JLB 250ti's need new home

[JLCARR]

While cleaning out a recently deceased relatives business office. My eyes
came across these speakers of distinction. His business partner said he can't remember ever hearing them on. I Didn't know what they were at first, but wrote down the make, model and S/N's. Did a quick internet check, and ......THESE NEED TO GO TO A GOOD HOME. Not the toy boy garage band, down the street.
A quick run down of condition...cabinets, excellent teak wood, with grill covers. all speakers working excellent..( WOW!, it made my Jamos, quiver ) Yes I checked the surrounds and they do need replacement, slightly dried out. But they are totally intact currently. Serial Numbers are close #01840 & 01588. When the wife returns in a couple days I can post some pictures if there is interest. I'm in S.E. Michigan, not interested in the manual labor of crating them up for shipping, you may have another plan. I'll go 100 miles, or 1/2 way, which ever is less toward potential new home. If any interest out there let me know? $550.00

[brudha]

Consider them SOLD! You've got a deal and a Private Message!

[Inspector34]

WOW, how fast, if he doesn't want them, I'll take 'em :D.

[00Robin]

I Pm'd you about five times in 30 minutes,but you must not be around. I am in Michigan,in Grand Blanc by Goodrich. I can move these myself. What is your price? I have NO intention of EVER selling them. I only collect and keep the best that I find in all wooden cabinets. As I mentioned fully in the PM'd messages to you. Thank you. I believe the other people may be ahead though since I only PM'd you,unless my timing was better by PM time. Thank you.

[Duffinator]

Consider them SOLD! You've got a deal and a Private Message!Good luck!

[00Robin]

I must be SOOOOO dumb.:barf:

[SEAWOLF97]

What is happening to the valuation of L250's ????

first KJ didnt get his reserve (1750 ??)
then the black sprayed ones could only muster $1250
last week the LA pair went for $1025
and now these for $550 ??

[sourceoneaudio]

What is happening to the valuation of L250's ????

first KJ didnt get his reserve (1750 ??)
then the black sprayed ones could only muster $1250
last week the LA pair went for $1025
and now these for $550 ??


They are sitting at $785.00 now. :blink:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290155844992&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019

NO AFIL:

[Robh3606]

What is happening to the valuation of L250's ????

There have been quite a few pairs up lately so the market may be temporarilly saturated. I am sure things will change.

Rob:)

[garyl]

Mixxed feelings here! If real, this sure is nice to see a fellow offering them to one of us who MIGHT appreciate them.

Then again, if they end up in the hands of a flipster from here looking to cash in on anothers "Good Will" it will seriously deflate my respect.

I am more inclined to think this is a not so funny joke but not on me.

Gary

[opimax]

If real i would think he would have said something by now, appealing to good home, I am going w/fake,

Thanks for playing!

Mark

[Duffinator]

Then again, if they end up in the hands of a flipster from here looking to cash in on anothers "Good Will" it will seriously deflate my respect.Brudha is not a flipster and has been looking for a pair for a while.

[JBL 4645]

LOL I’d take good care of them I’d even polish them twice a day to keep them shinny.:D

[Audiobeer]

LOL I’d take good care of them I’d even polish them twice a day to keep them shinny.:D

Actualy I think he's looking for a cash deal. :o:

[garyl]

Brudha is not a flipster and has been looking for a pair for a while.

Yep but we know who the Flipsters are!

Thats not to say there is anything wrong with flipping stuff.

I just think it would be nice for stuff like this to find a real home at a very nice price rather then to end up as warehouse goods to bolster anothers bank account.
There are members here who would bend over backwards to help with getting them refoamed, recapped and cleaned up and many nice posts could be forthcomming but it kind of deflates the good will of many to spend the time and efforts only to see the finished product end up at the auction listed as the "Best Ever" and "Professionally Refurbished" with links to the threads and site.:p

Gary

[spwal]

times like this i wish storm was here for entertainment value, wait, i take tat back... :p

[opimax]

Careful what you wish for...something like "silence is golden"

Mark

[SEAWOLF97]

Consider them SOLD! You've got a deal and a Private Message!

was it SCam or for real ??

[hjames]

Sheesh - its not a scam - no money was lost, just a hoax for wanna-bes!

If its too good to be true, it no doubt is!

