switches off, something like that and when a monaural sound is detected it turns back on.http://www.thx.com/technologies/decorrel.html (http://www.thx.com/technologies/decorrel.html)

I’m not sure if anyone else has this film if you do can you check out the (dialogue speech) has its not the first nor the last time, but it was detected on screen left and right channels, a few db to the left front, it should be (isolated and anchored) to the centre without any distractions. It could be intentional as this has cropped up in films like Cocoon (1986) Apollo 13 (1995) to name a few.

LFE.1 was used sparingly throughout and it’s like I say, it a very (unpredictable channel) that can come active at moment the loudness on one of few explosions; most of the bass was covered over LCR with mild amounts of it on the surrounds, but the JBL 4645 handled it like its handled many action films before it, over the past 9 years, flawlessly.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105104/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105104/)

That’s the last JBL DVD review I’ll be doing for at least while now, until I’m settled in my new home, I don’t know I’m going to do the next one, because I plan to keep most of the audio equipment in a separate room along with the pc, to reduce clutter, so I guess I might have to modify the SPL db metre with an extension lead that leads to the bedroom along with the RTA microphone in the home cinema room, otherwise I’ll be walking from room to room.

01-06-2008, 07:59 AM
What do you do for a living?

01-06-2008, 09:09 AM
in grampa simpson voice "He wathces a lot of movies".......and then reports his findings to us.
Ashley, you the man! Thanks dude, when I am ready to start thinking/planing a HT system I will definitely be in touch.
Did you see me and you and everyone we know? funky movie, nice soundtrack.
All the best my friend :) did you move already or are you in the process of doing so, hope it goes smoothly, I loathe moving :homer: :007:

JBL 4645
01-06-2008, 04:24 PM
What do you do for a living?]

Too much time, on my hands, I know. :D

in grampa simpson voice "He wathces a lot of movies".......and then reports his findings to us.
Ashley, you the man! Thanks dude, when I am ready to start thinking/planing a HT system I will definitely be in touch.
Did you see me and you and everyone we know? funky movie, nice soundtrack.
All the best my friend :) did you move already or are you in the process of doing so, hope it goes smoothly, I loathe moving :homer: :007:

Cheers mate :) a JBL loudspeaker should be a universal thing to enjoy, not only music but both! Movies have soundtracks as well with the all dancing, singing, crashes and bangs, along with rumbling lows quake damaging, whoops! Well maybe not quake damaging, but near enough! Depth of sound should have focus and total authority to the artists and mixers work, with faithful reproduction and transparency all around the listener, time and time again.

So when you get around to committing yourself to the task of building a little home cinema, whether its basement, modifying the surroundings of the living room or building an extension onto the house, hope you get a brake at it.:)

JBL 4645
01-06-2008, 05:03 PM
I was looking at the post on (Evolution) where I was taking a look at one specific moment from the film, I noted the (dba and dbc) weighting levels (SPL) so I’m going to hath to make considerable modifications in the new home to reduce and keep the levels of the frequencies down too, respectful peaceful levels.

I think, what I can do is reduce the low end on LCR fronts with a little reduction on the EQ that is (LF LCR) then note the differences, then look closely at the mid to high range, and very high frequencies, don’t practically penetrate though concrete that easily.

Just as long as the fronts LCR have acceptable peak of 85dbc rather than 105, that should hopefully go unnoticed, same applies to the surrounds, if I can match the fronts LCR with a good frequency response that will merge with the surrounds, but!

I have noticed that (surrounds) on some type of films tend to be quite loud sometimes, and since they don’t have there own DCX2496 for electronic crossover, at present I’m going to hath to tread very carefully.

Sub bass extension will have to be greatly reduced down, along with LFE.1 via the two separate subs, I don’t know where or how there going to be fitted into a small room, I might end up with a small sofa and placing them behind or something other, as I tend to not only look at it form one point of view but several.

Think three dimensionally, I’m on the top floor there will be nothing to the side of the flat, expect below? Is it a (person’s living room or bedroom)? And what type of person is that do they enjoy music themselves? How old is that person? What is there tolerance level like? All these factors to consider must be weighed and analyzed. :hmm::idea:

Oh, there's just one other thing, I noticed it was very reflective the room that might, might be the home cinema room.

Now that needs carpet not sure what type of carpet my dad has, but I’ll take it.

Walls now that needs some type of treatment, what types of affordable DIY materials that are presently on hand? Now I’m not looking to stick bass traps in the room, that’s going to radically reduce the size of the room before I know it! So a slim absorbent like, material that can be attached to the walls without make a total palaver out of the situation, with a coloured fabric.

All of the above is the last phase and the least of my worries, where and how do I fit the surrounds I’m stuck with x7 JBL control 1, at present and a few more I might buy a few more at (very) late date.

Now I’ve seen surrounds successfully attached to the ceiling in one cinema that I started out many years ago, and they proved to work very well.

But what of the (centre back) I can see it now, oh that doesn’t work very well, oh dear, take them down and start all over again! That I don’t want to do, so I hath to think, how do I get around the problem with a large (double glazed widow) on one side of the room?

Do I attach MDF around it (securely) then that leaves the gaps around the fireplace? Now then, do I build a few (shelves) and find a way to fit (one surround side) to it with the next one fitted to the (chimney breast)? The widow area with MDF can be made easy to fit a few side surrounds.

So with sides figured out and placed not to high up, angled downwards, it shouldn’t present a problem with the centre back, and if a sofa is installed it has to be at least a few feet away from the back wall, otherwise the front to back imaging, will be less than convincing.

01-06-2008, 07:47 PM
a JBL loudspeaker should be a universal thing to enjoy, not only music but both!
I belive you are absolutely right, point well made :applaud: :dancin: :montyp:

JBL 4645
01-06-2008, 10:04 PM
I belive you are absolutely right, point well made :applaud: :dancin: :montyp:

That came from the heart.:)

Looks like the Mango Juice isn’t kicking in tonight, damn the (tinnitus). You know with all the DVD boxed up and laserdiscs and the CD, apart form a few boxes that I can get too, and pull out a favourite, I’m just not in the mood, about the only thing I was listening too late of last night was, Youtube. Space 1999 intro, DIE HARD the f^**(king short version! Madonna, Oh Father though the AUX lead input from pc to Kenwood AUX that is…

It will take no more than a 1 hour to (disassemble) the entire JBL and audio system, fill the sidewalls up with polyfill, remove the JBL 2240 18” from the enclosure, this I will do upon the day that I move, practically over night.

Disassemble? Not disassemble!:eek:

01-07-2008, 07:13 AM
Good luck with the move my friend, I hope it goes smoothly ;)

01-07-2008, 07:55 AM
Moving?? Well, probably good to get away from that home that burned last year.

Are ya staying in Bournemouth?

Good luck with the packing and moving, my friend - hope the next place is comfortable and safe for you!

That came from the heart.:)
It will take no more than a 1 hour to (disassemble) the entire JBL and audio system, fill the sidewalls up with polyfill, remove the JBL 2240 18” from the enclosure, this I will do upon the day that I move, practically over night.

JBL 4645
01-07-2008, 07:13 PM
Cheers Heather thanks I hope it is homely.:)

01-08-2008, 01:26 PM
My 1st posting here, but I thought the board my enjoy a blast from the past.
I purchased an old 16mm reel of film, had in converted in to a PC video file. Posted this 1979 Sensurround TV spot for the release of Battlestar Galactica in theaters.

I am a fan of the original Galactica and the new, and loved watching this release of Galactica in my local theater. The Sensurround speakers were massive, and the best sounding movie I have ever heard. I never had the chance to watch Earth Quake or any of the other movies released in that format. I also was lucky enough to speak with Peter Berkos, and a small interview also. Peter was the creator of most of the sound effects for Galactica including the nerve racking Sensurround audio. The movie runs about 2 hours in length, but the 5 reels of film took him 5 or 6 days to add the Sensurround sound effects. His nerves were racked at the end of 5 hours a day adding each bit heavy sound clips like laser blasting, or Viper launching.
With that does anyone have a spare Sensurround speaker for sale?

louped garouv
01-08-2008, 01:57 PM
welcome aboard...

sensurround used several pairs of Cerwin Vega basshorns,
Vega still makes a variant of these horns...

you can also find earlier CV "earthquake" horns on the seconday market...


good luck!

01-08-2008, 02:36 PM
welcome aboard...

sensurround used several pairs of Cerwin Vega basshorns,
Vega still makes a variant of these horns...

you can also find earlier CV "earthquake" horns on the seconday market...


good luck!
Thanks, great reference site.

JBL 4645
01-08-2008, 09:03 PM

Welcome to the JBL Lansing Heritage site. :)

This is quote from the Imdb site of one my first experiences hearing and feeling (((Sensurround)))

“Earthquake being one of the first to shake and rumble the hell of the audience
“70 mm 6-Track (70 mm prints) (Westrex Recording System) / Mono (35 mm optical prints) / Sensurround (70 mm and 35 mm magnetic prints) / 4-Track Stereo (35 mm magnetic prints)”

Earthquake (1974) and Battlestar Galactica (1979)
I saw this in (((Sensurround))) at the Bournemouth ABC screen 1

Now I’m not sure if the print I saw was 70mm or 35mm? I was far too young at the time to know those things, but I remember seeing the (warning to audiences) just before Earthquake started and it was nothing short than awesome…

I found this on the in-70mm site and I found it rather amusing, in fact darn right funny, because I’m not joking it was a very loud sound system for the cinemas back in 1974, I thought the ceiling was going to give, it was (thunderous)!!! And at just 79p to see a film back then, what a bargain.

Sensurround Horror Stories
“..the projectionist consumed a lot more alcohol on the job than normal to try and numb his headaches from the constant rumble and vibration in the booth!

I took my girlfriend to see "Earthquake" and she complained about a sick stomach! We were in the balcony and it felt like it was a roller coaster at times.

When The Branmar Theater in Wilmington, DE, which had shown all the Sensurround films closed in the late 80's, you could still see the cracks in the ceiling from the process!

In Billings, Mont. they opened “Earthquake”. A knickknack/china shop occupied one of the storefronts. Needless to say, the morning after the opening all the wall-mounted breakables were in pieces on the floor. For the rest of the run, that store had to take down all of their wall displays every night and put'em back up the next day!

I received an e-mail last night from a gentleman in England who's wife got a nose bleed watching "Earthquake" in Sensurround!

Ceiling tiles would vibrate loose and fall on the audience, giving the true earthquake effect. On "Battle of Midway", I walked inside on one of the rear beasts [speakers], and it was vicious.

The owner of a cinema in Luxembourg thought that the number of subwoofers proposed by the installer wasn't enough so he doubled it. Result was that the first time they played “Earthquake” the hotel next to the theatre was evacuated because people were convinced a real earthquake was happening

At the Fairlawn during the presentation of "Rollercoaster", it was found that in either theatre, the Sensurround noise would intrude into the sound of the other theatre. The only option was to run the picture simultaneously in both houses.

There were, of course, numerous tales associated with the running of this print (“Battlestar Galactica”), such as the elderly lady who lived behind the Fairlawn, complaining to the Toronto Transit Commission that they were running their subways especially loud at 8:00.

UA Fox Theatre in Hackensack, NJ. The theatre was an old 1800 seat Egyption Art Deco with an awesome balcony. Sensurround presentations ended when part of the plaster ceiling came crashing down during a showing of “Rollercoaster”. Nobody was hurt, but the fact that 10 seats got crushed spooked the management.

At the Penn Centre in St Catherines Ontario the effect was so powerful the booth floor separated from its slab and sank 2 inches

At the Elaine theatre the shockwaves killed all the goldfish in the pet shop at the other end of the mall. One of the most interesting aspects of the Sensurround "experience" was watching the crowd reaction. I saw a couple people get up and run out of the theater in fear! Really! The down side was going to a movie in a auditorium next door.”

Here are a few technical links regarding (((Sensurround)))
http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/2004/69/sensurround/index.htm (http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/2004/69/sensurround/index.htm)
http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/2004/69/sensurround/about.htm (http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/2004/69/sensurround/about.htm)
http://www.in70mm.com/news/2004/recreating_sensurround/index.htm (http://www.in70mm.com/news/2004/recreating_sensurround/index.htm)
http://members.aol.com/earthquakemovie/trivia.html (http://members.aol.com/earthquakemovie/trivia.html)

Oh, there's just one other thing.

The region 2 DVD of Battle Star Galactica is in monaural which is a shame and only Earthquake (1974) is presented in Dolby 5.1 for region 2, that I own, and I’ll just wait until Universal get a proper print of Battle Star Galactica (1979) I believe the region 1 version of Earthquake as two different soundtrack sections to chose from, while the region 2 only has one to chose form, and its mighty loud brings back Sensurround syndrome it really does that shaking feeling way down deep that you can feel on the LFE.1, chapter 8 The Big One, 8 minutes long!!! :p

JBL 4645
01-09-2008, 12:24 PM
£5.00 ASDA


I noticed last December that a small scratch mark as got on my first edition region 2 version of the summer blockbuster of 1996 Independence Day, so I’ll review it over in the next month or two, for now its staying wrapped up in the shrink-wrap. It has a dts mix on it, wow, I’ll see how it compares, but I’m more of Dolby fan for DVD and dts fan for laserdisc.

This isn’t the exact DVD cover, I can’t find the first edition region 2 DVD cover, so this will suffice.

This is an Irwin Allen classic and what a few he brought out during the 1970’s water capsizing and ocean liner and then fire with sky rising, The Towering Inferno, which I have had for several years on region 2 DVD. Anyway I’m going to view this later on, and with all the (JBL control 1 boxed up!) I’ll hah to make a few adjustments to the settings on the DCX2496 for the LCR maybe connect the HF tweeter up with the DCX2496, for the surrounds I’ll use two JBL control 5 for the rear, this is temporally, and there partly, ready to move.

I’ve boxed up the Behreinger BFQ2496 that I use for primary surround EQ, my Cello DR-810 DVD-RW, and besides the boxes filling up the front of the room, the sound of the room is changing, grandly.

Can’t wait to get out of this crap:banghead::barf: hole dump!:applaud:

£2.00 ASDA


I noticed last December that a small scratch mark as got on my first edition region 2 version of the summer blockbuster of 1996 Independence Day, so I’ll review it over in the next month or two, for now its staying wrapped up in the shrink-wrap. It has a dts mix on it, wow, I’ll see how it compares, but I’m more of Dolby fan for DVD and dts fan for laserdisc.

JBL 4645
01-09-2008, 03:48 PM
Would you believe it! The second layer of, The Poseidon Adventure was (full of pixels):banghead: so I took straight back and I was just getting into watching (Gene Hackman) leading everyone to safety. Oh well I’ll look out for the two disc set sometime in the near future.

It’s the second time I’ve encountered this uncommon issue, the first time was a few years ago, that Pyrites of the Caribbean II had one moment, where (Jack peeks at the compass) and all of a sudden pixels! :banghead: I took that DVD back and got a second one and that too, had the same issue.

Basically it was down to the supervising of the transfer, that’s all, I bet there was thousands with the same fault.

Anyway I changed The Poseidon Adventure over o Walk the Line “the man in black” AKA Johnny Cash (2005) I believe this was up for an Oscar for best sound so this should rock the ole JBL tonight.:bouncy::p


JBL 4645
01-22-2008, 04:17 AM

Later today the nominations for this, years Oscars will be announced at 5:30 a.m?

I’ve heard that the (writer’s guild) where on strike or something like that over the past few weeks, is this true? And will this curse disruption for the ceremony on February 24th when it’s broadcasted live to the world.

http://www.oscar.com/ (http://www.oscar.com/)

I’ll be waiting for nominations, hope Kevin O’Connell gets nominated for Spiderman 3?

JBL 4645
01-22-2008, 07:26 AM
Performance by an actor in a leading role

George Clooney in “Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.)
Daniel Day-Lewis in “There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax)
Johnny Depp in “Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber of Fleet Street”
(DreamWorks and Warner Bros., Distributed by DreamWorks/Paramount)
Tommy Lee Jones in “In the Valley of Elah” (Warner Independent)
Viggo Mortensen in “Eastern Promises” (Focus Features)

Performance by an actor in a supporting role

Casey Affleck in “The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford” (Warner Bros.)
Javier Bardem in “No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage)
Philip Seymour Hoffman in “Charlie Wilson’s War” (Universal)
Hal Holbrook in “Into the Wild” (Paramount Vantage and River Road Entertainment)
Tom Wilkinson in “Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.)

Performance by an actress in a leading role

Cate Blanchett in “Elizabeth: The Golden Age” (Universal)
Julie Christie in “Away from Her” (Lionsgate)
Marion Cotillard in “La Vie en Rose” (Picturehouse)
Laura Linney in “The Savages” (Fox Searchlight)
Ellen Page in “Juno” (Fox Searchlight)

Performance by an actress in a supporting role

Cate Blanchett in “I’m Not There” (The Weinstein Company)
Ruby Dee in “American Gangster” (Universal)
Saoirse Ronan in “Atonement” (Focus Features)
Amy Ryan in “Gone Baby Gone” (Miramax)
Tilda Swinton in “Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.)

Best animated feature film of the year

“Persepolis” (Sony Pictures Classics) Marjane Satrapi and Vincent Paronnaud
“Ratatouille” (Walt Disney) Brad Bird
“Surf's Up” (Sony Pictures Releasing) Ash Brannon and Chris Buck

Achievement in art direction

“American Gangster” (Universal)
Art Direction: Arthur Max
Set Decoration: Beth A. Rubino
“Atonement” (Focus Features)
Art Direction: Sarah Greenwood
Set Decoration: Katie Spencer
“The Golden Compass” (New Line in association with Ingenious Film Partners)
Art Direction: Dennis Gassner
Set Decoration: Anna Pinnock
“Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber of Fleet Street” (DreamWorks and Warner Bros., Distributed by DreamWorks/Paramount)
Art Direction: Dante Ferretti
Set Decoration: Francesca Lo Schiavo
“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax)
Art Direction: Jack Fisk
Set Decoration: Jim Erickson

Achievement in cinematography

“The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford” (Warner Bros.) Roger Deakins
“Atonement” (Focus Features) Seamus McGarvey

“The Diving Bell and the Butterfly” (Miramax/Pathé Renn) Janusz Kaminski
“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage) Roger Deakins
“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax) Robert Elswit

Achievement in costume design

“Across the Universe” (Sony Pictures Releasing) Albert Wolsky
“Atonement” (Focus Features) Jacqueline Durran
“Elizabeth: The Golden Age” (Universal) Alexandra Byrne
“La Vie en Rose” (Picturehouse) Marit Allen
“Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber of Fleet Street” (DreamWorks and Warner Bros., Distributed by DreamWorks/Paramount) Colleen Atwood

Achievement in directing

“The Diving Bell and the Butterfly” (Miramax/Pathé Renn) Julian Schnabel
“Juno” (Fox Searchlight) Jason Reitman
“Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.) Tony Gilroy
“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage) Joel Coen and Ethan Coen
“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax) Paul Thomas Anderson

Best documentary feature

“No End in Sight” (Magnolia Pictures)
A Representational Pictures Production
Charles Ferguson and Audrey Marrs
“Operation Homecoming: Writing the Wartime Experience” (The Documentary Group)
A Documentary Group Production
Richard E. Robbins
“Sicko” (Lionsgate and The Weinstein Company)
A Dog Eat Dog Films Production
Michael Moore and Meghan O’Hara
“Taxi to the Dark Side” (THINKFilm)
An X-Ray Production
Alex Gibney and Eva Orner
“War/Dance” (THINKFilm)
A Shine Global and Fine Films Production
Andrea Nix Fine and Sean Fine

Best documentary short subject

A Lieutenant Films Production
Cynthia Wade and Vanessa Roth
“La Corona (The Crown)”
A Runaway Films and Vega Films Production
Amanda Micheli and Isabel Vega
“Salim Baba”
A Ropa Vieja Films and Paradox Smoke Production
Tim Sternberg and Francisco Bello
“Sari’s Mother” (Cinema Guild)
A Daylight Factory Production
James Longley

Achievement in film editing

“The Bourne Ultimatum” (Universal) Christopher Rouse
“The Diving Bell and the Butterfly” (Miramax/Pathé Renn) Juliette Welfling
“Into the Wild” (Paramount Vantage and River Road Entertainment) Jay Cassidy
“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage) Roderick Jaynes
“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax) Dylan Tichenor

Best foreign language film of the year

“Beaufort” A Metro Communications, Movie Plus Production
“The Counterfeiters” An Aichholzer Filmproduktion, Magnolia Filmproduktion Production
“Katyń” An Akson Studio Production
“Mongol” A Eurasia Film Production
“12” A Three T Production

Achievement in makeup

“La Vie en Rose” (Picturehouse) Didier Lavergne and Jan Archibald
“Norbit” (DreamWorks, Distributed by Paramount) Rick Baker and Kazuhiro Tsuji
“Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End” (Walt Disney) Ve Neill and Martin Samuel

Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)

“Atonement” (Focus Features) Dario Marianelli
“The Kite Runner” (DreamWorks, Sidney Kimmel Entertainment and Participant Productions, Distributed by Paramount Classics) Alberto Iglesias
“Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.) James Newton Howard
“Ratatouille” (Walt Disney) Michael Giacchino
“3:10 to Yuma” (Lionsgate) Marco Beltrami

Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original song)