[SEAWOLF97]

They are sitting at $785.00 now. :blink:NO AFIL:

lets see....they went for $1475

I usually figure eBay/Paypal overhead at about 13 percent, = $192.
then the unsold first auction=$20 ?

so $1475-212=$1263 and I recall him saying he paid $2200....so it cost $937 for about 4 months of ownership ?

kind of an expensive learning cycle.:(

[hjames]

lets see....they went for $1475

I usually figure eBay/Paypal overhead at about 13 percent, = $192.
then the unsold first auction=$20 ?

so $1475-212=$1263 and I recall him saying he paid $2200....so it cost $997 for about 4 months of ownership ?

kind of an expensive learning cycle.:(
Yeah, but even tho he hated it when we told him so, they weren't original, they were painted wood cabinets. For a collector, their value was going to be under market price.

The first guy that painted them should have been keel hauled. (Not Source, but the first painter of the wood)


But Storm? His ears heard promises the market didn't keep.

[Duffinator]

Sheesh - its not a scam - no money was lost, just a hoax for wanna-bes!

If its too good to be true, it no doubt is!Or maybe not. :banghead:

[spwal]

I love how i sent him a bunch of best offers for around 1400 the first time and he wouldnt do it. lmao... karma is a serious thing, and a force tobe reckoned with. My all original 4341 are gonna hold their value, all original, un molested. my altec 19 also in minty condiiton, with the original crossover parts safely packed away while i enjoy the awesome modified crossovers.

btw, the 4341 are at my friends place on his badass audio research setup and they are excellent. Wha-pang! they can bring the slam and the whisper.

oh how oh how do i keep both!!??

[hjames]

I love how i sent him a bunch of best offers for around 1400 the first time and he wouldnt do it. lmao... karma is a serious thing, and a force tobe reckoned with. My all original 4341 are gonna hold their value, all original, un molested. my altec 19 also in minty condiiton, with the original crossover parts safely packed away while i enjoy the awesome modified crossovers.

btw, the 4341 are at my friends place on his badass audio research setup and they are excellent. Wha-pang! they can bring the slam and the whisper.

oh how oh how do i keep both!!??

Told ya you'd love 'em!

[kingjames]

What is happening to the valuation of L250's ????


first KJ didnt get his reserve (1750 ??)
then the black sprayed ones could only muster $1250
last week the LA pair went for $1025
and now these for $550 ??

I believe I could have gotten more If I had offered shipping,too big for me to ship safely. A forum member got them and I felt good with the buyer giving them a good home.;)

[hjames]

I believe I could have gotten more If I had offered shipping,too big for me to ship safely. A forum member got them and I felt good with the buyer giving them a good home.;)

Kingjames - I had no idea.
You sold your 250s?? :blink:

[JLCARR]

was it SCam or for real ??

I'm sure the new owner will step up shortly..and say for real!
they need some elbow grease, surrounds, feet and glue.
Due to the large amount of things i'm moving from this estate,
I can't spend time, shipping out for repairs or put in the elbow
time, to bolster the price. But I'm glad they did go to someone
who knew what they are and will enjoy.:D

[spwal]

I saw New Zenith's heavily modified 250ti and they were huge, impressive beasts. Whatever mods he made to them, he has documented somewhere. His efforts were meticulous, and they were one of the nicest pair of speakers I have heard.

Grats to the new owner, there is alot you can do with them, the first of which is enjoy them!

[NewZenith]

[quote=spwal;184526]I saw New Zenith's heavily modified 250ti and they were huge, impressive beasts. Whatever mods he made to them, he has documented somewhere. His efforts were meticulous, and they were one of the nicest pair of speakers I have heard.

Thank you for those very kind observations. My speakers, however, have changed since you heard them last. One of my favorite parts of the 4341's, believe it or not, was the 2405 tweeters. I always wondered what my composite system would sound like with the 077 on top. Because my modified T030 dome midranges can be crossed at 7K comfortably I was able to ad a pair of slots, replacing the 044Ti's. Very interesting and desirable results. Definitely a very capable tweeter!
Please pardon the off-topic response.
I love the 250 platform and it is still my favorite bass box.
Oh and by the way, don't underestimate those beautiful 4341 monitors.
With the right crossover and ditching the 2121 midbass for something better, I believe you will need a pair of sunglasses and a seat belt to listen to them, HOT HOT HOT!!!:dancin:
They will probably walk all over my composite L250 things. no bs!
Sincerely NZ.