“Falling Slowly” from “Once”
(Fox Searchlight)
Music and Lyric by Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova
“Happy Working Song” from “Enchanted”
(Walt Disney)
Music by Alan Menken
Lyric by Stephen Schwartz
“Raise It Up” from “August Rush”
(Warner Bros.)
Nominees to be determined

“So Close” from “Enchanted”
(Walt Disney)
Music by Alan Menken
Lyric by Stephen Schwartz
“That’s How You Know” from “Enchanted”
(Walt Disney)
Music by Alan Menken
Lyric by Stephen Schwartz

Best motion picture of the year

“Atonement” (Focus Features)
A Working Title Production
Tim Bevan, Eric Fellner and Paul Webster, Producers
“Juno” (Fox Searchlight)
A Dancing Elk Pictures, LLC Production
Lianne Halfon, Mason Novick and Russell Smith, Producers
“Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.)
A Clayton Productions, LLC Production
Sydney Pollack, Jennifer Fox and Kerry Orent, Producers
“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage)
A Scott Rudin/Mike Zoss Production
Scott Rudin, Ethan Coen and Joel Coen, Producers
“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax)
A JoAnne Sellar/Ghoulardi Film Company Production
JoAnne Sellar, Paul Thomas Anderson and Daniel Lupi, Producers

Best animated short film

“I Met the Walrus”
A Kids & Explosions Production
Josh Raskin

“Madame Tutli-Putli” (National Film Board of Canada)
A National Film Board of Canada Production
Chris Lavis and Maciek Szczerbowski
“Même Les Pigeons Vont au Paradis (Even Pigeons Go to Heaven)” (Premium Films)
A BUF Compagnie Production
Samuel Tourneux and Simon Vanesse
“My Love (Moya Lyubov)” (Channel One Russia)
A Dago-Film Studio, Channel One Russia and Dentsu Tec Production
Alexander Petrov
“Peter & the Wolf” (BreakThru Films)
A BreakThru Films/Se-ma-for Studios Production
Suzie Templeton and Hugh Welchman

Best live action short film

“At Night”
A Zentropa Entertainments 10 Production
Christian E. Christiansen and Louise Vesth
“Il Supplente (The Substitute)” (Sky Cinema Italia)
A Frame by Frame Italia Production
Andrea Jublin
“Le Mozart des Pickpockets (The Mozart of Pickpockets)” (Premium Films)
A Karé Production
Philippe Pollet-Villard
“Tanghi Argentini” (Premium Films)
An Another Dimension of an Idea Production
Guido Thys and Anja Daelemans
“The Tonto Woman”
A Knucklehead, Little Mo and Rose Hackney Barber Production
Daniel Barber and Matthew Brown

Achievement in sound editing

“The Bourne Ultimatum” (Universal)
Karen Baker Landers and Per Hallberg
“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage)
Skip Lievsay
“Ratatouille” (Walt Disney)
Randy Thom and Michael Silvers
“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax)
Matthew Wood
“Transformers” (DreamWorks and Paramount in association with Hasbro)
Ethan Van der Ryn and Mike Hopkins

Achievement in sound mixing

“The Bourne Ultimatum” (Universal)
Scott Millan, David Parker and Kirk Francis
“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage)
Skip Lievsay, Craig Berkey, Greg Orloff and Peter Kurland
“Ratatouille” (Walt Disney)
Randy Thom, Michael Semanick and Doc Kane
“3:10 to Yuma” (Lionsgate)
Paul Massey, David Giammarco and Jim Stuebe
“Transformers” (DreamWorks and Paramount in association with Hasbro)
Kevin O’Connell, Greg P. Russell and Peter J. Devlin

Achievement in visual effects

“The Golden Compass” (New Line in association with Ingenious Film Partners)
Michael Fink, Bill Westenhofer, Ben Morris and Trevor Wood

“Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End” (Walt Disney)
John Knoll, Hal Hickel, Charles Gibson and John Frazier
“Transformers” (DreamWorks and Paramount in association with Hasbro)
Scott Farrar, Scott Benza, Russell Earl and John Frazier

Adapted screenplay

“Atonement” (Focus Features)
Screenplay by Christopher Hampton
“Away from Her” (Lionsgate)
Written by Sarah Polley
“The Diving Bell and the Butterfly” (Miramax/Pathé Renn)
Screenplay by Ronald Harwood

“No Country for Old Men” (Miramax and Paramount Vantage)
Written for the screen by Joel Coen & Ethan Coen

“There Will Be Blood” (Paramount Vantage and Miramax)
Written for the screen by Paul Thomas Anderson

Original screenplay

“Juno” (Fox Searchlight)
Written by Diablo Cody
“Lars and the Real Girl” (MGM)
Written by Nancy Oliver
“Michael Clayton” (Warner Bros.)
Written by Tony Gilroy
“Ratatouille” (Walt Disney)
Screenplay by Brad Bird
Story by Jan Pinkava, Jim Capobianco, Brad Bird
“The Savages” (Fox Searchlight)
Written by Tamara Jenkins

JBL 4645
01-22-2008, 07:35 AM
Well this is going to be a stiff competition in the sound effects category.

Transformers everyone’s favourite film for bass sub bass and LFE.1, will this be Kevin O’Connell’s year, or will Oscar snuff him once again?

“Transformers” (DreamWorks and Paramount in association with Hasbro)
Kevin O’Connell, Greg P. Russell and Peter J. Devlin

This was a great sounding action flick as they come for the summertime last year, and set in what better place to view it hear it and feel, was the Empire Leicester square, even if the dialogue was wooden who cares, it was great fun for the audio fans.:) Sure sold a few DVD’s I bet that made Paramount Pictures happy.

Another contender is Surf’s Up yeah “let the wave do the work” surfing penguins rule the waves.:)

“Surf's Up” (Sony Pictures Releasing) Ash Brannon and Chris Buck

Hmm, Michael Moore “Sicko” any takes on him, and if so, will he do another speech for his own, personal propaganda, like last time.:D

JBL 4645
01-26-2008, 10:11 AM
Juts gave, Die Another Day (2002) a spin for a few moments some action highlights


One particular scene where a rail track carriage is coming down the tube, in the underground sequence rumbled without colouring the sub bass or LFE.1 was pleasantly felt, in the sofa, but could have been a bit more, if I had customized floor laid over the concrete flooring.



Depth is down to around 25Hz during certain action moments, JBL control 5 are playing as they where when I first set them up with the DCX2496 last year, but then experimented with a JBL control 1 as mid range top. This time around it’s just crossed off at 1KHz on the bass mid HF starts at 1.60KHz with a modest low level amplification at present, due to the wall surfaces, having high reflectivity.



Sound imaging was neat over LCR dialogue was clearly understood, if not a bit distant, but I’m sure that will change over the course of the year, with some absorption on the side and rear walls.

Peak level was a bit hard to tell with a parcel flat battery, I was getting peaks at one point around 107dbc at seating position, it wasn’t loud it was kinder comfortable.

I’ve swapped the disc over for Cat People (1982) now see how that turns out, the Dolby stereo mix is a bit on the quite side, but has some nice bass rhythm in it by, (Giorgio Moroder). Meow.:D

JBL 4645
01-27-2008, 12:54 PM


High octane action adventure that’s bought to you by Rob Cohen of Dragon, Dragonheart and Daylight comes XXX. For a while NSA agents have been dropping like flies, so now they need a new operative that is expendable, daring and willing enough.



Xander Cage played by fast and (The Fast and the Furious) Vin Diesel has all the right moves plus the attitude that Agent Augustus Gibbons played (Star Wars episode 3 Revenge of the Sith) Samuel L. Jackson.





Picture farmed 2.35:1 and with anamorphic lenses, which rarely used today,
looked stunningly marvellous throughout the entire picture.

Sound was quite a ride a bit (LFE.1 heavy) and with the concrete floor, helped to remain tight and taught, while lots and lots of directionality moved over the three-screen JBL control 5 and along the sidewall JBL control 1 and centre back surrounds as well.


JBL 4645
01-27-2008, 01:05 PM

Depth of the expulsions at the Columbian drug ring, with a hut ripping apart, with an almighty kaboom! 112dbc! Yes I know but oddly enough I only do this in the daytime, and it felt good too.



The avalanche sequence was ride that rumbled with warmth that was pressing on me, in the sofa, just like the re-recording mixers intended, mostly down at 40Hz with the occasional 25Hz seeping in now and then. I failed to take an SPL db reading during this sequence, oh well next time around, as this film, as many good sound bite moments to chose from.







Xander in last minute must prevent a chemical weapon, from wiping out Prague, before millions are killed; all works out well in the end, with Xander enjoying the sweet life in the tropics.


If you’ve got the time rent this one out, it won’t disappoint those JBL or if you’re feeling daring buy it, this one only cost me £3.00, worth the trip.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295701/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295701/)

JBL 4645
02-09-2008, 06:11 AM

Best sounding moments with JBL well, there are many so many, so I’ll pick the science fiction thriller Hollowman (2000) for its excellent craft in visual effects and sound effects editing, that has some creepy directional sounds moving around the viewer.


Notably the moment where Linda uses the canister has flamethrower to fight the deranged and dangerous Sebastian, off with devastating results of burns to his body, and the whole underground facility, getting damaged at the same time though, Linda’s rage of fury.


When Sebastian has removed all his clothing, leaving a hand full of ashes on the floor, and once again his appearance, is obscure, you don’t know if he had time to run around Linda to surprise her? So she then looks around then upwards towards the (fire water suppression system). With a short burst of flame, the sprinkler is activated sending commands to each sprinkler down the corridor.


This starts at centre channel the fans outwards over matching LCR then onto the centre back surrounds if you happen to be using centre back surrounds in your home cinema. You still get a fine result with standardized stereo surround configuration, but its far more exciting and entertaining with centre back surrounds.



Once the sprinklers are working and dispersing water everywhere, with droplets landing on the concrete flooring that sounds like mild pink noise, the rest of the action KICKS back in with some laughable almost insane comic action.

Check it or but it it’s a blast of film.

JBL 4645
02-20-2008, 07:08 PM
It’s highly charged up high octave fast paced action adventure. Yes, Jason Bourne is back move over, 007.



The opening takes us back where the first film end with Bourne fleeing the scene while being pursued though the streets wounded. Where after we move to the present day where the CIA is still trying to hunt down Bourne before he kills one of CIA operatives, but Bourne could really care less about that no more he’s looking for the answers, the answers that would made him what is now.

Film editing is extremely while done in this final conclusion, that’s up for an Oscar nomination for (Universal) Christopher Rouse.

Doors always make good sound-effects in films as this one clearly opens to left front one of the major benefits to have matching fronts LCR because timbre matching is extremely crucial to film sound art.


Sound effects editing (Universal) Karen Baker Landers and Per Hallberg and what a clash of superbly crafted and engineered effects that really stuck me in the centre of the films non-stop action, even the subtle sound effects kept me intensified, with heavy duty Foley body face punches and lots and lots of Bourne crashing though windows headfirst, even as far as running a car at high speed in reverse of a rooftop!

Lots of hand-to-hand combat and some wicked stunt work, that look so painful, as each CIA operative tries to stop Bourne dead in his tracks.


Its also up for best achievement in sound for (Universal) Scott Millan, David Parker and Kirk Francis, and after hearing this felling the impacts, I’d say Kevin O’Connell has some stiff competition with this one, if he’s lucky The Bourne Ultimatum might just walk away with sound effects editing and Kevin and Rick might walk away for best sound achievement for Transformers, we shall see this Sunday?


One of the assassins does away with CIA operative while Bourne tries to warn! Just moments too late, the sound of the explosion rumbled as it faded out with a nice reverb in the surrounding streets as on looking people rush o the scene.



Score by John Powell was nice hear again and Moby Extreme Ways which is now a kind of trademark with the Bourne films. I think this is one KM Kennedy Marshall best productions and contributions in there partnership. It’s nice that director Paul Greengrass has kept with the project as one director should do.


Good surround sound moment as Bourne jumps though an opening window with frantic woman screaming and yelling as the sound moves from centre front to left then side surrounds then on to the centre back surround very fast sound effects editing.



Extreme Ways (Bourne's Ultimatum) - Moby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdQ09L3Xotc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdQ09L3Xotc)

JBL 4645
02-20-2008, 07:31 PM
Some nice lows in this film that ranged from assorted body types of kicks face hits and flying though the air smashing straight though glass and explosions that partly shuddered the sofa with pleasing vibration.

I noted the car flying of the roof at 25Hz upon impacting into a load parked vehicles below, Bourne has one hell of death-wish is all I can say, you’d have to be completely off your trolley or very desperate to escape those who are trying to hunt you down.


Bourne has a lot of cheek to spy on Pam from one many of high raise building windows, you’d think she’ll know by now, when having a phone conversation with Bourne, he could be standing right behind you!




Another good example was the London underground tube station that sounded just like it was supposed to having travailed many times on the tube rumbled away on the JBL 4645 at 25Hz has Bourne was perusing an (assassin like-him-self gave).

Image framed at 2.35:1 scope by Oliver Wood; again for DVD this was spot on, clear and viewable thought with natural tones of colourization while contrast kept image shape. Brightness also was nicely toned for the dark shadowing and some nice lenses flares techniques.





After confronting the man reasonable for creating Jason Bourne into the killing assassin monster that he’s become, Bourne then comes to his senses no more killing, he’d rather see them all go down legally in the courts then shed more blood.



Have to give this Bourne a thumps up well worth the money and full of DVD extras which I will explore later on with

Audio commentary with Paul Greengrass
Man on the Move Jason Bourne
Rooftop Purest
Planning the Punches
Driving School
New York Chase
Deleted Scenes

02-23-2008, 11:34 AM
Excuse me jbl4645, but aren't you violating copyright law on those movies?

02-23-2008, 11:43 AM
Excuse me jbl4645, but aren't you violating copyright law on those movies?

He is a reviewer pointing out why these movies are worth buying.
He is not getting paid for posting the pictures, or for doing the reviews.
Its called viral marketing - generating a "buzz" in a product.

First time poster and you start out like that??

Are you a lawyer, or perhaps Leonard Maltin's agent?

02-23-2008, 12:08 PM
He is a reviewer pointing out why these movies are worth buying.
He is not getting paid for posting the pictures, or for doing the reviews.
Its called viral marketing - generating a "buzz" in a product.

First time poster and you start out like that??

Are you a lawyer, or perhaps Leonard Maltin's agent?
Sorry, forgot to introduce myself. Long time lurker, first time poster. No lawyer or agent of any kind.
At the beginning of those DVDs, it says, "The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted material is illegal.". Copy of images from the movie is reproduction, isn't it? I wouldn't need to ask if I am a lawyer.

02-23-2008, 02:45 PM
No lawyer or agent of any kind.
I wouldn't need to ask if I am a lawyer.

If you aren't a lawyer, what's the POINT of asking?
nearly a hundred posts into this thread and NOW you ask??

How about a change - lets get back on topic ...
what kind of gear do you use to play movies at home?

Stereo, 5.1 or 7.1?
Dolby or DTS?
Got JBLs?

02-23-2008, 03:22 PM

why do lawyers wear suits ? ....so you can tell the difference between them
and the criminal in the dock. Anyway, do you really want to get into a debate about copyright law. Simulacra anyone ?:p

Yep , so where does the notion of "COPY" start and end . The virtual us !


JBL 4645
04-30-2008, 12:45 PM


Not a bad reworking of The Omega Man (1971) at that originally starred the late (Charlton Heston) (1923-2008) this remake stars (Will Smith) Robert Neville as last survivor on earth who has discovered that he’s immune from a deadly virus that has wiped out all but the night crawling zombies that now roam the streets at night.


Image framed at 2.40:1 on this region 2 DVD is very delightfully textured in colour and skin tones, contrast, brightness where all eye popping on the daylight scenes as well as holding up in some of the dark shadowy sequences in underground where he chases after a mutated deer



Sound presented here Dolby stereo digital 5.1 was fantastic particularly during the silent opening of the film with birds tweeting and echoing all-around had very natural acoustical quality on the JBL control 1 that where used with centre back, provided a total wrap around feeling.


I kinder negated to take an in-room-frequency response of some of the high dynamic moments, but I’m sure it was down to 25Hz on most LFE.1 when Neville rigs the neighbourhood with enough explosives for demolition job shakes his home foundations, as too my room as well.

Fronts LCR had a little audio limiting set and while turning off the sub bass LCRS extension, they produced a nice warm tone on the main title “I Am Legend” some of the bass over the JBL control 5 also had clear loud dialogue reproduction.


LFE.1 was sparingly used in this film which is why the LCR are important in the cinema with matching large arrays that can easily reach down to 40Hz in some cinemas or even below in special cinemas such as THX. When it was called for the JBL 4645 handled the ability again without effort and with ease.


James Newton Howard also gives a nice touching score that has tense moments of drama and action as well as some nice melody and harmonistic moments.


Disc1 Original realise of film
Digital download copy with each special edition DVD
4 awesome animated comics death as a gift, isolation sacrificing the few for Mary Shelter

Disc 2 and
-Never before seen alternate ending,
-cautionary tale the science of I Am Legend exploring the history and current status of life-threatening viral infections
DVD-ROM*PC Weblink to intense bonus material databank including ‘creating I Am Legend’ mini- documentary gallery, with nearly 50 minutes of behind-the-scenes material.

JBL 4645
05-01-2008, 06:50 AM
I liked “I Am Legend” (2007) where Neville takes a grenade and pulls the pin, then rashes at one of the night crawling ghouls with slam of LFE.1 that that was practically felt.

In-room-frequency response showed up on the Technics SH-8055 in first order of peaks at.

Individual monitoring levels over LCR showed on playback

Left 87dbc
Centre 82dbc
Right 82dbc

Left summed with sub bass 97dbc
Centre summed with sub bass 89dbc
Right summed with sub bass 97dbc


Surrounds 88dbc

Surrounds summed with sub bass 92dbc

LCRS summed with sub bass 103dbc

LCR LFE.1 105dbc

I like the way the stings pick up in James Newton Howard’s score, as you know he’s going to go though with it, without another moments thought.


LCRS summed with sub bass 102dbc yes I’m not blind I can see what’s happening here!

LCRS LFE.1 105dbc

LCRS summed with sub bass and LFE.1 108dbc


Monitoring the LFE.1 on its own sounded like a fast sine wave sweep just milliseconds after the first hard slam explosion. The LFE.1 mostly peaked at 40Hz very high over the other channels.


The sound of the flames washed over me uniformly with fronts LCR carrying the rest of the low end as it was only the slam on the LFE.1 just as Neville makes contact with one of the darkseekers!!


Input level on FBQ2496 was -12db with THX bass peak limiter set at 0db master fader 0db.

05-01-2008, 07:44 AM
Will Smith - cgi "action film" blahhhh - go find the ORIGINAL with Vincent Price!

1964 - The Last Man on Earth: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/

Or see the remake with Charleton Heston -
1971 - The Omega Man: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067525/

All 3 are based on the novel "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson

JBL 4645
05-01-2008, 10:55 AM
Will Smith - cgi "action film" blahhhh - go find the ORIGINAL with Vincent Price!

1964 - The Last Man on Earth: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/

Or see the remake with Charleton Heston -
1971 - The Omega Man: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067525/

All 3 are based on the novel "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson

Isn’t there any film you like Heather???:D Hay this is open for others to talk about, so get your SPL db meter and watch a film that you, like and then do some screen captures to disserve how it performed on your, JBL set-up, I’m egger to hear about it.

Also I think there was less GCI in this given the running time and not too crazy about (GCI) but that’s the world computer programmers have made this into what is now called the norm, boy I miss the days of photochemical effects.

As for The Omega Man I’ve seen it a dozen times on TV and on VHS PAL widescreen many years ago. I’ve been told as much about The Las Man, there is a slim chance I will ever get around to seeing it.

05-01-2008, 11:18 AM
Sure - I like lots of films - for all different kind of reasons ... but - we get maybe 2-3 films a week via Netflicks so we watch stuff all over the map

Isn’t there any film you like Heather???:D Hey this is open for others to talk about, so get your SPL db meter and watch a film that you like, and then do some screen captures to describe how it performed on your JBL set-up. I’m eager to hear about it.

The more recent films included:

The Lavender Hill Mob (1951 - an Alec Guiness 'caper" film) - very funny

Sweeney Todd (2007 - Johnny Depp) - too gorey for a musical - not enjoyable

The Memory of a Killer (2003 - aka The Alzheimer Affair) - excellent thriller

(plus we've been working through Season 1 of "the Wire" a Baltimore based police procedural show - quite good)

other films in the last couple months included Die Hard 2 & 4, Equilibrium and American Psycho, Notes on a Scandal, Mr & Mrs Smith, Balls of Fury, Across the Universe ...

But, I am SO tired of films that exist strictly as poor redone remakes of something else - Tim Burton comes to mind (that Useless remake of Planet of the Apes), and - Will Smith movies have been a big target (I, Robot - UGH!, Wild Wild West? - burn it! ) ... but, I'll admit, I did like Men In Black ...

JBL 4645
05-01-2008, 12:16 PM
Now there’s a title I also happen to have Men in Black (1997) so please I’d like to know in full how it handles on each and ever JBL in the room as that has nicely mixed soundtrack. I might buy Sweeny Todd just for its diabolically laughs seen the trailer which proceeded before I Am Legend. Seen a few youtube videos and I like when Helen says “Poor bugger” LOL :rotfl:

You know there is somewhere in the region of few million movies worldwide something like 5 million? If you had a load of computer hard drives where on earth are you going to stick it all! Because it would take thousands of hard drives and an impossible viewing, because you’d never be able to watch them all and keep up with the new releases at the same time not even if you lived for 4 life times.

05-01-2008, 12:19 PM
whatever ...

Now I like when Helen says “Poor bugger” LOL :rotfl:

JBL 4645
05-01-2008, 12:31 PM
whatever ...

Anyway I’m looking at another viral film from the past that sounds wicked coming soon, see if you can’t guess the name of the title?

Poor Bugger :rotfl:

JBL 4645
05-02-2008, 12:38 PM

L.A. confidential (1997) chapter 18 to 19 the shotout with Ed, chasseing down an armed gunman to an elevator only to end with thunderous shotgun blast on the LFE.1 and high peak at 40Hz that vibrated the sofa with pleasing results from the JBL 4645.

Time 59minites 40 seconds SPL db peaked at a modest 108dbc that was plentifully at 10 feet 6” away from the fronts.

You know what the visual moment looks like via the screen capture as I don’t have room on my pc for waterfall due to CPU memory.

Most of the shotguns and handguns shooting out just moments before Ed shoved the shotgun in-between the elevator door was mostly covered by the centre channel with decent low end between 20Hz and 80Hz while the thunderclap was saved for the best climatic moment.

Jerry Goldsmith’s score was heard on the LCRS.

Foley was pucker with footsteps running down the narrow hallway, while one of gunmen pushes someone down to the floor at the far end, next to elevator that was felt, classic moment.






Shotgun blast KABOOM!!!59minites 40seconds 108dbc 40Hz peak!

Then it thunders onto the centre back surrounds while fading away.

JBL 4645
05-13-2008, 05:52 PM
Well I’ve had a look to see if I had enough memory on the pc to store spectrumlab and so here’s my first attempt, the graph, kinder looks a bit off slightly, that is, something must be slightly out be a few settings but it looks okay to.

At 1m:14s sonic booms of the space shuttle is heard!


The input to the pc was direct from the LFE.1 and only the LFE.1 signal no bass management was used here. The spectrum colour setting I’ve used is (too_many_colours). I’ll take a few more from "The Dream is Alive" in a jiffy.

JBL 4645
05-13-2008, 06:15 PM
Here is another frequency spectrum analysis of the LFE.1 its looks like an almighty holy mess as the main-three-engines fire up followed by the thunderous roar of the twin SRB or Sub Rumbling Bass, as I like to refer it to.


JBL 4645
05-13-2008, 06:50 PM
Second lift-off of the space shuttle was far greater in loudness on the LFE.1 so don’t get too carried away, exercise extreme caution and if your sub can handle the peaks for the short, but rather abrupt launch, it should reach as high over at +110db or best 120dbc.

At 24m:29s main engines starts on the space shuttle at 29m:38s SRB fires propelling the shuttle upwards with an (alight mighty) thunderously deep rumble.


JBL 4645
05-13-2008, 10:36 PM
Here’s a few frequency spectrum analysis from the John Carpenter (1984) sleeper Starman it’s got touching story that will have you reaching for the tissues at the end.

The opening of the movie starts with the historical last launching of Voyager 2 that is sent out into the cosmos to explore for intelligent-life-forms. The sound of the rocket is heard while being felt on the LFE.1 with little extra boost to accompany the LCR fronts full range.

Voyager 2 is heard panning from far left front then pans over into centre then right while playing (the rolling stones) “I can’t get no satisfaction.” As fades off to far right a deep rumbling low end of the planet is felt as Voyager 2 travels deeper into the planet the rumble grows louder.



(Karen Allen) Jenny helps the Jeff Bridges starman who has cloned himself into the form of her dead husband. He has three-days to journey to Arizona to be picked up or he will die. Along on the journey Jenny revives memoirs and the starman discovers, slang words like, “up yours” and “take it easy” and most all love.


Starman crash lands on Earth after being shot down by a military aircraft.


After realising deer back into the wilderness after giving it back life, a deer hunter and few of his buddies come out of from a dinner and start beating starman up! Helps to fight-back, Jenny goes to glove-compartment and reaches for the Colt-45 and fires, several warning shots into the air!


With Jenny and Starman on the run from the cops just after Jenny was shot, starman rams the car straight though the road block into petrol tanker, where it erupts into huge fireball.


While Jenny and starman run deeper down into the crater at Arizona, after ignoring several warning shots from helicopters to stop! A large large spherical silver ball descends down over the crater. Helicopters flyby overhead on the monaural surrounds to fronts LCR while LFE.1 accompanies them with fast burst of LFE.1 channel.


Starman says goodbye to Jenny and slowly walks of while the sphere hovers overhead, as starman looks back for one final moments glance at Jenny he purses directly underneath the sphere, which then slowly departs away with deep low rumbling sound.


I’ve taken liberty to use what is called (Sw-Re-Mix) that sends the low end from LCRS crossed off at 80Hz to the sub, most of the deep lower octave bass mostly comes from the centre channel and Jack Nizsche score is wonderful closing end credit theme.


JBL 4645
05-14-2008, 01:35 PM
D.A.R.Y.L. (1985) is Data Artificial Robot Youth Lifeform towards the last 17 minutes of the film Daryl steals and SR-71 Blackbird here are few frequency spectrum charts.

D.A.R.Y.L. was presented in Dolby stereo 4:2:4 sw-re-mix was turned ON. If Dolby dts 5.1 is used the sw-re-mix is turned OFF.

The low end isn’t totally low end, but it’s still felt never the less.

A mild Marvin Hemlisch score brings D.A.R.Y.L. face to face with an SR-71 Blackbird. Afterburners fire-up in the aircraft hanger and then heard paned to the right while observers see the aircraft taxing out of the hanger.


Several flybys of the SR-71 and few mild sonic booms thunder around the room.

A built-in self-destruct-mechanism has been installed into the SR-71 just before the destruction of the aircraft D.A.R.Y.L. ejects and lands into lake, the impact into the water wasn’t very deep but it was good enough.


JBL 4645
05-15-2008, 12:59 PM
Earthquake from (1974) LFE.1 only and "new, deep rumble" of this classic sub bass granddaddy Earthquake (1974) (((sensurround))) I saw this at least three times for 79p LOL.


House on the hill Earthquake goes for rolling down the hill!


The elevator lift sequence “new deep rumble” the Elevator lift sequence I patched the centre channel into the Spectrumlab as there is new, deep rumble in the centre channel. Always use matching LCR fronts! Turn off the gas! Some Muppet forget he’s chain smoker and takes out the whole house with an abrupt explosion! Just when the earthquake stops to and ear deafening stillness of silence!


JBL 4645
05-15-2008, 01:00 PM
Arachnophobia (1989) sub bass low centre channel I’ve patched the centre channel into the audio mixer so I can switch between centre and LFE.1, where LFE.1 only comes into play a few times in the film, a good THX sound system cinema like UCI High Wycombe. Five-screen JBL 4675-A 2x JBL 4645 subs.

The opening at UCI High Wycombe was deep it was practically pressing on my chest and in my stomach, it was deep!



Bitten by the deadest lethal spider Manley goes into shock, that has deep Trevor Jones score.


Here is an LFE.1 moment and most of the LFE.1 in this film is sparingly used most of the low end is covered by the LCR fronts.


JBL 4645
05-15-2008, 04:06 PM
What Lies Beneath (2000) is on kinder of Hitchcock thriller only with Robert Zemeckis at the helm with Harrison Ford and Michelle Pfeiffer and deep mastery that lies in sub bass register low end that JBL does a nice job at reproducing the thrilling performance.

LFE.1 I knew this one sounded and felt low http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/eek.gif when I played it several years back. The bathtub sequence is freaky where Norman sees terrifying image that makes him jolt backwards and banging his head on the side bathroom sink, wham! Play this at soft level at first because the amount of low end just leaps out!


I patched the left and right into the audio mixer and monitored the level which carries enough low end to support the scene.


Again I patched the centre channel into the audio mixer similar levels its best to run the LCRS with its own sub bass to extend it further and several more for the LFE.1.


Centre channel only, Claire struggles with the door thumping it pounding it and the low end is just wow. That is until the sail on the boat slips though the windshield on the truck and falls to the bottom of the lake with huge deep low and level as well.


Playing what leads up to the last point only LFE.1 this time.


JBL 4645
05-16-2008, 01:47 PM
Here’s spectrum waterfall sub bass extension LCRS from the original Star Trek the motion picture transferred from the laserdisc to DVD-RW, screen capture images taken from the region 2 DVD version. I used the sw-re-mix to divert the low end, if this where a Dolby dts 5.1 mix I’ll be using the LFE.1 directly.

A few nice pluses are felt though this Dolby stereo 4:2:4 similar to what I experienced in the Empire 1, the home is different situation and now I have visual representation i might try some improvements. “A whole new approach.”











JBL 4645
05-16-2008, 01:48 PM









Coming soon Star Trek II the Wrath of Khan in full six-track Dolby stereo digital 5.1…

JBL 4645
05-16-2008, 05:51 PM
The opening titles when first experiencing this in 70mm six-track Dolby stereo JBL THX sound system at the Empire Leicester Square 19 years ago is still very fresh in my head and on my body, in the home its different matter altogether.

I took a few spectrumlab waterfall graphs of the laserdisc for compassion of several scenes. What was felt in the Empire on October 8th 1989 is still very fresh in my head and on my body that was wicked bass and sub bass that I never thought could possibly get any deeper or louder.




JBL 4645
05-16-2008, 05:53 PM
Just played a few moments from the region 2 DVD six-track Dolby stereo digital is good enough for me that good enough low end.

Played the first few moments over a few times, one at LFE.1 0db the other at -10db and its more or less the same, expect it would be far less, louder in the room.


The freighter-ship passing by was deep and low 0db LFE.1.


JBL 4645
05-16-2008, 06:58 PM
Presumed Innocent (1990) Dolby stereo 4:2:4 had a few lows or two now and then, but this is mostly a dialogue orientated film, but I do seem to remember this playing at the Warner West End in THX when reading though Time Out magazine.

Chapter 4 the elevator scene

JBL 4645
05-16-2008, 07:00 PM
Space Cowboys (2000) Centrifuge trainer has a few deep pulses that whip by while most low end is carried over the LCR, I’ll monitor that part later on.


05-16-2008, 07:54 PM
Ashley , whats all that coloured stuff ? Oh and the lines ?

JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 10:53 AM
Ashley , whats all that coloured stuff ? Oh and the lines ?


afternoon there.:)

Like Roy Batty in Blade Runner said “questions.” :D

Well it’s called “waterfall” that the technical term given to the large colour area that has numbers traced above from (0Hz up to 120Hz). it was kinder hard for me to understand how it worked hen I first glanced at it on the AVS site??

I always referred to has “predator vision” because it reminded me of that systematic killing alien running around that had this (heat vision) that allowed him to see a light spectrum that wasn’t quite visible to our own.

The pink areas show a hard bass sub bass or infrasonic frequency range, in the frequency spectrum. In a way its seeing a lot lower than my basic Technics SH-8055 EQ (RTA).

For the direct link to the download page of the file itself!
http://dl4yhf.SSL7.com/speclab/install_speclab.zip (http://dl4yhf.ssl7.com/speclab/install_speclab.zip)

I think this program was originally designed for (Ham the radio amateur) use as it has LSB and USB Upper Side Band and Lower Side Band and I remember using these (modes) when I was on the CB radio back in the 1980’s.

The red arrows and the images from my rough account, is pointing to more or less where the frequency starts at.

One of the frightening ones is What Lies Beneath (2000) I knew this film had wicked low end when I played it back in (2001) but I always fought it was down to around 25Hz. in most cases its got common frequency range down to 25Hz, but in some cases it goes a bit further and no wonder my Kenwood KRF-9050D THX select kept shutting down, due to the centre channel or the LCR fronts, where being overdriven and the thermal heat protection was shutting down the AVR.

I hope that more or less put it into perspective for you, because I’m not fiddling around with anything else on this program its way more complicated than my Cobra 148GTL-DX CB from the 1980’s and I don’t what to have to uninstall the program and reinstall it because I can’t remember what button I pressed?

To get a spectrum graph chat from any of your music or film sources, just upload the program and adjust the colour frequency spectrum that is indicated on the (left-hand-side) it has some variable numbers above like (-60.0db -35.0db).

If you left click it should bring up menu of colours, I personally selected (too_many_colours) and adjusted the contrast and brightness controls above the (colour spectrum) indicated as (B and C) contrast and brightness until it matched close or near to what everyone else was using to show there own frequency analysis of film and music soundtracks low end.

There are some numbers that need to be inputted below the (colour spectrum) left click and you’ll see a little box pop-up! I key in the numbers that most had displayed on there graph charts as, -60 and -20 in the top left-hand-side smaller boxes and applied.

A basic lead from the subwoofer output or even the left and right output of tape CD 8 track laserdisc DVD or even (microphone and preamplifier) connected to the microphone input on the pc will work.

There is (pause) and (continue) button indicated on the (left-hand-side) that will allow the spectrum to move downwards, while tracing the frequency spectrum frequency response.

What I do after I’ve captured the (data) is use print screen while the spectrumlab is on full screen. The (print screen) button should be indicated on the keyboard of pc, just press once and then go to (paint) and (paste) it and what I use next to edit the image down is the following…

(Select) a little square box that is dotted outlined I click on then apply it over the area that I want to save or capture the image as is. Then I click (copy) than click paint off. Save click NO. then open (paint) again and paste and what you should have is smaller area of the frequency spectrum that you copied.

Then I have to take the DVD from my DVD player after analyzing the frequency and mind you, I have at least 10 or 15 frequency graphs saved on the desk top screen by this time!

I then placed the DVD into the pc and start screen captures and once I’ve captured and detailed the everything out I have to go to the file where the DVD images are saved and stored and start editing down the size of anamorphic images (1.85:1 W/S and 2.35:1 scope) using the same functions more less like (paint).

There is button indicated called image I click on image and select (Stretch/Skew) and apply to vertical 75% to reduce the height to more or less the correct shape, then I repeat the process again and apply (50% to horizontal and 50% to vertical) to reduce the image down further.

I then save the image with basic name (Firefox DVD1) or (Space Cowboys centrifuge LFE.1 DVD1).

Next I pop over to the desk top and select the first frequency spectrum graph and go to Edit and select (Paste From) and search for the image file and then press Open and the image is applied to frequency graph chat while moving it around to find the best home for it on the page, and I repeat this until its okay.

I then hath to apply all this data to (photobucket) and I’ve created a new folder file now on my desk top, along with the dedicated (photobucket) link under new username so I can upload the files to share online.

The whole process from frequency spectrum analyst to DVD screen capture and editing as well as my naff text grammar, LOL takes me around an hour to several hours it depends if I’m do a few minutes or the entire feature length of motion picture soundtrack.

JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 10:56 AM
Dramatic moment from Firefox (1982) Gant now securely in the cockpit starts the aircraft up and fires up the powerful twin-main engines with thunderclap LFE.1 support, as soon as the warmed up he taxies it out of the aircraft hanger and then opens up the afterburners., and gets the hell of there. Go Gant!

The visual effects by John Dykstra is rush for the day and just barley still hold today, but this was the photochemical world, long before CGI.

So there’s a bit of low end down to 25Hz region which is more than loud enough. These where the days of the Road Show 70mm six-track Dolby stereo or Dolby 5.1, because I don’t want to confuse the issue.


JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 11:21 AM
The LFE.1 only comes into play a few times during this tense sequence.

I gave L.A. Confidential another play in the early hours of today because I knew I could see huge peak on my (Technics SH-8055 RE RTA) around 40Hz and wanted to see what the spectrumlab can see also.

I played the scene over a few times chapter (18 into chapter 19) one was with the LFE.1 devoid from any other interruption like (bass management) the narrow lines show where the LFE.1 kicks in for few brief moments and should blend in with LCRS low end.

The other frequency graph shows the LFE.1 blended into or with LCRS or sw-re-mix has it is called on the (Kenwood KRF-9050D THX select) there is slight confusion that can be misleading because it has the Jerry Goldsmith score and Foley effects and sound effects of weaponry gunshots and shotguns, where some cover the LCR and on few other shots the LFE.1 comes into play to support the scene with bit more low end.

The sub bass extra was only supported by the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo “Baby Boom” Star Wars and Close Encounters of the third kind where among the first to support this track that was covered by two tracks that where played over the five-screen as left-centre right-centre Dolby format 42.

During the later years it was reduced to a single sub bass track because why use two tracks to play the same signal when you can have a stack of sub bass speakers to reproduce it! 1978 saw Superman the movie with stereo split-surrounds and singular sub bass track or Dolby format 43.

From what I can remember as projectionist looking at Dolby CP65 that only supported Dolby 42 as well as Dolby A and SR and none-sync and few AUX buttons, was that a few films where still being produced ether for Dolby format 42 or the rare Dolby 43 that had stereo split-surrounds, and only a few handful where produced since 1978 and the late 1990’s until 70mm phased out of the grand Road Show realise, leaving Dolby SR-D securely assured for future film playback and its competition like dts and SDDS8.

Dolby digital cinema is the new wave to the future now and I’ve only seen two films “The Spy Who Loved Me” and “Leatherheads.” I somehow miss the Road Show 70mm there was something special about the way it sounded on magnetic.


Sw-re-mix used again on the same scene it’s a combination of LCRS effects and Jerry Goldsmith’s trilling score pounding away with brilliance.


JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 12:25 PM
Here is frequency waterfall graph from Star Trek II the Wrath of Khan, Khannn! Khannn! Khannn! :D

There’s a mild part dropping below 25Hz and slightly below 20Hz and it feels like an earthquake and volcano eruption on the Enterprise as explosions go off at left centre right and few on the surrounds at different intervals while the LFE.1 adds shuddering depth of low end authority.


JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 02:35 PM
Frequency waterfall graph from a few dramatic moments from Star Trek III the search for Spock (1984)

The LFE.1 here shows the space dock doors opening on the LFE.1 but this only happens a few seconds after a huge slam of depth on the centre channel, it mealy extends the trilling excitement of film.


Here you can see the same scene again only this frequency graph of the centre channel of the space dock doors (slam) at the Empire it was HUGE it had creditable weight of mass on the JBL 4675-A THX.


Again the same scene shows only the left and right fronts, along with the centre there is James Horner’s score that beats away at you in the chest and stomach in the Empire via the JBL THX sound system, it felt so real it seemed so real it seemed as I was there.


The death of the U.S.S. Enterprise LFE.1 only comes in for a few brief moments while the LCR really do most of the hard work throughout the running time of the film. It felt like someone grabbed me, by the head and brought there knee up into my face, that is what it felt like at the Empire on Sunday October 8th 1989 and that was only 13KW of THX JBL sound power!


Again same scene this show the centre channel in action, so matching fronts LCR is Paramount because of the surprise they can deliver and clarity.


The left and right fronts have different sound over Dolby stereo 4:2:4 the discrete Dolby stereo digital 5.1 mix is awesome on this film.


The death of the Genesis Planet and most of what preceded it, is really hard core, well for the time it was and I have seen this film projected in at least three different cinema auditoriums and seen it so many times on VHS widescreen Dolby stereo 4:2:4, but what the Empire delivered was many times beyond many times over.


In the home, this is a different kittle of fish entirely, so its all trial and error, Empire holds the golden key to that perfection.

JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 03:56 PM
The opening has submersible descending down the grand ole lady of the ocean while most of the depth is covered by the centre channel that reradiates outwards in the cinema and good pucker home cinema should have matching fronts with exceptionally good frequency response and if that isn’t doable then matching arrays of subs placed underneath the at the front and assigned to receive different signals from the LCRS and a separate LFE.1 array, yeah we’re talk a lot of subs.

Titanic departs from Southampton on her maiden voyage, with doom looming in the front of voyage in the form of an iceberg. The LFE.1 kicks in nicely to support the massive weight of SPL db coming from the JBL 4675-A which is the most common cinema THX approved stage loudspeaker system. In the home some may be running with top dog names like JBL or B&W or other that the ability to deliver stunning results in the home.


JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 05:36 PM
Well a member over the AVS site just showed me a way to fix the pixel issue that hasn’t been bothering me that much, expect it did look a bit off, with the (FTT) settings that was set to 1 rather than (8).

Well I’m not going to change the pervious settings. We learn from our mistakes by those who can teach to others.;) My hat is off to lfe man over on the AVS fourm.

Frequency waterfall graph of John Williams score for Presumed Innocent end credits. Oh, much, much clearer, that’s pucker that is spot on pucker. Sw-re-mix is used has this is only Dolby stereo 4:2:4 mix.


JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 06:43 PM
Yeah call me a nostalgic person I like catching up with classic, six-track Dolby stereo films http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/tongue.gif Disney’s The Black Hole (1979) has more than enough low end support to give you sweaty palms.

This graph is of the LFE.1 only to my memory the LCR has quite a bit of low end rumbling away as well.

I’m going to try an in-room graph chat reading in the daytime and see how well it fairs with the ECM8000 compared with the direct graph readings, from the sub bass output.


JBL 4645
05-17-2008, 08:06 PM
K-19 the Widowmaker (2002) chapter 5 “crash depth.” 0: 36m: 51s

As Axexei Vostrilkov gives the command for maximum operational depth of the boat, Mikhail Polenin is against these orders fearing it’s an unwilling risk for the boat and its crew. The depth of the low end smoothly builds up in level and frequency depth to give the viewer an approximation. Now I’ve had small drop of water poured into my ear as hearing test many years ago and was told it would simulate the pressure of around 20 or 30Hz and it was quite discomforting while frequency sine wave test was conducted.

Litres of water in buckets placed onto top of ones head and you’ll soon get the general idea of what pressure means, a few tons, forget it.

This was LFE.1 only and even the LCR and S I think have serious low end that can bring the home cinema to clipping depth!


JBL 4645
05-24-2008, 09:19 PM
Here are few moments from a classic Apocalypse Now (1979) version and the (2002) version Redux.

Frequency waterfall response was taken directly from the LFE.1 output only, and seeing its rather early hours there is no flipping way I’m firing up all the subs, as well as taking waterfall graphs of the LCRS there’s plenty on the LFE.1 thou it should be used with a “pinch of slat” otherwise the whole soundtrack will be holy mess of overwhelmed LFE.1 mudding up the rest of the bass and sub bass, it should merely accompany the mix.

Two graphs one is the first edition DVD realised by Paramount Pictures around (2000) on region 2 DVD. Note the difference in the range between the Redux (2001) version and the arc light sequence of B-52 bombings, thundering in the distance with alarming results. This is at the start of chapter 4 on both versions.



JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:18 AM
This one kinder pushed the level as well as the frequency up a bit high and the first time I played this in the home, after the pants showing at the Odeon Westover road screen 1 (2002) that didn’t even have one single creditable impact to WOW the audience, it scared the living daylights out of me, (in the home) and I forget which amplifier I was using for the JBL4645 at the time, but not one single issue, just one almighty, tremendous impact on my body, now then.


JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:19 AM
Opening moments that wowed the audience as the huge star destroy fills the big screen with thunderous baby boom back in1977 via the 70mm print going though the ages of its evolutionally and controversial Dolby film mix where its fans have mixed views and well we ever see a Road Show 70mm Dolby stereo A type (format 42) version on DVD I think not.

LFE.1 only direct from subwoofer output

Looks like its plain old fashion curtains for Alderaan as the Death Star unleashes its lethal power with devastating results.

LFE.1 only direct from subwoofer output

When I first played the DVD THX region 2 version of Star Wars episode 4 A New Hope September (2005) I thought the sub was going to give, but it kept on playing after a huge almighty 120dbc, it rumbled the wooden floorboards and rattle the hell out the kitchen window!

JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:24 AM
Red Planet (2000) region 2 DVD
Chapter 8 crash landing

I selected sw-re-mix combined with LFE.1 and LFE.1 only comes in a few times during the crash landing sequence in Red Planet, which has plentiful bass and sub bass though its primary five directional channels.


JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:25 AM
Apollo 13 dts THX laserdisc

Chapters 12 and 13

I’ve done a few dozen waterfall graph charts though chapters 11 12 and 13. this one shows the bass level in the centre channel as the fuel is being pumped along the manifolds to the Saturn V rocket. As the fuel is being pumped in, it creates a creaking sound that Fred Haise and Jack Swigert react too, as it moves from centre front and mildly on left and right and a bit louder on the split-surrounds, its got some depth also in the LFE.1 for brief moment.

Also some of low end in this brief waterfall is combination of effects and James Horner’s thrilling score.

Screen captures are from first edition region 2 DVD waterfall graphs are from the dts THX laserdisc.

JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:26 AM
The launch of Apollo 13 is nothing but thunderously loud and the mighty Saturn V climbs gracefully, as she clears the tower and heads outwards over the Atlantic Ocean skywards, while rolling and pitching her course on towards the moon. The LFE.1 is used few moments and with well balanced set-up it should be indistinguishable between the LCRS it shouldn’t draw attention to the LFE.1 when using combinations of subs playing different parts or independent parts of LCRS stacked up front with dedicated LFE.1 array of subs, it should blend in seamlessly.

As it cuts from exterior shots to some of the interior shots the fronts LCR LFE.1 are working quite hard on the dts THX laserdisc in full PCM.

LFE.1 is taken from the dts THX laserdisc while screen captures are from the region 2 first edition DVD.


JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:28 AM
Staging of the first part of Saturn V falls away with “little jolt” that made makes me, chuckle as its fairly hard, when on the edge of the seat, then being knocked back with pleasing surprise, the LFE.1 or even some portions of the low end that supports Apollo 13 is good enough, and its like the saying goes what you see is what you get. If I tested the same sequence from region 2 DVD I would say there is no way its going to beat the dts THX laserdisc PCM range.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

It would be interesting to compare with the dts-CD-ROM that interlocks with the 35mm print and get some waterfall graphs from that source for side by side comparison.

As Lovell engages the tower jet to remove the cover from the CM the low end is covered by the centre channel that really jolts or pluses with a shuddering effect, then as it moves clear from the Saturn V it heard on the far left front with thud, while LFE.1 accompanies it.


JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:29 AM
Daylight (1995) dts THX laserdisc

Don’t blame me if you never owned a laserdisc player there are plenty on eBay it may be the same reason why I don’t what HD-DVD or even Bluray, I’ll buy Bluray when there is good support of film titles and prices are cheap on the SONY Bluray sold here in the UK around £400.00 and ASDA prices for Bluray are around £15.00 to £20.00 which is slightly under what PAL laserdisc sold for in the UK 9 years ago, now then.

The tunnel sequence LFE.1 goes nuts on this pucker dts mix and a hard workout for the JBL 4645 that performs with cinematic loudness as well as depth that completely leaves the room in rubbles of falling debris, okay a slight exaggeration it’s a fair acoustical approximation.

Since I don’t own the film on DVD I don’t see the need to buy the DVD the dts THX laserdisc is enough to wow anyone or even someone who hasn’t seen the film or has but not on dts THX laserdisc.

Side 1 16m:18s though to chapter 9 18m:30s


JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:31 AM
Took this reading from the opening narration with the ECM8000 and MIC100 connected directly to the computer, and I found most refreshing. I’ll conduct further tests of, this experimentation. ECM8000 was placed 1m away from the LFE.1 sub bass, I’ll try it at the listening position and see how much it drops off by then compare it with the first waterfall graph at 1m.


The pulse on the dramatic drum beat at 2m: 27s I can feel a nice sensational feeling in the sofa that fades away, and away as the camera moves into the shipping dock yard.

I also tried standing at the back of the room standing up/ and with my back against the wall and whoa, no wonder it feels like an earthquake in the neighbours flat two floors down,http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif LOL, hey in the daytime I can do what ever I like, in the evening I tone the level down, on to give my ears a break is one thing. The low end just vibrated the wall, now then that’s just one single JBL 4646 sub, one is more than enough for the dedicated LFE.1 channel, in small room.

JBL 4645
05-25-2008, 02:32 AM
I’ve taken reading at the same distance and the level of it is ear popping at from where I was seated at the computer, I turned the level down which passes into the audio mixer LFE.1 and listened to the level from the five primary directional channels and then slowly raised the LFE.1 level up to where its peak output would be and left it there because it had more natural tone without overwhelming the rest of the film mix.


Here you can see a picture that I took within the past 15 20 minutes or so, to show just how easy it to set the microphone up, its no big deal, but it was fascinating.

Watch this youtube video The birth of Dolby 5.1 and Ioan Allen is right most do have it way too loud at home. LOL http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0baFYLrPcWU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0baFYLrPcWU)

05-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Last night we watched Youth without Youth, a new film by Francis Ford Coppola. It had an amazing LFE sub track - very rich and VERY deep. After one sequence where they showed a Nazi scientist experimenting with van de graf generators ans huge lightening bolts (and the sound of it arcing and crackling) I actually had to go reduce the levels on the Sub channel because I heard that glass-crack sound that I suspect is the mass ring smacking bottom. Scares the heck out of us!

Let it be a warning to you - the sub channel has a higher level relative to dialog than many other movies!

JBL 4645
05-26-2008, 06:53 PM
Last night we watched Youth without Youth, a new film by Francis Ford Coppola. It had an amazing LFE sub track - very rich and VERY deep. After one sequence where they showed a Nazi scientist experimenting with van de graf generators ans huge lightening bolts (and the sound of it arcing and crackling) I actually had to go reduce the levels on the Sub channel because I heard that glass-crack sound that I suspect is the mass ring smacking bottom. Scares the heck out of us!

Let it be a warning to you - the sub channel has a higher level relative to dialog than many other movies!

Looks like Walter Murch (sound re-recording mixer) may have some explaining to do as what they used to create that wonderful sound.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481797/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481797/fullcredits#cast)

Thanks for the cautionary warning Heather not sure what sub your running is it passive or one of those active types without clipping LED indicators?

Something else that springs to mind is the electrical storm sequence from Flight of the Phoenix the air around the group becomes electrically charged and it has soft crackling sound, on the surrounds left and right, can’t remember if it was placed in the centre and its kinder creep, because you, don’t know how high a level it, fortunate I can see what’s happing on the EQ for LCRS.

I’d have to go over it again just to be certain enough.


05-26-2008, 07:58 PM
Looks like Walter Murch (sound re-recording mixer) may have some explaining to do as what they used to create that wonderful sound.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481797/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481797/fullcredits#cast)

Thanks for the cautionary warning Heather not sure what sub your running is it passive or one of those active types without clipping LED indicators?

Something else that springs to mind is the electrical storm sequence from Flight of the Phoenix the air around the group becomes electrically charged and it has soft crackling sound, on the surrounds left and right, can’t remember if it was placed in the centre and its kinder creep, because you, don’t know how high a level it, fortunate I can see what’s happing on the EQ for LCRS.

I’d have to go over it again just to be certain enough.


HK 435 Receiver - 5.1 mode, LFE out set for below 70mHz, feeds an old HK Citation 22 Amp (est 600w-mono) and a JBL B380 sub (2235 woofer).
Momentary output jumped from normal range into high yellow near instantly ...

Flight of the Phoenix? - I only have the remastered old one w/Stewart, not that new one with Quaid - can't check it for ya ...

JBL 4645
05-27-2008, 12:15 AM
HK 435 Receiver - 5.1 mode, LFE out set for below 70mHz, feeds an old HK Citation 22 Amp (est 600w-mono) and a JBL B380 sub (2235 woofer).
Momentary output jumped from normal range into high yellow near instantly ...

Flight of the Phoenix? - I only have the remastered old one w/Stewart, not that new one with Quaid - can't check it for ya ...


The B380 that’s the 15” one isn’t it? I’ve seen on the forum a JBL B460 and that looks nice.:)

Seems like a like fast slam or kick rather than a slow increase. If you had a EQ with a wind range to see what is happing in the frequency response before its outputted or outputted to the sub you, might just want to reduce the level then, or act with caution, there are few on DVD that can do damage.

I think the original Jimmy Stewart, one is monaural so there’s no need for concern for that one, it’s the remake that will start having the sub playing at high levels, and you would what to be sure its going to play safely without clipping the amplifier.

05-27-2008, 03:42 AM
The B-380 is the "small box" and has the 15" (2235), the B-460 is the nicely styles wedge and has the 18 (2245)


The B380 that’s the 18” one isn’t it? I’ve seen on the forum a JBL B460 and that looks nice.:)

I think the original Jimmy Stewart, one is monaural so there’s no need for concern for that one, it’s the remake that will start having the sub playing at high levels, and you would what to be sure its going to play safely without clipping the amplifier.

Perhaps, but I like the actors better on the old "Phoenix", so I'm not willing to sacrifice that for the cheesey remake, just to have better audio.

So - so far we have only had 2 movies hit that extreme point in LF audio ... the slammin' of the mass ring ...

1 - Stay - (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371257/)with Ewan MacGregor (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371257/)
2. Youth without Youth - with Tim Roth (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481797/)

My guess is the LFE/sub channel in them has peaks too high, relative to the dialog/ other channels, as I don't change individual channel levels often - I generally control overall level via the receiver.

My B-380 (15") (M&K Volkswoofer w/12"on the left, not in use), Opimax's B-460 (18")

JBL 4645
05-27-2008, 04:10 AM
I was fishing around Google image and that JBL B380 looks different from the one you stated, not sure if [hold wait a moment lets try this]. Found this on forums.klipsch.com.

I’m trying to wake at the moment and gather some force as I’m having an ole listen to a (1997) blockbuster that won 11 Oscars and some of the bass level over LCR isn’t too bad on its own, without sub bass extension on certain parts, that is until I sense a lack of faith of reproduction in the force and I switch in the other channels that feed the sub bass extension and then the LFE.1 that only plays with specific parts.

05-27-2008, 04:27 AM
Hi all,

I found out 20+ years ago that to get a really good sounding bottom end you need to work out how many speakers and how much power you need and then double it. Subs dont work well when they are running at the limit and when you get large transients coming through then you run into problems. As you have found Heather, you get the old 2235 mass ring click. They only solution is to drive the subs less but have more of them. My new setup includes 4 2235's driven with 2000watts. (all for headroom of course:)). Of course enough room for multiple subs ca be a problem. The room I am currently working on has 7.1 surround and all cabinets are built into the walls. Maybe by Christmas.......................

JBL 4645
05-27-2008, 04:34 AM
Morning there down under.:)

I positively agree 100% add a few more on of matching model, while keeping the first one a few db below to allow headroom above its maximum tolerance level.

Each one will add 3db you’ll also increase the cone area and the low end will drop down for greater smoother response, rather than pushing it to its limit, oh, I agree.

05-27-2008, 07:02 AM
I was fishing around Google image and that JBL B380 looks different from the one you stated, not sure if [hold wait a moment lets try this]. Found this on forums.klipsch.com.

The B380 Cabinet can be used on its side, as mine is, or standing up.
The original grills were 2 part, and had a 2-tone scheme.
One grill was black and one was a tan color .
I redid mine with Pro-monitor blue cloth ...

That image from the Klipsch site has the wrong driver (non-JBL) in the cabinet ...

On my system, maybe I should take my HK amp out of Bridged mode, feed the LFE signal to both of my subs (B-380 and that M-K Volkswoofer which is ampless) to spread the bass around?

JBL 4645
05-27-2008, 08:17 AM
I take it you have the Harman set to if, that model has a bass manger to split the lows off LCRS at 80Hz or are you doing away with those and going with JBL crossovers?

Yeah I noticed the driver, I guess the user had to replace it temporally?:confused:

JBL 4645
05-28-2008, 08:45 AM


Just Bloody marvellous, a dark operatic musical and rather vengeful Benjamin Barker now returns to London, too find the love of his life as a.k.a. “Sweeny Todd” and too also settle a few bloody scores.

The opening starts off perfectly with deep church organ that reaches down 25Hz with a shuddering shiver that set the tone up for the 111 minutes.

Framed at W/S 1.78:1 its not my favourite aspect ratios but as I settled into the film with occasional off screen sounds with doors opening and closing and mild background sounds its mostly dialogue and lyrical orientated.

Stereo surrounds where playing a little behind the fronts with (centre back surround) thou I might look this over again and if I feel that the fronts may need reducing to heighten the atmosphere of the surrounds.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408236/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408236/)

Waterfall graph chart showing the opening titles and that deep church organ was set in sw-re-mix as the LFE.1 track was playing fairly low in output level.


JBL 4645
06-03-2008, 02:46 AM
Here’s one from “The Day After Tomorrow” (2007).

I like the (slam from the LFE.1) where Sam, turns around to see the rush of water heading towards him! It’s a nicely crafted Dolby mix that works well with the story.

There’s a moment coming up in the film that I might A&B against thou I guess the one from (1996) will have the hardest and loudest.


JBL 4645
06-03-2008, 02:47 AM
Here’s a Psycho98-acoustic one, that may not be trilling but it scares me enough, with the plucks of the stings beating against the sofa.http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/images/smilies/banana.gif






JBL 4645
06-07-2008, 02:49 PM
11 years on and “Armageddon” still packs a wallop even thou the some of the science does take a little licence here and there, its still a trill ride of film.

The good ole JBL control 1 arrays produced a lot of surround effects from music aircraft, shuttles small fragments of asteroid punching though buildings as if they where made of paper. Centre back surrounds where active. Directional effect’s passing down the sidewalls that made me turn my head around half-way on the opening bombardment that’s going on all-around the room.







JBL 4645
06-12-2008, 12:51 PM

Brought this from ASDA store yesterday for £13.74, I have to say the extras where so guilty, I should have brought the single disc.


Film: I’m not going to lie I dislike shows like “Lost” that is why one I don’t watch British TV no more because its utter total pants, and this felt like TV show with dodgy camera work that looked like it was filmed digitally for (Dolby digital cinema) and I’m starting to dislike it now, because this was so dark and naff. Framed at 1.78:1 W/S its not my favourite aspect ratio, I could do better with Supergirl.

Sure that may have been the point, and thou I have listened to other audio commentary sessions by (Michael Mann) who used the same technology for “Collateral” about a contract kill going about his nightly hit list, it did kinder look okay, except for some parts that looked so rough and quite frankly my eye just never sees those imperfections, its near, but I prefer 35mm film stock.



So Cloverfield is gets a big PANTS for image on my PANTS list!

Sound: now lets talk sound shall we, Skywalker Sound (Andy Nelson) and (Anna Behlmer) once again deliver PUCKER six-track Dolby stereo digital mix, that’s on my PUCKER sound list, it helped me, to forget about the dreadful cinematography and pay strict attention to sound and lot directional disorientation was happening up front over the matching LCR JBL control with slight occasional dioauge panning, thou not as much as most other previous films like “My Fair Lady” or “Indiana Jones and Last Crusade”.



Surrounds with centre back provided the odd missile attack blasting from behind, while helicopters also move down the sidewalls and centre back. Lots of confusion as a few principle characters get bitten with heads exploding was funny, because I had no feeling towards the characters and I hope sequel is never made, only that the monster eats the Big Apple because Hollywood as always been bent on destroying the USA so this may look like a good starting point, monsters should win for once!



Bass and sub bass over LCRS was just as heavy than the LFE.1 if levels are not set to show-off I’ve got a home theatre and a 10 big subs because it would only end up mudding the mid-bass where some nice kicks are felt and lots of below 20Hz or 10Hz is rarely felt in the real world, unless your sat in the bathtub and move slowly, you’ll feel the weight of water pressure on your body, now that’s LOW and yet natural, now then!

JBL 4645 didn’t even sweat with this one, thou I turned it down to keep it, within reasonable limits in terms of unpredictable levels by the LFE.1. Eltax A-12 R or rather the sub bass extension that keeps the LCRS to appear lower and louder didn’t even come near to sweating, same with Control 5 LCR and Control 1 surround arrays, Just a Blood Loud film!

Music: apart from Cloverfeild overture score that sends the film of with nice bang, because the rest of the pop music that was in this film was PANTS and I never cared for once because that party totally dragged on with lame pop music. The percussion and sting movement and the solo vocalist and voices gave Cloverfild a fine send-off.

(Cloverfield overture)
Composed by Michael Giacchino
Performed by the Bratislava Orchestra (un-credited)

Oh, there is one more thing thou. If anyone noticed this was mostly a sound effects film that really did take over and that is a very rare thing to hear these days, because normally, a composer would score a few action pieces to accompany the on-screen action and help drive the film.

I did skip though some of the film buy a chapter and even fast forward searched, because near to the ending, that huge building, where that girl was trapped, I really couldn’t care about, the helicopter crash was wicked and that lame cameraman who really got straight up my nose, I think he got eaten, because the monster was hard at work, and needed a quick snack, yummy!

Extras: was unsatisfying so I won’t go into any detail, expect buy the two-disc at your own peril.

Final conclusion

So there’s my region 2, view on what could have been a total load of bollocks, if it hadn’t been for Skywalker Sound (Andy Nelson) and (Anna Behlmer) possible Academy Award 2008 nominations for sound and sound effects editing.



Oh, I’ve played the end credits over a few times now, at least 30 times, while I type this dribble, LOL now then!

Waterfall frequency graphs to follow later on after I, give a few more scenes the once over again.

JBL 4645
06-25-2008, 05:06 PM

Finally a slightly better RAMBO DVD collection as arrived on region 2 shores in the bloodiest and brutal forum that standard DVD can do best, although there is just one snag?

Region 2 owners please note: that “Rambo III” (1988) isn’t in Dolby six-track 5.1 it’s the same realise version as the (2005) edition. I’ve spoken to the technical department at, Studio Cann, UK, and they said they’ll look into the issue as this disc shouldn’t have been in the package and thou it has the same DVD menus, only the artwork of the DVD itself gives the impression its newer version with Dolby 5.1.




I must say I wasn’t really keen on the graphic violence in “Rambo” (2008) I wouldn’t be surprised if the BBFC cut a few scenes as this was really “over the top” earlier versions of “Rambo III” (1988) on VHS PAL was cut by the BBFC but that was different time the version presented has all the little trimmings that where cut in the first edition DVD that oddly found its way in this box-set, only the wrong version for Dolby 5.1 mix?


I was also surprised that my JBL control 5 and 1 arrays didn’t sweat with bloody onslaught from Rambo as it was “Just Blood Loud” JBL. Foley effects where nicely edited, the score was a bit disappointing as Jerry Goldsmith, is no longer here. Brian Tyler may take some time to get used to like most new composers, I’ve heard his scores in a few other films like “Constantine” (2005) and “Darkness Falls” (2003), the end credits is close to getting into the Guinness book of records, for longest end credits score topping in at [10 minutes 50 seconds] from the moment John Rambo, takes a look at the road behind him.

JBL 4645
06-26-2008, 11:53 AM




Fascinating history you guys have.

The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfigh...he_O.K._Corral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral)

JBL 4645
06-26-2008, 11:54 AM
Brought Jumper yesterday thou I’ve only gotten around to watching the film this later afternoon and was genuinely trilled with the story and onscreen, the style of the ending with John Powell’s score kinder reminded of “The The Bourne Identity” a fast paced percussion of strings and brass, wonderful.

I can imagine how this would have sounded at, the Empire Leicester Square, should have gone along for the 56kw JBL THX experience.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0694173/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0694173/)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489099/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489099/)



06-26-2008, 12:12 PM
...Jumper ...
I can imagine how this would have sounded at the Empire Leicester Square, should have gone along for the 56kw JBL THX experience.

TOLD ya!
I personally think it would suffer on the little screen, but on a big screen it was fun -
Hey, seen Iron Man on a big screen yet?

JBL 4645
06-26-2008, 03:18 PM
TOLD ya!
I personally think it would suffer on the little screen, but on a big screen it was fun -
Hey, seen Iron Man on a big screen yet?

No, oddly enough I haven’t had the pleasure of seeing it in the big screen,:( so I’ll have to wait for its arrival on DVD later in the year. How you feeling today, Heather?

06-26-2008, 03:32 PM
No, oddly enough I haven’t had the pleasure of seeing it in the big screen,:( so I’ll have to wait for its arrival on DVD later in the year. How you feeling today, Heather?

Not too bad today, but we spent a rough 4 days down in Richmond (VA). My Father-in-Law (Emma's Dad, 87) passed away VERY fast last Friday morning - when they told his older brother about it, HE passed within 24 hrs ... really flattened the whole family. The family is of Scottish descent (Chattan), so they had a piper at the house Sunday and to pipe him out in style the next day.

But - how are YOU doing?

06-26-2008, 07:59 PM
Hi Heather, I've been a little out of the loop here on the forum lately and appologise if this was listed elsewhere but I am very sorry to hear about your father in law and his brother passing away, please give my sincere condolences to Emma.


06-26-2008, 08:31 PM
Hi Heather, I've been a little out of the loop here on the forum lately and appologise if this was listed elsewhere but I am very sorry to hear about your father in law and his brother passing away, please give my sincere condolences to Emma.


Thanks Fred - no.. it happened real fast and I didn't actually post it anywhere until now. Mostly just dealing with it since then ...

It was just very fast - but, he's not in any pain now, so that's a good thing.
He was a methodist preacher 60+ years in the pulpit, but just a warm and friendly guy ...

JBL 4645
06-27-2008, 01:42 PM
That is sad to read Heather, may I also send condolences to Emma’s, loss. That would now explain the piper in the avatar.:(

No, I’m a little restless seeing the doctor on Monday.

06-27-2008, 02:15 PM
That is sad to read Heather, may I also send condolences to Emma’s, loss. That would now explain the piper in the avatar.:(

No, I’m a little restless seeing the doctor on Monday.

Well, good luck with that (really!)!

Emma and I did our annual workup June 4th - xrays, ekg, mamogram, blood, all of the fun (ugh) ... costs a ton but we are apparently healthy enough to stay online another year - :)

JBL 4645
06-27-2008, 02:38 PM
Well, good luck with that (really!)!

Emma and I did our annual workup June 4th - xrays, ekg, mamogram, blood, all of the fun (ugh) ... costs a ton but we are apparently healthy enough to stay online another year - :)

No needles time-out I will not have a needle poked into me, while I’m aware as that escalates my nervous disorder. Glad it worked out okay for thou. I seem to be more alive at night-time thou it’s as if sunlight, like vampires who sleep in the daytime and come out at night-time for there nightly feeding of internet information.:D LOL

Yes I don’t really care for sunlight it’s the giver of life and the taker as well. Besides daytime is boring to me, because I can’t look back in time and space at the stars in the daytime. There is so much out there to discover to explore and gain new knowledge. But there isn’t a whole lot too do if it’s clouded up outside with grey cloud looming some 1500 feet overhead, which is the case tonight.

06-27-2008, 07:46 PM
Thanks Fred - no.. it happened real fast and I didn't actually post it anywhere until now. Mostly just dealing with it since then ...

It was just very fast - but, he's not in any pain now, so that's a good thing.
He was a methodist preacher 60+ years in the pulpit, but just a warm and friendly guy ...

Hi Heather, sounds like he was a real nice guy and as such I am sure he and his brother will be dearly missed, not only by family and friends but by the many lives they touched. The fact that it happened fast can be of comfort especially if he was in great pain, but it is still very sad of course.
I am glad to hear that you and Emma got a clean bill of health from your recent doctors visit. :)

Ashley, I hope you get out a bit, even if its at night, and catch some of the new releases that summertime always brings, Im sure there must be a couple of movies you are looking forward to seeing.

JBL 4645
07-01-2008, 03:08 PM
Received a replacement DVD for the lost "Rambo III" (1988) yesterday, that was mistakenly packaged into the region 2, (Ultimate Rambo 4 disc collection box-set) and I must say it’s a better sounding version in full six-track Dolby stereo discrete.

Leading up to the dramatic sequence with (Rambo and arrow VS Russian helicopter) and nice touch on the Jerry Goldsmith, score with mild percussion horns beating away, while helicopters fly around looking for Rambo and Trautman, just at the last moment the sound of the arrows stings plucked, as its realised off to the screen-right, then impacting into helicopter with devastating explosion, that showers outwards.

Centre channel carries Foley effects as Rambo, quickly assembles the arrow together, some parts of the music is comes though thou, its playing mostly on the left and right fronts and split-surrounds. All the little details are accurately heard including Russian, dialogue right up to the point where the younger Russian pilot sees Rambo aiming something at him, only its too late to manoeuvre out of its path.

Split-surrounds have a few individual flybys only on this scene its used sparingly, the score is cool when listening to only the surrounds, while LCR sub bass are muted. The helicopter has mild thunder reverb as the music fades away.

LFE.1 produced a wonderful slam of depth as the helicopters debris fall to the ground.


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07-04-2008, 05:11 AM
When I watched the extras on DVD disc 6 Bonus, several years ago I was wondering what the actual frequency response of the playback at the Zanuck theatre? What type of subs where used and what was SPL db level?

This is the [Fox Zanuck Theatre] link for today and I can’t find any other technical details about it, other than what I see in the link.

http://www.foxstudios.com/los_angele...eningrooms.htm (http://www.foxstudios.com/los_angeles/postproduction/screeningrooms.htm)











JBL 4645
07-04-2008, 05:12 AM
I’ve seen Alien3 at UCI 10 sceren, Tower Park, when it opened in Dolby Stereo SR and thou it wasn’t the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo exclusive, it still managed to pack small punch thou I don’t really remember the opening on the 35mm print shacking my insides apart from when a guy goes though the air vent fan, splat! That was felt and two guys bumping into each other as they run down the corridors in total confusion.









Here is frequency waterfall graph of the opening moments to Alien3.

I guess this range was upsetting the audience LOL I guess it would do that.


JBL 4645
07-04-2008, 05:16 AM
(1996) academy award winner for best sound effects editing “The Ghost in the Darkness”.

ABC&D testing of the region 2 DVD and PAL laserdisc

First I switched the DRC dynamic range compressor to ON mode, on the Kenwood KRF-X9050D THX select and set the level where Kilmer’s character John Patterson says, “I’m going to sort it out” while firing of single round then reloading the rife then firing off a second shot in vengeful anger.

I set the SPL db level metre up and selected A weighting I wasn’t interested in C weighting, I set the level on the Kenwood for appropriate level to read a simple 70dbA in (dynamic range compression) mode.

Region 2 DVD
Six-track Dolby stereo digital
Dolby AC-3
Fader -8db
Rifle shots came in at 70dbA

The next setting was with DRC turned OFF and the fader level adjusted down by

Fader -12db
Rifle shots came in at 70dbA +- a few 0.0db nothing you’d really notice.

Dolby stereo 4:2:4
Fader -5db
Rifle shots came in at 70dbA


Laserdisc PAL
Dolby stereo 4:2:4
Fader -11db


JBL 4645
07-04-2008, 05:27 AM
This is one of the most vivid and terrifying plane crashes that I’ve seen dramatized on film. To think that most survived by fate of plane crash an avalanche and eating the dead to get out of that situation, takes an enormous courage. Saw this at the “Empire Leicester square” in Dolby SR-D on Wednesday May 5th 1993 in THX awesome.


JBL 4645
07-04-2008, 05:28 AM
Rollercoaster ride from “Space cowboys” (2000) has few nice dips and peaks as the coaster rides around turning on hard and shape bends with whoosh of air movement.


07-04-2008, 06:46 PM
I picked up the 2 DVD set of the restored "Help!" .....really a masterfull job, the FabFour never looked better..:D

On the extras disk they mentioned that the original name was "Help", but that violated a copyright and renaming to "Help!" solved that problem. (notice exclamation point !)..looks like it took a long time to restore, the master was in poor condition. Audio is superb !

Highly Recommended..:applaud::applaud::applaud:

JBL 4645
07-05-2008, 11:20 AM
I picked up the 2 DVD set of the restored "Help!" .....really a masterfull job, the FabFour never looked better..:D

On the extras disk they mentioned that the original name was "Help", but that violated a copyright and renaming to "Help!" solved that problem. (notice exclamation point !)..looks like it took a long time to restore, the master was in poor condition. Audio is superb !

Highly Recommended..:applaud::applaud::applaud:

I’ve only seen this film once and that was back around the late to early 1980’s on television equipped only with tiny 3” speaker in monaural. If I should see it blockbusters I’ll rent it out, but I seem to remembering reading about this a while back, that there are several versions re-mastered and produced in Dolby 5.1.

JBL 4645
07-05-2008, 11:21 AM
Chapter 1 the opening moments to “The Da Vinci Code” (2006) LFE.1 track is only playing, while I analyze the Da olby code.:D

Rumour control has it that the BBFC asked the filmmakers of The Da Vinci Code to reduce the level of sound effects as it was too loud.


JBL 4645
07-05-2008, 04:13 PM



Cloverfield Overture to the end credits LFE.1 only I could have monitored the LCRS sub bass but you’ll have to pay me to do that because this film is so pants and only the Skywalker Sound and end credits rules.

Score doesn’t really start to around -9m.38s chapter 16 or 78m.33s when you hear the deep tympani, with 30Hz and 40Hz beating away, sounds like a piano then the drums and horns and strings start coming in with flute, harps, even a solo voice is heard, sounds like opera.

I’ve watched the end credits to this film more than most of all the top hardcore members on this site and I’ve really lost count now, its got to be at least 80 times, I end up playing the opening with that LFE.1 and then playing a few moments from the middle then skipping to the monster having feast on the helicopter, until it ditches and then I go to the end credits, because this film is pants I can’t stand the camera work its pants.

Ian Mackenzie
07-06-2008, 05:36 AM

Have you done any Blue Ray reviews?

JBL 4645
07-06-2008, 10:14 AM

Have you done any Blue Ray reviews?


No and I don’t think I’ll be missing anything that I haven’t already heard or felt. I’d sooner hear and feel a demonstration around someone’s home preferably with JBL.

Prices may have dropped to sinful levels but I’m not tempted not even you loaned me 4K I’d sooner spend it on some JBL pro cinema speaker’s amplifiers and video projector, so that shows how high my, will power is.

Running a classic six-track Dolby stereo film The Abyss (1989) and the JBL controls aren’t even sweating lots of low end rumbles bumps kicks slams as well as some unrelenting pressure that taps on the ears, pucker film!

Expect some frequency waterfall graphs later in the day, or should I say underwater frequency graphs.:D

JBL 4645
07-07-2008, 10:28 AM
You are right I am on line. I am trying to figure out just what all this is about.


Grab some DVD films or other and spin them on the player and listen to them on those JBL. Also download the free Spectrumlab to see the overall frequency response ether as whole or via separate connections, or other? Give us some feedback on how they perform crack out the SPL db meter as well, I’m sure most here have far better JBL then my control series.

Edit: cheers Rob for the clean up. :)

JBL 4645
07-08-2008, 01:44 PM
The continuity of the waterfalls is bit out of sequence I’ve been working hard on these and some 2010 ones with some air-breaking coming later on. What’s more the tone and rumble on the JBL4645 is pucker a nice operatic feeling. I was going to do The Abyss last Sunday but got so tired up with the images and deciding on what waterfalls I should show as the lows didn’t reach down as far as I thought they would, but it still vibrates the sofa .






JBL 4645
07-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Here are a few 2010 waterfall frequency graph more to come later and some air-breaking we, know we like air-braking.



07-08-2008, 04:05 PM
A Clockwork Orange -2007-
remastered/restored :applaud::applaud::applaud:

AC3 and 2 disk set ...Ludwig Van never sounded so good,,,:D
wonderfull color, looks like it was made yesterday.

extras disk told how Kubrick felt responsible for the rise in violence in the UK and WB pulled it from sale 2 years after the release and it wasnt available there for 25 years, until after Stanley's death.:(

They also mentioned that the Rolling Stones had purchased the rights to the novella and had plans of making the movie with Mick as Alex and the Stones as the droogs...tho later when Kubrick was hired, that idea was dropped.

"The luridly-colorful set designs by John Barry, costume design by Milena Canonero, the synthesized electronic score by Wendy Carlos [sometimes credited as Walter Carlos - her birth name until undergoing a sex-change operation in 1972 to became Wendy], the colorful and innovative cinematography by John Alcott, and the hybrid, jargonistic, pun-filled language of Burgess' novel (called Nadsat - an onomatopoetic, expressive combination of English, Russian, and slang), produce a striking, unforgettable film. Some words are decipherable in their contextual use, or as anglicized, portmanteau, rhymed, or clever transformations or amputations of words. Originally, the rock group The Rolling Stones were considered for the main cast roles of Alex and his droogs, until Kubrick joined the production."


Members from rock and roll music’s two biggest bands wanted to contribute to the movie A Clockwork Orange, according to a letter from the film’s executive producer.

Writing to John Schlesinger, who was considering directing the film, Si Litvinoff said that the Rolling Stones frontman Mick Jagger wanted to play the psychotic criminal, Alex.

He also revealed that The Beatles had shown an interest in writing the score for the film.

"This film should break ground in its language, cinematic style and soundtrack (the Beatles love the project and Mick Jagger and David Hemmings have both been keen to play Alex),” Litvinoff wrote.

"After you've read the script and novel, I'm sure you will see the incredible potential we all see in this project."

In a return letter to Litvinoff, Schlesinger said that he would pass on the film because he wasn’t sure if it was “the sort of subject I particularly want to tackle."

Stanley Kubrick went on to direct A Clockwork Orange, which was banned in the UK after the director received death threats.

The film was finally re-released on DVD in 1999 after the ban was lifted.



JBL 4645
07-10-2008, 01:15 PM


Brought Blake Edwards of Pink Panther fame Blind Date starring “Moonlighting” (Bruce Willis) and “9 ½ Weeks” (Kim Basinger) in this comedy caper where lonely working class Walter Davis dates Nadia Gates only just don’t let her drink because she gets wild…

All goes terribly wrong with Nadia ex-boyfriend (John Larroquette) David Bedford wanting to kill Walter because he suspects Walter is banging Nadia. So things don’t seem to be going too well so far, for the two of them, and whilst later at a, dinning function that take a wrong turning with Walter getting fired by his boss and crazed mad man on the lose who wants him dead, its not a bad comedy romance from the 80’s.


Picture: anamorphic widescreen in the Panavision® 2.35:1 scope format like most of Edwards films colours are not so bad for this late DVD transfer that was produced in (2004) contrast and brightness holds up very well, in fact its far better than the VHS rental that I hired out back in late of 1987 with P&S panned and scanned image that reduces image by 50%.



Sound: produced in Dolby stereo A type it has fair wide openness over the LCR with clear dialogue and few off-screen sound effects like when (William Daniels) Judge Harold Bedford tells the butler to shot the guard dog “Rambo” and you hear the dog barking in distance centre channel while the gun shot is off to the right, damn funny.


Matrix monaural surrounds added a nice atmosphere that was active with minimal centre channel crosstalk, not a bad Dolby stereo 4:2:4 thou I wonder what the six-track version would be like if this was re-mixed as this wasn’t produced for 70mm blow-up prints when realised.




Extras: only a few trailers.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092666/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092666/)


I’ve only seen the film once on channel 4 British TV many years ago a very dark film and I seem to remember seeing a documentary about Stanley Kubrick just a month or so after his passing away.

07-10-2008, 01:34 PM

I’ve only seen the film once on channel 4 British TV many years ago a very dark film and I seem to remember seeing a documentary about Stanley Kubrick just a month or so after his passing away.

Ashley - I highly suggest you take the time to hunt down a copy of "A Clockwork Orange". Based on a novel by British author Anthony Burgess, every music buff ought to see it, even if just to see how Kubrick made the music such a significant part of the film. Really, the film plays out like some
extreme music video for Beethoven's 9th ... and some of the other pieces are also well filmed to the music.
Yes, it is an EXTREMELY dark film - maybe even a model for some of the punks that came afterwards, but I have to say its a must-see for a film fan!

07-10-2008, 03:03 PM
Ashley - I highly suggest you take the time to hunt down a copy of "A Clockwork Orange". I have to say its a must-see for a film fan!

I wud have to uprate you recommendation, HJ, I dont think you can be a genuine "film fan" w/o knowing all 136 minutes of this one.

Rossini's WT overature is featured as well as "Singing in the Rain" ....you may never hear these the same way after viewing this movie ....as the movie 2001 has done for "The Blue Danube" and "Also Sprach Zarathustra (http://www.amazon.com/Also-Sprach-Zarathustra-LP-Version/dp/B00123HU3E/ref=sr_f2_2?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1215723573&sr=102-2)" and Apocalypse Now for "Die Walkerie".

The classics are classic for a reason. (and Blind Date aint on that list)

JBL 4645
07-10-2008, 07:45 PM
Ashley - I highly suggest you take the time to hunt down a copy of "A Clockwork Orange". Based on a novel by British author Anthony Burgess, every music buff ought to see it, even if just to see how Kubrick made the music such a significant part of the film. Really, the film plays out like some
extreme music video for Beethoven's 9th ... and some of the other pieces are also well filmed to the music.
Yes, it is an EXTREMELY dark film - maybe even a model for some of the punks that came afterwards, but I have to say its a must-see for a film fan!

I’ll keep a beady eye open for it at ASDA store or HMV if I ever wonder into the main town area for shopping as I haven’t been in Bournemouth for 2 months now.

Oh, and I might as well keep an eye open for “Doctor Strangelove” as that’s classic with Slim Pickens riding that bomb down to the ground.:D

I wud have to uprate you recommendation, HJ, I dont think you can be a genuine "film fan" w/o knowing all 136 minutes of this one.

Rossini's WT overature is featured as well as "Singing in the Rain" ....you may never hear these the same way after viewing this movie ....as the movie 2001 has done for "The Blue Danube" and "Also Sprach Zarathustra (http://www.amazon.com/Also-Sprach-Zarathustra-LP-Version/dp/B00123HU3E/ref=sr_f2_2?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1215723573&sr=102-2)" and Apocalypse Now for "Die Walkerie".

The classics are classic for a reason. (and Blind Date aint on that list)

Well “The Pink Panther” series is :D on the list and there’s a box-set that’s been out a few years now, thou looking for the bargain basement price, may be a bit hard.

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07-10-2008, 08:45 PM
I have to say its a must-see for a film fan!

Another "must see" (just watched it is) "The Misfits" ....B&W Mono

I didn't know that Marilyn Monroe could actually act. WOW, how have I missed this for so many years ? Last film of Clark Gable and Marilyn, this movie rather shows that you don't need great 7.1 soundtrack or great color depth to make a great movie :applaud:

JBL 4645
07-10-2008, 09:33 PM
You’ve got to be kidding Tom I’d sooner run “Casablanca” for the 40th :D or so time, thou there isn’t much below 30Hz on that film, thou I should run it and see just how far it reaches down too.

Well this one almost flew underneath the scope since the theme is nuclear and I have few more lined up and the continuity is bit out of sequence, no matter the show most still go on.


07-11-2008, 03:53 AM
Speaking of Casablanca ...
Thanks to Netflicks, we've been watching Sydney Pollock movies over the last few months, and Tuesday night we watched the 1990 film "Havana" - see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099747/
Nice film, with Robert Redford as a poker player looking for one last game at the Casinos, with the Cuba Revolution playing in the background. He meets Lena Olin, who happens to be married to revolutionary Raul Julia ... Not a bad film, a visual feast and with a bit of warfare around the edges for the shock and awe crowd, the audio plays out fairly well, Dave Gruisin soundtrack with a lot of soft-tango like pieces as well.
Yep, its like Casablanca in Cuba! A good film, tho a bit long ...

Coming sometime soon is the 1979 Sean Connery film Cuba. Not a Pollock film (Richard Lester), but its a different slant on Cuba
and its got Sean!

JBL 4645
07-11-2008, 07:11 AM
I only have but three films from Sydney Pollock and two versions of “Out of Africa” 1985 and The Interpreter (2005) where he went back to using the 2351 scope format after long absence from using the anamorphic lenses I believe Tootsie (1982) was last time he used the format, from watching the documentary on the extras of The Interpreter. Havana sounds like a cool flick I might track that one down and add it into the collection.

Only so long before you can’t swing a cat around the room because of the bulk of DVD titles taking up, bookshelves and I have two that are filled right-up! I need another bookcase and thou I have space above the bookcases I can always stick another few or two on top, thou I would need the stool to reach up.

There’s millions films worldwide and only few many thousand that I have seen I rather like and enjoy. There’s more stars in the universe than all the films and TV shows that where ever produced, that’s kinder of comforting isn’t it.

I only have I think some Bond films and others that Sean starred in over the years, he’s kinder slowing down and who could blame him, he’s down a lot over the past half century.

07-11-2008, 09:25 AM
we've been watching Sydney Pollock movies over the last few months,

Sydney Pollock movies ? Always kinda liked his directing.....viewed "The Interpreter" last month and wasnt quite as impressed as I was expecting.

The one I enjoy (mebbe 'cause Faye was so hot) was " 3 Days of the Condor" ....mono, but great story...it was right on about Middle East OIL and the US Govt.

07-11-2008, 09:49 AM
Sydney Pollock movies ? Always kinda liked his directing.....viewed "The Interpreter" last month and wasnt quite as impressed as I was expecting.

The one I enjoy (mebbe 'cause Faye was so hot) was " 3 Days of the Condor" ....mono, but great story...it was right on about Middle East OIL and the US Govt.

Just for the scenery, I ordered Jeremiah Johnson the other day ...
we mostly rent stuff, but when i can find a nice copy of a film we like for 5 or 6 bucks used at Amazon - I jump. We saw "Condor" back in Feb - very nice film ... not quite ready to watch "Interpreter". I don't buy many films when the main push occurs, plus, some films need to age a bit (smile).

JBL 4645
07-12-2008, 04:30 PM
Sydney Pollock movies ? Always kinda liked his directing.....viewed "The Interpreter" last month and wasnt quite as impressed as I was expecting.

The one I enjoy (mebbe 'cause Faye was so hot) was " 3 Days of the Condor" ....mono, but great story...it was right on about Middle East OIL and the US Govt.

That’s still isn’t on region 2 DVD and I’ve seen it several times on television in the past but the impact of the image was let down due to the crummy robbing BBC!:biting:

JBL 4645
07-12-2008, 04:32 PM
Well almost finished with what I have on hand and I need new theme for the afternoon? I’ll have to look at all the films and see what they have in common with each other?





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07-12-2008, 04:37 PM
The opening has muffled musical sound that’s hard to localize within the walls of (Folsome prison) where inmates are attending a “Johnny Cash” concert. As the camera goes pass all the cells and nearer and nearer to the beating of hundreds and hundreds of clapping and feet pounding on the floors with an almost deep pulse rumbling.

Left and right have deep low end


Centre channel is just a bit deeper than the main left and right


Split-surrounds far less pulse beating


LFE.1 really takes control from the opening to demonstrate what good sub bass can do with an all most thunderous deep pounding that rumbles with slam and depth pulse, of the inside walls of (Folsome prison) where “Johnny Cash” is performing live to the inmates.


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Vantage Point is fast action thriller about a plot to assassinate president of the United States. Starring Dennis Quaid Matthew Fox Forest Whitaker with Sigourney Weaver and William Hurt. It’s tightly paced with fast editiong flashbacks that takes the viewer to different advantage points that’s all compressed into 86minutes.




Framed in scope 2.35:1 colours are vibrant brightness values nicely balanced with most of exterior shots as well as some mild dark shadowy scenes.



Sound is presented in six-track Dolby stereo digital is a well balanced mix of clear intelligible dialogue that centred throughout its got gunshots and a few explosions stereo surrounds worked fine with centre back clapping and crowed effects are happening all-around. Chapter 13, 35m 55s has part of the explosion moving from LCR to centre back, while from sidewall surrounds.

A waterfall spectrum graph show the one of explosive highlights, and thou I’ve viewed this rather late, I’ll be giving it another showing in the daytime.


Tom Brennan
08-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Can you analyze the scene in Citizen Kane where Orson Welles outruns the explosion. ;)

JBL 4645
08-08-2008, 06:53 PM
Can you analyze the scene in Citizen Kane where Orson Welles outruns the explosion. ;)

I’m afraid not I don’t have the film on DVD thou I could do Casablanca the bombing raid in Paris sequence.:D

JBL 4645
08-08-2008, 06:57 PM
Doc Oock fires up his science project with a wicked low end that virtually gets sent to all channels, well almost.


JBL 4645
08-08-2008, 06:58 PM
This like many six-track Dolby stereo digital soundtracks was vibrating the refrigerator in the kitchen :D "Casino Royale" (2006) has wicked low end that is supported in many parts of the soundtracks channels. The scene leading up to this had a few good Foley hand to hand combat sequences and thou the body kicks was handled mostly by the LCR the building quaking rumbling effect was handled deeply on the LFE.1 track that plays completely separate from LCRS interference, via the second sub bass.



JBL 4645
08-12-2008, 04:05 AM

Coming this September, 22nd the futuristic science fiction thriller about people living in dooms after the third world war, there is just one catch thou? Once you reach 30 and the crystal in you palm turns “red” you’re time is up. Those who don’t turn up at for “renewal” are called “runners” and policing agency know as “Sandmen” hunt down runners and terminate them.

Logan 5 (Michael York) has been assigned to locate “Sanctuary” with the help of Jessica (Jenny Agutter).
Logan’s Run (1976)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074812/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074812/)

I sure hope it’s a six-track Dolby version and not a Dolby stereo 4:2:4, version.

There’s also a remake baring the same title in production due for 2010 realise.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/)


JBL 4645
08-13-2008, 04:11 PM
The Naked Gun 331/3 where Rocco Dillon plans to blow up the academy awards with letter bomb! LOL can Frank Drebin stop him just in time.


JBL 4645
08-13-2008, 10:15 PM
Here’s an LFE.1 only from a classic science fiction moment “Forbidden Planet” (1956) where Morbius shows Commander Adams and doctor Ostrow around the inner planets deep mechanical mysteries of its power source, that’s humming and rumbling away deeply, very deep.


JBL 4645
08-14-2008, 06:16 PM
Chapter 9
Bombing at London restaurant from Executive Decision (1996) this scene is broken down in four parts. More Executive Decision waterfalls too follow later.


JBL 4645
08-14-2008, 06:56 PM
Chapter 10
Has the Remora F117X nears her approach to the Bowing 747 the mighty power of the 747 quad Rolls Royce engines vibrates with thundering power!



08-15-2008, 11:56 AM
Across the Universe - 2007

This DVD really surprised me. I had read only a little about it , then checked the library ( I'm a "mid-feeder" and use the library extensively) and put it on hold -had the 300th hold on it- and waited 2 months. I quizzed my son about it...he works fulltime at Blockbuster while persuing his Masters at PSU...and he hadnt seen it, but thought maybe was a Mama Mia clone with BEATLES tunes....so I almost canceled my hold,,,glad I didn't.

Its a musical..kids in the 60's , one from Liverpool - Jude- , draft , war , relationships..etc.... but the tunes are all BEATLES...mostly unknown actors. ( cameos by:BONO, Salma Hayek, Joe Cocker) Beautifully shot , first class sound , rather engaging cast and story and the female vocals were so clean and spectacular. There were great homages to Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix...WOW...I would have missed something had I canceled this. The choreography was splendid and the dancing recruiters at the induction center , doing "I want you/she's so heavy" was over the top...all the songs were woven into the scenes very well and none felt forced.... The 3 female leads -Sadie, Lucy and Prudence were perfect for the story and great singers to boot. Highly Recommended if you are a BEATLES fan or over 50 or not.

The scenes with the 30 foot tall recruits , in their underware and boots, stomping thru the jungle in Vietnam , mashing palm trees , carrying the statue of Liberty on their shoulders to "She's so Heavy" and the 5 Salmas in fantasy nurses uniforms dancing to "Happiness is a Warm Gun" were almost worth the rental price alone.

Sound Mix: Dolby Digital (http://www.imdb.com/List?sound-mix=Dolby%20Digital&&heading=15;Dolby%20Digital) | SDDS (http://www.imdb.com/List?sound-mix=SDDS&&heading=15;SDDS) | DTS (http://www.imdb.com/List?sound-mix=DTS&&heading=15;DTS)

Nominated for Oscar. 1 win & 7 nominations


08-15-2008, 12:32 PM
Its a fun movie but I'm not sure they are as good singers as you think - that's one of those movies where everyone is run through vocal tracker/pitch shifter stuff - you can hear it if you listen close - kinda sounds like a synthesizer just under their voice when they sing ...
Its a pity that kind of sound effect seems to be a standared thing they do now - not like the older days where folks had to stay in tune on their own.

Worse example of the effect is the Cher song "Believe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_%28Cher_song%29)" but the producer used it (auto-tune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-tune_effect)) over the top there to give her song a distinctive sound.

Across the Universe - 2007

This DVD really surprised me. I had read only a little about it , then checked the library ( I'm a "mid-feeder" and use the library extensively) and put it on hold -had the 300th hold on it- and waited 2 months. I quizzed my son about it...he works fulltime at Blockbuster while persuing his Masters at PSU...and he hadnt seen it, but thought maybe was a Mama Mia clone with BEATLES tunes....so I almost canceled my hold,,,glad I didn't.

Its a musical..kids in the 60's , one from Liverpool - Jude- , draft , war , relationships..etc.... but the tunes are all BEATLES...mostly unknown actors. ( cameos by:BONO, Salma Hayek, Joe Cocker) Beautifully shot , first class sound , rather engaging cast and story and the female vocals were so clean and spectacular. There were great homages to Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix...WOW...I would have missed something had I canceled this. The choreography was splendid and the dancing recruiters at the induction center , doing "I want you/she's so heavy" was over the top...all the songs were woven into the scenes very well and none felt forced.... The 3 female leads -Sadie, Lucy and Prudence were perfect for the story and great singers to boot. Highly Recommended if you are a BEATLES fan or over 50 or not.

Sound Mix: Dolby Digital (http://www.imdb.com/List?sound-mix=Dolby%20Digital&&heading=15;Dolby%20Digital) | SDDS (http://www.imdb.com/List?sound-mix=SDDS&&heading=15;SDDS) | DTS (http://www.imdb.com/List?sound-mix=DTS&&heading=15;DTS)

Nominated for Oscar. 1 win & 7 nominations


JBL 4645
08-15-2008, 01:41 PM
I might just very well buy “Mama Mia” (2008) on DVD when it comes out.

“Across the Universe” when I saw the DVD in the stores I placed it back within 0.009999 second the title misleading or what! I thought it was about the cosmos with Carl Sagan, with some cool Jean Michel Jarre music.

08-15-2008, 02:24 PM
Its a fun movie but I'm not sure they are as good singers as you think - that's one of those movies where everyone is run through vocal tracker/pitch shifter stuff - you can hear it

Not to argue, but ......I just finished the bonus features disk...there are lots of auditions on there and I cud not hear much difference between the auditions and the movie as far as singing voices. "Sadie" does a "This is Janis" solo show in real life. "jude" does have a very sweet singing voice , as does "Lucy". The Philipean girl playing "Pru" had an outstanding voice also. Martin Luther as Jo-Jo did a very credible and soulful Jimi.

I did not ID Bono or Joe Cocker until reading the credits.

“Across the Universe” when I saw the DVD in the stores I placed it back within 0.009999 second the title misleading or what! I thought it was about the cosmos with Carl Sagan, with some cool Jean Michel Jarre music.

Seems a classic case of judging a book by it's cover..a mistake, although if you lived thru the 60's, and sweated the draft and got caught up in Americas Asian adventure it may have deeper emotional meaning to you.

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Have not seen a thread here, but always wondered if stellar 2 channel stereo speakers may not perform as well in a HT environment ?

JBL 4645
08-16-2008, 02:14 PM
Not to argue, but ......I just finished the bonus features disk...there are lots of auditions on there and I cud not hear much difference between the auditions and the movie as far as singing voices. "Sadie" does a "This is Janis" solo show in real life. "jude" does have a very sweet singing voice , as does "Lucy". The Philipean girl playing "Pru" had an outstanding voice also. Martin Luther as Jo-Jo did a very credible and soulful Jimi.

I did not ID Bono or Joe Cocker until reading the credits.

Seems a classic case of judging a book by it's cover..a mistake, although if you lived thru the 60's, and sweated the draft and got caught up in Americas Asian adventure it may have deeper emotional meaning to you.

__________________________________________________ ______________

Have not seen a thread here, but always wondered if stellar 2 channel stereo speakers may not perform as well in a HT environment ?


I had something else I was going to say, but declined from posting it. I have no comment about that period in time.

JBL 4645
08-20-2008, 10:29 AM


Happy-Go-Lucky is laugh out loud comedy


Poppy (Sally Hawkins) is an irrepressible cheerful primary school teacher who won’t let anyone or anything get her down. Even when her bicycle, which she so happily rides though the streets of London is stolen, her first thought is only: “I didn’t even get a chance to say goodbye.”

I thoroughly enjoined this (Mike Leigh) film which is change from crashes bangs of LFE.1. This is mostly a dialogue orientated film with very subtle use of stereo surrounds and front left and right as well.

I thought the 114 minutes was paced a bit slow in some parts that was leading up to the hysterical scenes with up-tight driving instructor Scott (Eddie Marsan) where Poppy gives him a hard-time while slowly he’s ticking away with anger.

Poppy lives with her 10 year flat mate Zoe (Alexis Zegerman) who share happy times together. if you get a chance, you can ether rent or take a chance like I did and buy it! But be warned this isn’t a waterfall sub bass in your face film this is a calm comedy, get it!

Some portions of the film from what I read on the imdb site are the car scenes that used video interesting fact?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1045670/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1045670/)



Framed in 2.35:1 scope colours are wonderfully rich for DVD as too is contrast and brightness levels, perfect.



Sound like I said it’s a very “subtle” the car driving lessons scenes sound cool with nice low level engine sound that is all around along with incredible dialogue intelligibility that’s easy to follow and understand.

Extras Behind the wheel, the making of Happy-Go-Lucky / Mike Leigh’s characters featurette / trailer

JBL 4645
08-20-2008, 10:29 AM
There’s a nice technique with the opening with images compressed and moving around the screen over the black background that is until it expands outwards opening up to the 2.35:1.








JBL 4645
09-01-2008, 07:20 PM
I popped down downstairs to visit my neighbour and asked him he wouldn’t mind popping up with a ABBA collection for a slightly better listen! ABBA CD “The Name of Game ABBA” and “Agnetha & Frida the voice of ABBA” DVD “ABBA Gold Greatest hits”.

The production quality of the CD “The Name of Game ABBA” was different because there wasn’t many songs that I’m familiar with.

CD’s was listened in regular stereo with (sw-re-mix) via the JBL 4645 and JBL control 5.

Disk 1

1.The Heat Is On - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
2.I know There's Something Going On - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
3.You're There - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
4.To Turn the Stone - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
5.Just One Heart - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
6.That's Tough - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
7.Turn The World Around - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)

8.I Got Something - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
9.We Should Be Together - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
10.Shine - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
11.I Won't Let You Go - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
12.Here We'll Stay - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
13.Wrap Your Arms Around Me - with Agnetha Faltskog (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Agnetha%20Faltskog&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)
14.Heart Of The Country - with Frida (http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/search.aspx?N=7&VSI=2-CD&Ntt=Frida&Ntk=primary&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchall)

Disk 1

2.Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!
3.Rock Me
4.Love Isn't Easy
5.Gonna Sing You My Lovesong
7.When I Kissed The Teacher
8.The Name Of The Game

9.Hole In Your Soul
10.Why Did It Have To Be Me?
11.On And On And On
12.Lay All Your Love On Me
13.The Visitors
14.Kisses Of Fire
15.When All Is Said And Done
16.Ring Ring
The crossover setting that I selected on the Behringer DCX2496 for the JBL Control 5 with slightly different blend to give a warmer sound that gave the impression of BIG! Not saying what I’ve set at because that’s JBL sound polities, except it isn’t as harsh, top end was musical sweet and transparent.

Also I moved the JBL 4645 over to the left hand by as much as 5 ½ inches and this tightened on the low end while reducing some of boom.

My neighbour was impressed with bass rhythm that suddenly attacked him, “WHAT WAS THAT!” I said “your hearing this differently from your hi-fi would, you agree?” “Yes.”

I thoroughly enjoyed listening to the music it was harmonistically uplifting and pleasing. why this group had to split-up due to affairs, they had many more songs left in them.



The music DVD region 2 was good overall quality in picture and sound and the day I buy Bluray is the day DVD retires and that will be many years ahead.

There’s slight grain structure in some of the videos and some video texture in the video filmed productions that, I can live with.

Audio mix was played back in Dolby stereo pro-logic 4:2:4 “take a chance on me” (chapter 3) has most of the lyrics anchored to the centre channel while a few pans that’s (((“all I ask of you honey”))) moves outwards over the left and right fronts, while it filters into the monaural surrounds with pleasing smile.

I’m putting myself down to buying this for myself; I’ve looked around and see that DVD tesco is doing it for around £7.00 pounds delivered.

The sub bass extension (sw-re-mix) was putting plenty of low end kick that was easily felt and plenty of headroom.







JBL 4645
09-03-2008, 05:45 PM


This had to been one of George Lucas best films before Star Wars took cinemas by storm with the original (1977) anyway enough with Star Wars!





I first caught this film on TV many years ago and liked it from the moment rock around the clock started and knew deep down I was going to enjoy this film and enjoyed it I did. its got all the little qualities of growing up and being faced with moving away in Curt’s case and the one last night together with his friends.





Made in (1973) the DVD transfer looks fresh and gritty with the grain structure as it was filmed on 16mm to give it that documentary style of feeling, framed in scope 2.35:1 anamorphic and accompanied with Dolby stereo 4:2:4 it’s an all over good viewing with good line-up of characters and classic past time music as “Hotrods” cruise the streets. It’s got kissing dancing and mischief like hanging out with the Pharaohs.

Cast line up.

Richard Dreyfuss ... Curt Henderson
Paul Le Mat ... John Milner
Charles Martin Smith ... Terry 'The Toad' Fields (as Charlie Martin Smith)
Cindy Williams ... Laurie Henderson
Candy Clark ... Debbie Dunham
Wolfman Jack ... XERB Disc Jockey
Bo Hopkins ... Joe Young
Manuel Padilla Jr. ... Carlos
Beau Gentry ... Ants
Harrison Ford ... Bob Falfa
Jim Bohan ... Officer Holstein
Jana Bellan ... Budda
Deby Celiz ... Wendy

More at imdb
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069704/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069704/fullcredits#cast)

Montage of songs

1.Rock Around the Clock, (We're Gonna) - Bill Haley & His Comets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kes6jahveVg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kes6jahveVg)

2. Sixteen Candles - The Crests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLlm7BZ_vXg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLlm7BZ_vXg)

3. Runaway - Del Shannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yIaelSVhyM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yIaelSVhyM)

4. Why Do Fools Fall in Love - Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sAHiR0rkJg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sAHiR0rkJg)

5. That'll Be the Day - Buddy Holly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG2ZAqtcOcs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG2ZAqtcOcs)

6. Fannie Mae - Buster Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEB6YVZbo5M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEB6YVZbo5M)

7. At the Hop - Flash Cadillac & The Continental Kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219AydgdgHM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219AydgdgHM)

8. She's So Fine - Flash Cadillac & The Continental Kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J3qgDhUXSQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J3qgDhUXSQ)

9. Stroll, The - The Diamonds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Z4k6edoBM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Z4k6edoBM)

10. See You in September - The Tempos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGLjzFHa40 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGLjzFHa40)

11. Surfin' Safari - The Beach Boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS7SUFz36lg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS7SUFz36lg)

12. He's the Great Imposter - The Fleetwoods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2caUhBvIOIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2caUhBvIOIU)

13. Almost Grown - Chuck Berry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc7oGWgeA8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc7oGWgeA8s)

14. Smoke Gets in Your Eyes - The Platters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GizJz6BUBkI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GizJz6BUBkI)

15. Little Darlin' - The Diamonds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaHPgTdF1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaHPgTdF1g)

16. Peppermint Twist - Joey Dee & The Starliters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WIvZu4dPQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WIvZu4dPQQ)

17. Barbara Ann - The Regents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUghPkBXLIc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUghPkBXLIc)

18. Book of Love - The Monotones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xDwq8NM9G4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xDwq8NM9G4)

19. Maybe Baby - Buddy Holly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEHNFxXkILM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEHNFxXkILM)

20. Ya Ya - Lee Dorsey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5LnpErE6f4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5LnpErE6f4)

21. Great Pretender, The - The Platters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55wWiFi6BFo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55wWiFi6BFo)

22. Ain't That a Shame - Fats Domino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OG3uPULQRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OG3uPULQRs)

23. Johnny B. Goode - Chuck Berry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0YUA3yTUss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0YUA3yTUss)

24. I Only Have Eyes For You - The Flamingos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g_YPRfJXsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g_YPRfJXsU)

25. Get a Job - The Silhouettes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGthv-dJp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGthv-dJp4)

26. To the Aisle - The Five Satins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRb1-SAAIzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRb1-SAAIzs)

27. Do You Wanna Dance - Bobby Freeman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T6XIBIjKck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T6XIBIjKck)

28. Party Doll - Buddy Knox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcA_sd9TEHQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcA_sd9TEHQ)

29. Come Go With Me - The Del-Vikings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoa1utrZnz0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoa1utrZnz0)

30. You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful (And You're Mine) - Johnny Burnette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdbsm-cHZwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdbsm-cHZwk)

31. Love Potion No. 9 - The Clovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt7htnE1s4o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt7htnE1s4o)

32. Since I Don't Have You - The Skyliners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzyEd2soQkk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzyEd2soQkk)

33. Chantilly Lace - Big Bopper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtlNlTHe-_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtlNlTHe-_0)

34. Teen Angel - Mark Dinning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-AcC53OYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-AcC53OYY)

35. Crying in the Chapel - Sonny Til & The Orioles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykPbyoH-mY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykPbyoH-mY)

36. Thousand Miles Away, A - The Heartbeats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZRr3mH20w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZRr3mH20w)

37. Heart and Soul - The Cleftones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4tSFlJlMtI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4tSFlJlMtI)

38. Green Onions - Booker T. & The MG's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-Z_l907DY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-Z_l907DY)

39. Only You - The Platters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEe4zMBQlaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEe4zMBQlaQ)

40. Goodnight, Well It's Time to Go - The Spaniels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzC1xWX2dIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzC1xWX2dIA)

41. All Summer Long - The Beach Boys (((stereo)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Hryc5t2wQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Hryc5t2wQ)

JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 10:41 AM


Does anyone own the DVD and laserdisc and I’m sure the same goes with the other format discs. Have you found the film to be too bright on the left and right fronts?

I’ve slipped in the region 2 special edition and thou I’ve listened to the film many times over before, and struggling with the high end strings of violins and violas while some portions of overlap on the centre channel (audio masking) rendering some of the detail difficult to hear.

With the Behringer DCX2496 I can mute switch channels LCR around into different positions to see where the issues lie. What I found was the left channel HF was too high and lowering the level on the HF while playing back a particular scene or sequence and then resting on given level just for this film.

I could use the dynamic EQ that has been disengaged since a few weeks ago now and let that tackle the issue because the left HF is in my face when the Jerry Goldsmith score cuts in.

Could be balance issue when producing the film for DVD or it might be the same issue on laserdisc Dolby stereo 4:2:4 I’d have to run the PAL laserdisc to see if same amount of high frequency exists on that disc.

And don’t worry I’m not going to show any beaver shots I’ve read the rules LOL.

I think there’s a good amount of low end if the HF was just trimmed down on all three matching LCR its not as if I’m that hard of hearing, I mean if I can hear the HF in face then a little lowering will not harm it.


This is one of many scenes that, has Jerry’s score playing.





The subtlety of Catherine Tramell flinging away a fag has softness against the sound of sea breeze air and wind and score as little nip on the end of her nails, in the centre channel.



Foley effects and dialogue mix is okay sounding. softer musical cues have a lesser in my face when Det. Nick Curran and Gus Moran go back to Catherine Tramell house to ask her to pop along down to the station for a little questioning. The Music has moody lower beat that’s chilling now that I know who did it?

JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 10:42 AM
DME over the LCR

Note: Screen captures are not in total continuity with text.




Centre channel the low humming of the engine getting nearer a low level screech as the wheels slide over the slightly damp road, score is softer in the centre channel it could have been placed higher but its still fixed to the centre. Effects as Nick hammers the car up one many San Francisco high level streets, down narrow alleys and around bends knocking into wooden flower bed and taking metal pole out of the ground.




Still giving pursuit and then seeing that the driver as turned the car into his path, Nick furiously yelling out “you what to play huh” “come on - come on” the car sound effects have a nice recoding mix of lower humming for Nicks, Ford and for the Lotus Esprit a higher pitch now and then as the engine is revved up.



The car swerves out the way and head-into- barrier and over steep ledge hitting a telescopic light and crashing into the concrete with pieces breaking away. Nick stops his car and gets out the door slight lower in the centre channel mix is heard closing, behind him.


L/R Nick’s footstep’s is heard walking off to the left score is slightly higher then the centre channel, a few wet sounding footsteps is heard as he continues to walk towards his car.


JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 10:43 AM
A piano is heard clearly more to the right channel and while being softer on the left channel. The Lotus Esprit engine sound can be heard on left slightly while being softer on the right.

Slamming down on the accelerator and screechy wheel sounds with score come lively active drums a few of those cool tapping beating sounds wow, horns all clashing away cars both swooping in and out over left and right in (stereo) that is until the Lotus Esprit goes headfirst over the ledge with lower smashing crashing on L/R the centre was more of higher crashing sound impact.




JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 10:44 AM
Split-surrounds carried most of the score from the point where the action goes into the case sequence, brilliant while monitoring each channel on its own, the back of six sidewall surrounds beating away from side to side had me, looking with my head slightly titled from side to side listening and absorbing the scores details, wicked musical fun.

Most parts of the score was managing down to 40Hz thou very low level more around 63Hz and far more around the 100Hz region nicely balanced on (chapter 24) my mind then looks at the darkened street quiet street wondering if I can improve on the low frequency level, hardly any sound effects are used on the split-surrounds during the 2 minutes 46 seconds.










JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 12:39 PM
Jerry Goldsmith punches away some nice processional instruments and string and other, making this a thrilling moment and the heavy bass kick gave the JBL 4645 a wicked cinematic feeling.




JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 03:49 PM
There’s a cool sounding moment with good use of dialogue when Nick barges his way into Beth’s office red-faced. Walking towards Nelson’s office walking straight in and grabbing him, tossing him around the office, then being restrained by fellow officers at gunpoint!

The grabbing effect felt fairly realistic along with loud dialogue free from strain and distortion.











JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 03:50 PM

JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 04:37 PM

Chapter 10 side 2 PAL laserdisc which different from the region 2 DVD at 1 minute 13 seconds the scene is without music just dialogue and sound effects!

Chapter 17 DVD has a slightly underscored chilling score that is played on all channels in six-track and this isn’t present on the PAL laserdisc, not sure about the NTSC counterpart or Japanese laserdisc of special editions. I’m wondering if this is different on other regional DVD special editions or HD-DVD or the bluray format.

So get on the laserdisc and give it spin or the DVD or other format discs and give me some feedback on this scene.






JBL 4645
09-04-2008, 05:18 PM

Wow looks like this has been a good sounding perfect year for DVD.

From £13.97

JBL 4645
09-06-2008, 09:43 AM
After listening more than a few share of films on DVD and monitoring the surrounds only while all other channels are on mute. So hare is the best sounding surround effects sound effects music doesn’t particularly count here, it’s the atmosphere of the city that I’m listening to and other inner-surroundings.

So if you what to do something different mute disconnect the LCR and LFE.1 and leave sub only for the surround channel along with the surround speaker arrays.

1 Star Trek The Motion Picture (1979) original and the best sounding Dolby stereo 4:2:4 matrix.

A futuristic 23rd century, atmosphere with thunderous overhead on all channels, as the shuttle craft approaches Star Fleet Command headquarters, with the Golden Gate Bridge in the background. The lobby is cowed with a slight reverb echo, of crosstalk from LCR but very low level.

Directors-cut special edition Dolby 5.1 (1979 - 2000)

Again futuristic 23rd century, Shuttle craft approaches Star Fleet Command headquarters alongside the left sidewall arrays, Jerry Goldsmith score accompanies most of the scene. As the shuttle taxies it way slowly into the lobby, there is mild gentle atmosphere that is different from the original.

When Kirk talks to Commander Sonak while going up an escalator there’s a reverb sound of both talking.





JBL 4645
09-06-2008, 09:44 AM
2 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) / Special Edition

Star Fleet command 23rd century training simulator of the U.S.S. Enterprise has deep trembling low end of shuddering engine sound, as the simulator goes though different phases of the training operation, an (alarm) is sounded of high pitch, this followed by second alarm of lower pitch and then a deep kicking low end as the rear doors open, to revel Admiral Kirk. The simulator goes into close down mode with compression sound.

As Kirk, enters though a door he sees Spock, the background has tweeting bird sounds and futuristic soft sound of vacuum cleaner that fades out during the front stage conversation. The background has an almost air-condition ventilation sound that fully surrounds, its extremely mild in level and there are ways to heighten this effect, and tame the extreme dynamic range level when it kicks in later! Kirk laves Spock as he enters though a door with slight compression (hiss) sound as the door opens its heard about halfway between left and partly on right and different, intervals in time.

A mild fog horn is heard in the background as Kirk, stands in front of large window that looks over the bay area of San Francisco. Kirk, walks towards door has hears upfront sound (ping) the surrounds are quiet at point, door (hiss) open and closes with lower (whoosh), fog horn can still be heard at different intervals during there conversation, it gets slightly louder in different parts of the scene with higher and lower pitches. A slight cracking of the fire place can be heard and clock chiming in the background as McCoy begs to his friend to get back his command, before turning into part of his collection of antiques.











JBL 4645
09-06-2008, 09:46 AM
3 Star Trek III: The Search For Spock / Special Edition (1984)

Admiral Kirk’s home his friends join him in toast to a dear parting friend the background is virtually silent apart from a (whooshing low level sound) of the door opening, thou harder up front. Score mostly plays out with sombre mood. Later beside the computer there’s low mechanical whining sound of about 10 drives running, LOL or it could be the cooling system to run the computer super-cool.




Chapter 4 Star Fleet Command, an overhead announcer is heard “space dock shuttle departs in 15 minutes” there’s a whispering air-condition sound that surrounds the scene “Commander Chekov, com channel 5 commander Chekov.” “Earth Shuttle, arriving south space port.”




“Admiral Tie, call operations control.”

[Pinging sound] “Captain Styles, too the briefing room level 10. Captain Styles.” [Ping]

McCoy enters cantina with distant echo sound that not quite understandable?


From listening to variances of different Dolby mixes, there’s a low level noise background that could benefit from Dolby A/SR type module being patched into the system, its not too much of an annoyance, but it is there so listen, listen REAL HARD!

A few strange sound effects can be heard during the conversation between McCoy and the Alien with large ears!

As Admiral Kirk enters a Federation security complex the surrounds sound like there’s deep cooling air-condition system running. The cooling air-condition system is soon interrupted by James Horner score that kicks in with a lot of string and percussion and deep, deep, deep bass, now then.



While Cmdr. Uhura awaits her friends arrival at one many transporters bays, she is forced to tell Mr. Wonderful, to get into the closet! Engaging the transporters system Kirk and crew are beamed away with low level of energy and Horner’s wonderful score sparkles away brilliantly.


And that’s it we are no longer now in San Francisco!

JBL 4645
09-06-2008, 10:13 AM


His crime: nonconformity. His sentence: the chain gang. Paul Newman plays one of his best-loved roles as Cool Hand Luke, the loner who won`t - or can`t - bend to the arbitrary rules of his captivity. A cast of fine character actors, including George Kennedy in his Oscar-winning role of Dragline and the indelible Jo Van Fleet as Luke`s mother, give Newman solid support. And Strother Martin is the Captain who taunts Luke with the now-legendary line, "What we`ve got here is... failure to communicate." No failure here. With rich humor and vibrant storytelling power, Cool Hand Luke succeeds resoundingly.

More info...
Language: English, English,Spanish, SpanishNo. of disks: 1Producer: Gordon CarrollSound format: Dolby Digital, MonoCatalogue number: DY15722Aspect ratio: 2.40:1,WidescreenDVD special features
Commentary By Historian/Newman Biographer Eric Lax.

New Documentary A Natural-Born World-Shaker: Making Cool Hand Luke.

Theatrical Trailer.

JBL 4645
09-08-2008, 12:02 PM
By the way “prick up your ears” isn’t a rude word, it simply means, listen!




I seem to remember a version being true to the cinematic theatrical release of DIE HARD (1988) if, you really pay attention to sound you’ll know what I’m talking about. This occurs on the first edition DVD and the second edition region 2 had a somewhat different placement of most of the (sound effects).

When Hans points the Beretta 92 at McClane and when pulling on the trigger the sound was originally positioned to (screen right) on the English track first edition the sound is re-positioned to (centre).

Now pull out the earlier widescreen laserdisc editions or the later THX laserdisc Dolby six-track not sure if this is the same for the dts six-channel laserdisc as I’ve only owned several copies and regret selling the THX laserdisc.

You’ll notice the differences if listening between the different, language tracks on the first edition in Spanish you’ll hear the ordinal placement. Also on the special edition you’ll here the original placement on the audio commentary tracks forget about the dts it’s the same botched up version!

Most of the (sound effects) placement on the, earlier editions sound completely different to the DVD versions and quite possible HD discs, so prick up those ears!!!!





JBL 4645
09-16-2008, 10:56 PM
Here is another simple way of making the surrounds and centre channel fully active!

Note: this in no way degrades the decoding rather than enhancing the movie enjoyment!:)

Most common uses and there are load of common home cinema, theatre uses that maybe unaware because you follow the rules too much.

Okay so what do you need, well first you’ll need an array of surrounds lined down the sidewalls and across the rear wall.

Next a Dolby pro-logic decoder and use the main AVR to do most of the decoding whether its Dolby or dts 5.1, doesn’t make any differences.

One of two ways of blending the monaural matrix that is borrowed from the fronts is sent to an additional Dolby pro-logic decoder where the fronts will be re-plugged to function in the same way as before, providing your set-up is made-up of separates!

Take the matrix rear from the Dolby pro-logic decoder and send it to an audio mixer, plug it into one of the many line inputs say for example you use line input (1) and set the (pan pot) to centre position!

Now take the surround outputs from the main AVR decoder and send its two outputs to line inputs (2 and 3) set the pan pots for line 2 to left and line 3 to right this will send the signal out in (((stereo))).

Next use the line outputs left and right and plug it into a second Dolby pr-logic decoder and use that for normal surround or centre back surround or other!

Now set the levels just like any other ordinary set-up the only difference is the mixer and the levels on the additional Dolby pro-logic decoders than needs balancing.

Once you’ve sorted that out turn off the fronts, mute if you’re using a loudspeaker management crossover system or disconnect the wire terminals for LCR and switch of the sub bass because you need to pay attention to the surrounds!

Set the Dolby pro-logic decoder to one and you can mute the discrete surrounds from the main AVR with a flick of few switches on the audio mixer line (2 and 3). use the faders on the mixer and raise the level on line (1) make sure you have set the level with (pink noise) wide band from a calibration disc, thou the matrix won’t be trigged in this function unless there’s an anti-phase signal present.

So use you’ll have to figure the levels out for yourself, that is what I did.

Play a film that has no surround information and then use the matrix bland of the fronts to give a wrap-around-effect all the time rather than a dull lifeless effect in the room.


DVD cover taken from the region 1 DVD that is the same as region 2.

Here is an example of one film A View To A Kill (1985) the surrounds are monaural on the film, but have good steering when they come into use. The opening credits chapter (2) is only played over L/R thou I’m not sure if the newer James Bond films have re-mixed it, because the first edition just rocks if you know how?


If you what the lyrics in the active in the centre channel, real easy, just add a preamplifier and route the centre channel from the first Dolby pro-logic decoder and plug the other centre channel output from the main AVR into the preamplifier and set it to (mono mode) now use the level on the Dolby pro-logic decoder to set the correct amount of balance, or just have tinker around with it.

The Paris scene chapter 6 has a background traffic ambiance a few subtle echo voices in the distance in the restaurant scene, or the guitar playing a few notes. The scene goes mute but the soft whistle surrounds.

(♪ Flamenco guitar intro)



The John Barry score slowly starts to fade in at 16m.42s on the discrete surrounds but if you what this to happen earlier then use the level on the matrix surround where the music starts up front at
16m.30s just as Mayday enters the room with strings playing tense moment that gradually increases, till the point that the Mayday casts the line out onto Achille Aubergine gets the point!





JBL 4645
09-18-2008, 04:22 PM

ASDA prce £2.00 pounds


David Fincher scores yet again with another tense thriller starring (Jodie Foster) divorced Meg Altman with her daughter Sarah (Kristen Stewart) how have locked themselves in the “Panic Room” from which no intruder can enter from the outside, that is until (Forrest Whitaker) Burnham and his accomplices enter the home Raoul (Dwight Yoakam) and Junior (Jared Leto).


Picture was good as it can be for DVD framed at 2.40:1 scope the film mostly takes place in darkly lit house flesh tones looked a bit muted in parts where other parts that had some light looked surprisingly good.


Sound got my attention from the opening credits Howard Shore’s score has a few thrilling intensified cues with Foley footsteps running towards the panic room as the crocks try to beat in ceiling with sledgehammer from underneath and then try from the side with a gas bottle rigged to hole in the wall that gradually fills up. Meg uses lighter to send explode the bottle from the outside before they both chock to death.

The sequence where Burnham is drilling into the wall sounded very realistic with the muffled directional sound to screen right. It even made me look towards the floor thinking someone was doing some late-night drilling LOL.



Score plays nicely with small beats in the music that is until the gas is sparked with high level strings on the score and effects the bottle spins around and brakes apart pieces fly though the air embedding into the ceiling. You’ll get the sense of being in the Panic Room as the sound goes to a narrow claustrophobia to the livelily echoes of the house as the crocks run around dialogue bouncing around.

This is a film I could watch over again coming it at 1 hour 47 minutes is nicely paced in the editing thou it may be slow at first, it only takes 15 minutes before it warms up.

Extras A little bone dry here with only Trailer teaser and director cast filmographies

JBL 4645
09-23-2008, 01:51 PM



Well was it worth the wait for region 2, yes for picture and a big no for sound because Warner Home Video UK have pulled a fast one with Dolby 2.0 aka Dolby stereo 4:2:4 rather than the promised Dolby 5.1 aka six-track Dolby stereo discrete.

I’ve taken new measures to make steps to going towards region 1. I’ve found a past supplier that once supplied laserdiscs and now do DVD and HD discs. So in a few weeks I’ll order a region 1 DVD that is Dolby 5.1 and then look for a good multi regional DVD player that as HDMI support and up scaling conversation 1080i.



So what do I think of the film after not seeing it for years in near decent form, television broadcast certainly didn’t do the Todd-AO image justice rather than only getting half the image. The colours look spectacularly for 32 year old film that has most certainly turned “black.”

Sound well as I mentioned it not a positive outlook for Warner Home Video UK it’s a real thumbs down for rushing it thou I’ve been waiting for nearly 2 months and it looks like I may have to wait another 2 months to get fully set-up for multi region because I’ve read it’s a bit tricky with some titles.


The Jerry Goldsmith score opened the film with a dramatic operatic loudness and it took a few adjustments to get the bass extension to play correctly over the JBL 4645 while switching off the other smaller sub bass and using the (sw-re-mix) to handle the films lower end.

Monaural matrix surrounds had minimal dialogue crosstalk and thou its hard to tell which is a surround effect and which is just LCR music crosstalk between different parts of the score or effects, I’ll have to wait till I get my hands on six-track version for closer analysis.

LCR fronts retained the crazy dialogue panning with hard left and right and pans slightly in-between while effects panned nicely over LCR. There was an very low level roughness that seems to be the type of mixing techniques that were used at the time or its something else, it’s not an annoying sound but I can hear it.

The near end sequence with the domes exploding and rumbling was hitting me in the chest while vibrating the sofa.

Extras a bit thin with “A Look Into The 23rd Century” also audio commentary that’s been patched together at different times don’t seem to be in the same room together. Director (Michael Anderson) costume designer (Bill Thomas) and actor (Michael York) give behind the scenes details of the production.


JBL 4645
09-28-2008, 04:10 PM
Viewed this back in April 2008 and was just given this a slight replay tonight.


Bargain at Somerfields at £3.99 and it’s been at least few years since I’ve seen it in the stores anywhere for sale!

I’ll view it over later tomorrow as it’s getting on a bit at the moment. Can’t wait to hear the discrete Dolby 5.1 as it sounded okay on VHS PAL tape back around early (1996) when it was realised.

Technical details

Production notes
Cast & filmmakers notes
Universal weblinks



Viewed it in its true form of 2.35:1 scope and John Carpenter is big fan of the widescreen image and this looked better than the Pan&Scan version which I’ve seen on VHS and TV where no justice was done to preserve the image unlike the DVD had nice soft natural colours contrast on the CRT was clear brightness held the dark shadows with good balance, yeah sure I liked this version over the other version I’ve seen in the past.




Sound was top notch with wide stereo at the front and well reproduced dialogue clearly spoken. Sound effects as the children’s eye glow with bursts of energy emitting outwards and one by one they start to take control of the town with there powers. Music is pure John Carpenter style with Dave Davies that sounds neat in the discrete Dolby 5.1 where the centre channel carries a different musical beat which is noticeable during the end credits.



JBL 4645
09-28-2008, 04:26 PM
LFE.1 was used sparingly but effective when it comes into use. Most of the lower bass was covered by the LCR with occasional low end from the stereo surrounds which where played back with centre back and matrix overhead filled the viewing area.




The mysterious shadowy cloud that moves over the town fully envelops uniformly with the different spacing of the sidewall surrounds that blends nicely into the fronts.

JBL 4645
10-01-2008, 06:32 AM
Just how realistic are ambient sound and do they often fit within the room without being too exaggerated in loudness.

I tested one scene from a film that I was looking over with low end frequency waterfalls. Then one scene caught my attention with "Executive Decision" (1996) when Doctor Grant played by (Kurt Russell)



The levels of the AVR was set at -9db separates with DCX2496 amplifiers Alesis RA300 LF and Marantz 1050 HF all set to comfortable room levels.




The scene when demonstrated was heard with an extreme mild level on the left and right with part of (Kurt Russell’s dialogue heard on left and right) but at an extreme low level “If this was DZ5” with haunting knocking music sound on the left and right.


The centre is slight different mix with more of the water droplet sound effect into the glass as it plops down into the water.



The level is around or within 50dba at 1metre distance.

I tested the idea out with plastic cup filled with water and placed within the same area, only don’t place water on top of electrical items! I conducted a few delicate tests and the water dropped within close proximity.



The crossover frequency for DCX2496, is set for each channel is equal the bass-mid at 1Khz and HF at 1Khz upwards. While muting the HF I found that the sound was more than audible while (left and right was muted) the centre LF produced more than enough audible range. With LF muted and HF running it was somewhat different sound far lesser.

While looking the centre channel EQ the effect is 1 KHz thou it might be just a little more wider.

LCR front loudspeakers used are JBL control 5.

JBL 4645
10-01-2008, 06:34 AM
Just being watching Alien Nation Dolby stereo 4.1

Now this is sickening ambient sound that made me, cringe as George poured the stale sour milk into the glass and if you think I’m going to try this out, please be my, guest I don’t relish the thought of throwing up outside the window.






The texture of the detail of the milk slopping out of the milk carton sounded so realistic on the centre channel. “Well my daughter’s got a husband. I got a partner. He really ain’t half bad, except when he’s got that rotten milk on his breath.”
Matthew Sykes, Alien Nation

JBL 4645
10-01-2008, 12:48 PM

Wow this was an uplifting film to revisit though the use of DVD loaded with extras galore that give insight to Jim Henson vision characters are likable from Hoggle, Ludo, Didymus helping Sarah though the adventurous Labyrinth with only 13 hours to find her baby brother Toby before the goblin king, Jareth, before he transforms the baby into goblin. Maze after maze has different cheaters from the Henson work shop often misleading Sarah down the wrong path.

Picture framed in 2.35:1 scope looks fabulous over panned and scanned TV viewing colours are pleasing as too is contrast and brightness looked easy on the eye with dark shadowy scenes as Sarah goes deeper into the Labyrinth.




JBL 4645
10-01-2008, 12:53 PM
Sound after running a quick check via muting each channel over LCR to see how well the mix was as well as checking the surrounds, I ran the film though and was smiling all the way though, dialogue intolerability came though without effort or strain over the JBL control 5, mild effects panned from side to side. Music was surrounding with right up to the end credits David Bowie’s “Underground” theme the just enveloped perfectly even while standing at the back of the room or right up front.



LFE.1 track had a few rumbles and slams thou I noticed a good moment, when Sarah checks on the baby chapter 3 Trevor Jones score has beating sound lots of thunder randomly rolls around tell goblin king Jareth turns up with deep low that is satisfactory enough.




I was surprised that Jennifer Connelly was only 14 at the time and she acted like a professional for her age, that’s kinder, rare in teenagers even today, she’s a talented actress.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091369/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091369/fullcredits#cast)

Quote from In-70mm
Labyrinth J-D-C June 27 (USA) 6-Track Dolby Stereo TriStar US 70mm release unconfirmed. Title is listed in the book “Wide Screen Movies.” According to Lucasfilm, no 70mm prints were struck. 70mm presentation advertised in Dallas (at a theatre believed to be equipped for 35mm-only!).

JBL 4645
10-09-2008, 11:36 AM
Opening bass line to Jurassic Park music by John Williams has a slight chilling feel to it, tampering with Mother Nature, is bad idea. Here are two frequency graphs showing slight differences between English 5.1 and German 5.1, I couldn’t be asked to test the other languages that where in Dolby 4:2:4.

Might give it a re-viewing again ether tonight or maybe over the weekend.



JBL 4645
10-12-2008, 11:55 AM

Picture framed 2.35: 1 scope is clear though the entire running time

Sound was just a blast of fun to listen to lots happening in this Dolby six-track mix.

Subtle effects in Drax’s office chapter 10 has a ticking clock to the screen left while traffic cars and horns can be heard over on right while softly be sifted around in and out of the centre, dialogue remind clear all the way though film, location shots around the exotic islands of Thailand, was very nice.





JBL 4645
10-12-2008, 12:03 PM
Sub bass and LFE.1 was plentifully in this action adventure.








JBL 4645
10-16-2008, 07:13 PM
Brought Casino yesterday for £3.00 pounds not a bad price thou.



Sam Nicky, I want to talk to that f&ckin’ bitch.
Nicky Hey. Be f&ckin’ nice. Clam. Be nice. Don’t f&ck up in here.

Image framed at 2.35:1 super35 letterbox edition as this was the only version ASDA had the image was a bit jittery on freeze frame I mean I had to find a good enough stable image to get screen captures as it had blur effects written all over it.


Colours looked a bit odd in places. Brightness and contrast held up. Well if the other version should come along I’ll try it, because this one seemed like bit of rush job in the transfer.

Sound Dolby digital 5.1 originally intended for dts it’s brilliant from start to end and thou its not really an effects film its mostly focused on dialogue that is mostly narrative speared over the LCR with slight few db down on the L/R and when some film dialogue comes in underneath the narrative where its isolated only to the centre channel. A few occasional off-screen dialogue pans are heard though the lengthy 178 minute running.


The desert scene with (Robert DeNiro) Sam “Ace” Rothstein and (Joe Pesci) Nicky Santoro is cool sounding moment its dryness with mild fluttery windy breeze blowing on the split-surrounds its very soft indeed, the music effects levels on some moments needs a special black box to tame the higher levels.

Bass and sub bass level’s over the LCRS is rather soft while it seems intentional for only the LFE.1 to add dramatic enhancement at key moments like the car bomb explosion.

The swearing in the film is pure Scorsese class chapter 13 when Sam goes to Nick’s restaurant to speak to his drugged out wife. The use of the C word makes me chuckle DeNiro is perfect. This isn’t happy type of film it’s a real downer with some gruesome scenes like sticking a guys head between a vice!

Casino f&uckin short version http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_B-GhvPgU (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_B-GhvPgU)

And why mess up a good thing. And that’s that.
Sam “Ace” Rothstein Casino (1995)


JBL 4645
10-16-2008, 07:15 PM


Dark comedy about the fountain of youth, found in small bottle can be the death of you? Death Becomes Her is devilish film with some wickedly awesome visual effects devised by the talent of Robert Zemeckis and crated by wizards at ILM Industrial Light & Magic, academy award® winner best visual effects (1992). Meryl Streep Goldie Hawn fight-over beauty love and jealously for Bruce Willis.


Image framed at 1.85:1 W/S has slight pinkish look to the picture that was also found on the PAL laserdisc. Contrast and brightness hold up well in the dark shadows while some outside scenes tend to look a bit off with sky colour, not sure if this is intentional?



Sound Dolby stereo 4:2:4 has some modest degree of bass and sub bass extension levels, dialogue level remains focused with a few dialogue pans being moved over LCR and surrounds towards the end of the film.


You pushed me down the stairs Earnest.
Madeline Ashton Death Becomes Her (1992)

10-16-2008, 07:21 PM
Brought Casino yesterday for £3.00 pounds not a bad price thou.

And why mess up a good thing. And that’s that.
Sam “Ace” Rothstein Casino (1995)

Of course, you DID read the obits today, right?


Frank 'Lefty' Rosenthal, 79; Ran Vegas Casinos for the Mob

By Tamara Lush
Associated Press
Thursday, October 16, 2008; Page B07

Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal -- sports handicapper extraordinaire, Las Vegas gaming executive and the inspiration for the blockbuster movie "Casino" -- died Oct. 13 in his Miami Beach condo after a heart attack, a fire-rescue spokeswoman said. He was 79.

Mr. Rosenthal, who once survived a car bomb, ran the Chicago mob-owned Stardust, Fremont, Hacienda and Marina casinos through the 1970s and into the mid-1980s.

Although Sports Illustrated once crowned him as the greatest living expert on sports handicapping, Mr. Rosenthal eventually wound up being listed in Nevada's "Black Book" of unsavory types banned from the state's casinos because of his ties with the Mafia.

"He's one of the originals," said Nick Pileggi, the author and screenwriter of "Casino." "When Lefty went down, the new Las Vegas emerged. The corporate Las Vegas."

Born in Chicago in 1929, Frank Lawrence Rosenthal learned the gambling trade through illegal bookmaking operations and made friends with Chicago mobsters, ties that would last a lifetime.

In 1961, he appeared before a Senate hearing on gambling and organized crime during which he invoked Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination 38 times -- and kept his left hand aloft throughout while doing so, thus garnering the nickname, "Lefty."

Mr. Rosenthal's Mafia ties might have also taken him beyond the realm of gambling; federal documents claimed that in the 1960s he was associated with a CIA-connected, Cuban American anti-Castro militant named Luis Posada Carriles. Mr. Rosenthal and Carriles denied these claims.

In 1968, Mr. Rosenthal went to Las Vegas, presiding over a city in transition, from a Mafia-infused hotbed of sin to a sanitized, global entertainment destination.

Although Mr. Rosenthal ran four casinos, he didn't have a Nevada gaming license. A 1971 indictment in California for conspiracy in interstate transportation in aid of racketeering helped prevent him from obtaining one.

And his ties to organized crime, especially with reputed mobster Tony Spilotro, got him into hot water.

Spilotro was indicted in a skimming scheme, along with about 14 others, which also sealed Mr. Rosenthal's fate with gaming regulators, who ended up putting both men in Nevada's Black Book of people excluded from casinos.

Spilotro also had an affair with Mr. Rosenthal's estranged wife, Geri -- one of the many dramatic moments of Mr. Rosenthal's life that played out in the movie "Casino."

Michael Green, a history professor at the College of Southern Nevada in Las Vegas, said Mr. Rosenthal was pushed out in the late 1970s and early 1980s when Las Vegas began to shed its image of being under the control of organized crime. The transformation became complete years later, with the emergence of corporate gambling interests.

On Oct. 4, 1982, Mr. Rosenthal turned the key in his Cadillac and ignited a fiery explosion that ruined the car but didn't kill him. The case was never solved.

Mr. Rosenthal left Las Vegas soon after and eventually landed in South Florida, where he ran a sports betting Web site and served as a consultant for offshore online casinos.

Despite his mob ties, shady bookmaking allegations and game-fixing probes, he had few brushes with the law.

"I don't believe he ever spent a day in jail while I was representing him," said Oscar Goodman, Las Vegas mayor and former Rosenthal attorney. "There were plenty of people who were shooting for him, and I'm sure if you ask law enforcement, they didn't care for him.

"But he always treated me with respect and dignity, and he paid his bills on time," Goodman said.

Last year, Mr. Rosenthal explained to the Miami Herald what it takes to be a better gambler.

"No secrets to a winning formula," he said. "It takes years, perhaps more, to establish a rigid form of self-discipline. You must also be prepared to accept a lifestyle that requires an aspect of personal sacrifice, and bumpy roads along the way."

Image below - Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal invoked the Fifth Amendment 38 times before a Senate panel investigating organized crime.
Photo Credit: 1961 Associated Press Photo

JBL 4645
10-16-2008, 07:31 PM
I think it’s a bit strange and creepy buying this film after finding out he only passed 4 days ago. I was also reading that the show he televised from the Casino had guest on the show Frank Sinatra with connections to organized crime, weird huh.

JBL 4645
10-19-2008, 01:48 AM

I’ve heard some good views on this and that’s good enough for me.;)

Extended cut and theatrical version of the HANCOCK, plus many other extras packed in this 2 disc set of the summertime box office smash hit.

http://www.sphe-trade.co.uk/hancocktesco/ (http://www.sphe-trade.co.uk/hancocktesco/)

10-19-2008, 09:22 AM
And Then........

JBL 4645
10-21-2008, 01:50 AM
Please note: this is the same scene being repeated while taking different readings of the JBL control 1 arrays.

The first graph is without the sub bass extension turn on or rather it was (in mute) while the split surrounds played in standard stereo mode with centre back turned off, follow?

Note: around the 50 and 90Hz region on the in-room frequency waterfall graphs of Underworld Evolution slight gaps well I see that as no big deal and that can be fixed with room treatment or parametric EQ.

The higher end of the spectrum shows a slightly fuller response as its near to 120Hz mark Note small traces of below the 120Hz even 80Hz with a some 70Hz and then falling off down to 50Hz 40Hz and I’ve heard the low end even from (Star Trek Nemesis where Picrad drives out sci-fi 4x4 vehicle with wind blowing gently on the surrounds there’s a deep low end oomph as the 4x4 vehicle flies out of the rear cargo hold).

Anyway getting back to Underworld Evolution it handles well with the control 1dispte some of the newbie’s views on them. I’ve been using these for well over a year and if I felt disappointed with there performance I would have gotten my money back well over a year ago.

I’ve heard a pair of speakers twice there size in fact there used to place the right-centre front up near to same height as the LCR AIWA SX-77 they sound too boxy on there own and the passive crossover inside them LOL what a joke.

Anyway lets not get sidetracked hare okay.



JBL 4645
10-21-2008, 01:50 AM
The second graph is with sub bass extension on and as you can see there’s marginal difference starting to happen. The level output sent to the Eltax which is controlled by the audio mixer next to the sofa so I needn’t have to get up, just control the flow of the level from the mixers console. It was set half way and the level on the Eltax is only set to around 11 o’clock. Plus the signal’s for LCRS passes though the Behreinger FBQ2496 with EQ filters set in place.


JBL 4645
10-21-2008, 01:51 AM
The third graph has the level turned to max on the mixer or not as max as you might think, I don’t what to overwhelm the surrounds with excessive bass because any sudden dynamic output from another film might curse damage and so far I’ve been lucky.

Note: the spectrum starting to fill up a bit now. Note: there are a few gaps and that’s no big deal this can be addressed later on or explored to see what the issue is? Maybe simple EQ parametric and since I don’t have DEQ2496 installed at this time I’ll have to wait bit won’t I.


JBL 4645
10-21-2008, 01:52 AM
The fourth graph shows the direct link from summed sub bas low pass output from the surrounds decoder to mixer to pc direct. Note: the gaps are closed up and more full so all I have to do is use REW and redo the EQ but since I don’t have DEQ2496 for the LCRS I’d have to be patient and wait till I have the money to afford at least 5 DEQ2496.





JBL 4645
10-22-2008, 09:18 AM


The first time I brought this was a few years ago that was special edition version that sadly didn’t play well on the Kenwood KRF-X9050D THX select in Dolby digital that resulted in (fluttering pit a patter) sound on the digital track strange huh? Well I took back to ASDA and tried another version of the same “edition version” same fault?

Well earlier this morning on a trip down to Sommerfields to do a little grouchy shopping I noticed The Untouchables I remembered the misfortune a few years and after checking the back of the DVD to see which version it was. (Oh, it’s a first edition just repackaged) so I took the chance if it doesn’t play with the same issues as last time, because I feared it was sometime to do with the complex encoding on the digital?

At £2.99 what deal I mean that’s cheaper than cinema ticket today unless it’s the Empire Leicester Square where money is no object. The Untouchables also played at the Empire one of the finest UK cinemas around.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/wink.gif

Yippee it plays and wow, wow, wow what Dolby mix it is clear discrete over the opening titles by (Ennio Morricone) beats out wallop over the JBL control 5 on left and right mostly over the main title opening then a few beats come into the centre channel followed with a few LFE.1 aka “baby boom” beats that slam several times!

One thing I also noticed was that the surrounds remained quiet up until the first usage of surrounds which comes in at 37m.49s just after Al Capone played by (Robert De Niro) goes completely batty and whacks one his own team members in full view of members around a table that also slammed on the LFE.1 track that accompanied the LCR. Just as the camera moves upwards the score cuts in on all-channels.

Edit: correction after backtracking slightly with chapter 9, 32m.31s “liquor raid” I noticed the surrounds but incredibly soft in level output. No worries I have plenty of tricks up my sleeve to improve this!

I’m still reviewing film as this is one many favourites of mine a classic film that is hardly dated and plays fine today as it did when it opened 18 September 1987 (UK).

I’m not certain as yet if the score is monaural on the surrounds and the effects in stereo I’ll update this after I’ve finished watching it though. As of now I’m just pleased I got aversion that plays and plays fine. region 2 screen captures and more coming late in the day. “Hear endeth the lesion.”

Heavy facts on gangster Al Capone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone)

This is what the special edition looks like and word is that the Motorola chip inside the Kenwood is a bit dicey, but I’ve only had issues with two films Pearl Harbor (2001) and let me tell you! I’ve tired several versions of that two disc and single disc with no luck what so ever. Okay, since I have nearly 1000 DVD titles now, and only two out that plus nearly all the Paramount Pictures titles I have no issues.


JBL 4645
10-22-2008, 09:19 AM
Pictured framed in 2.35:1 anamorphic scope has a crystal clear all the way though image that can’t be faulted. The slit lens Doppler effect between Ness and Malone in the church looks wonderful by Cinematography by (Stephen H. Burum) whose done a few films with Brian De Palma










JBL 4645
10-24-2008, 01:02 AM

Picked up a reduced prehistoric gem Jurassic Park III and it is framed in 1.85:1W/S I was sure it was scope in the cinema? Maybe it was seeing the SDDS logo on the end credits that I remember?

This film flipping vibrated the sofa if not the whole flat BIG TIME on the LFE.1 track.

Dramatic dinosaur attack chapter 5, with something bigger! It has good ole gobble just as the airplane barely clears it, clipping the lading gear the airplane goes into nose-dive into the trees that surround the area.

Left and right summed sub bass direct!
Centre channel sub bass direct!
Surrounds left and right summed sub bass direct!
LFE.1 track aka boom channel baby boom direct!

JBL 4645
10-24-2008, 01:14 AM

Picked up a reduced in price bargain a classic all-time favourite the original “The Thing from Another World” that interestingly enough features a colourized version of the film. Also original B&W with commentary by horror maestro John Carpenter this should turn to be a good listen after I’ve viewed the films.

Well I finished watching the first part of the B&W original and was half-way though the audio commentary last night before I had to get some kip because I was flipping knackered. I’ll pick up from where I left it last time. So far the audio commentary is a good listen too.

Soundtrack on the film was plentiful loud and clear. It showed signs of slight noise due to the recoding techniques I’m sure a few frequency waterfalls will show just where about the low frequency noise is. It wasn’t distracting in fact I rather liked it the way it is.

Cigarette burns queue marks for reel change over where also on the film and I liked that all the way haven’t seen them in quite a while.

JBL 4645
10-24-2008, 01:18 AM


Picked up a reduced classic H.G. “Wells War of the Worlds” I’ll get around to seeing this later in the evening that’s providing of course I don’t get too distracted by JP III.

Extras galore on this DVD should be rather entertaining when I get around to viewing it over sometime late in the day, or the very least over the weekend. Film has a stereo surround mix Dolby 4:2:4 hmm, not sure if the original was stereo maybe late remix in later years?

Animated DVD main menu with title score playing over it in repeat, until you press play the main menu repeats over and over and over, cool.

JBL 4645
10-25-2008, 12:45 AM
Wow very impressive it’s the best version of The War of the Worlds I’ve seen and heard and felt over the television broadcast that I saw many years ago…For this version I used Dolby stereo pro-logic as it its encoded stereo 2.0 left and right so I manually switched to Dolby stereo and selected sw-re-mix to divert the bass to the main JBL 4645 sub bass.

Impact of the alien craft on chapter 2 was cool. Sounded like the frequency response impact was within 40Hz 60Hz? At present I’m listening to the original Mercury Theatre (1938) radio play that is part of bonus extras on the single DVD that runs for 59m.09s.

The Technicolor depth was nice and deep on this transfer. Picture is academy ratio 1.33:1 and that’s how it should be left with no artificial matting.

Oh this is interesting just found this fact about the soundtrack. 3 Channel Stereo (Western Electric Multi-Track Magnetic Stereophonic) (35 mm magnetic prints) | Mono (Western Electric Recording) (35 mm optical prints)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046534/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046534/)







JBL 4645
10-29-2008, 01:24 PM
Well picked up this morning from ASDA £16.00 pounds almost sounds miserable. For starters the cardboard sleeve isn’t too bad as artwork design goes. It’s the cover design for the plastic DVD box that sucks mega sucks I should have gotten the single DVD disc. Or may I suggest that the artwork design be two-side cover that way one can chose what cover they like.

This part of the artwork design is a cardboard sleeve the artwork for the DVD itself has Tony Stark on the front and Iron Man on the back it sucks, because I always put the cardboard in the kitchen cupboard along with rest.


This is the single DVD artwork looks super cool.


Now the moment of truth is the six-track Dolby stereo digital mix going to be all, that the hype as made it to be and I’ve got the best ears for my age.

It was rather low key for sound sure it has lows wow big Whoopee Goldberg big deal. Just not enough directional sounds happening with lots and lots of crazy dialogue panning now that would have pricked my ears. Sorry guys this was just one of those summertime action flicks that should had more in regards to sound. It was too centralized a few whizzes pass the sidewall surrounds and the odd few centre back sounds just not enough.

It vibrated the concrete floor shuddered the sofa with cool lows but if that is what all the fuss was about I’d sooner watch Indiana Jones and Last Crusade.

I noted a few Saving Private Ryan sound effects and then it clicked I knew Skywalker Sound was behind this it was the bullet impacts into metal like the ones on the beach landing at the start of the film, you need to listen real hard.

I’ll ran Iron Man a few more times on the main DVD player gather some hard core action frequency graphs than get some screen captures on the pc DVD player then retire the film to box. Just disappointed and it’s not over next up from Paramount Pictures is Indiana Jones and the U.F.O wtf! This is has been lousy year is there a six-track Dolby mix that can at least have all the trimmings to top Iron Man please, £16.00 pounds down the drain.:(

In all fairness I give Iron Man 3 ½ stars ***½

Action sequence from the beginning of Iron Man showing directly what is happening on the channels I was quite surprised with the centre channel.