[pos]

ditching the 2121 midbass for something better
Interesting!
What would you use? 2123, 2012? something else?

[sourceoneaudio]

lets see....they went for $1475

I usually figure eBay/Paypal overhead at about 13 percent, = $192.
then the unsold first auction=$20 ?

so $1475-212=$1263 and I recall him saying he paid $2200....so it cost $937 for about 4 months of ownership ?

kind of an expensive learning cycle.:(


The sale price to him was 2K. Must have been a mental miss calculation on his part.

I also believe the buyer is a fake, looks like it is one of his glass/art selling buddies. I figure he was seeing the loss and set up the buyer, he probably still ownes them.

Jeff
J/S-S1A

[brudha]

I'm sure the new owner will step up shortly..and say for real!
they need some elbow grease, surrounds, feet and glue.
Due to the large amount of things i'm moving from this estate,
I can't spend time, shipping out for repairs or put in the elbow
time, to bolster the price. But I'm glad they did go to someone
who knew what they are and will enjoy.:D

First of all, I want to extend a special thanks to JLCARR for allowing me the opportunity to enjoy another fine set of JBL masterful speakers! You were a pleasure to deal with and very accommodating!

I guess I just was in the right place at the right time last week! I'm in total love and awe with the unique look and sound of the 250TI's!!

I meandered thru four States to get them this weekend and drove more hours than I care to think about right now, but I was in the truck the majority of the 36 hours I was gone. Didn't get back home 'til late last night with them.

Already pulled the woofers this morning and brought them into the local authorized JBL shop to get a fresh refoam. The spiders were still good. They look like they've been reconed by a JBL kit at some point, possibly in '95.

I've really been on a JBL roll as of late...........

[Duffinator]

I've really been on a JBL roll as of late...........That's the understatement of the month! I'm glad you made it back safely and I look forward to hearing you in-depth comparison between the 250's and 300's!:applaud:

[brudha]

I just think it would be nice for stuff like this to find a real home at a very nice price rather then to end up as warehouse goods to bolster anothers bank account.
There are members here who would bend over backwards to help with getting them refoamed, recapped and cleaned up and many nice posts could be forthcomming but it kind of deflates the good will of many to spend the time and efforts only to see the finished product end up at the auction listed as the "Best Ever" and "Professionally Refurbished" with links to the threads and site.:p

Gary

I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate here as far as warehouse goods or with the MIGHT enjoy comment? There's no question these will be personally enjoyed for an indefinite period of time! That's not to say some of my other speakers aren't going to be displaced and might be looking for other uses/owners. That's the whole point of upgrading and testing along the way.

The woofers are in getting refoamed right now. I don't feel comfortable in my ability to start soldering in different caps and such. Now, having Giskard make up some Charge Coupled Networks would be a totally different story! They're sitting in the middle of my kitchen right now, ready to be cleaned up with Murphy Oil Soap, then nourished with a couple coats of Howard's Orange Oil, then fed a meal of Howard's Feed-N-Wax.

[brudha]

was it SCam or for real ??

I found out it was for real when I received the 'Golden' phone call early Saturday morning waking me up. I was on my 1200 mile R/T journey three hours later............:bouncy:

[brudha]

Sheesh - its not a scam - no money was lost, just a hoax for wanna-bes!

If its too good to be true, it no doubt is!
This is in fact true most all of the time. It's those very few OTHER times one holds out for in anticipation.........

[brudha]

I love how i sent him a bunch of best offers for around 1400 the first time and he wouldnt do it. lmao... karma is a serious thing, and a force tobe reckoned with.

I thought you offered Storm less than that amount and only if he paid the prohibitively expensive/liability costs to have them shipped to you?

[brudha]

The sale price to him was 2K. Must have been a mental miss calculation on his part.

I also believe the buyer is a fake, looks like it is one of his glass/art selling buddies. I figure he was seeing the loss and set up the buyer, he probably still ownes them.

Jeff
J/S-S1A

Does it look like they, in fact, really only sold for $1100 (http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&from=R10&_trksid=m37&satitle=250ti&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=55123&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&fis=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1)? The buyer back out and a Second Chance Offer Accepted? Were you bidding?

[SEAWOLF97]

The sale price to him was 2K. Jeff
J/S-S1A

Not to be funny, just FMI ...why didn't you bid on them ? At $1475 it would have been like a $525 short term rental.

I meandered thru four States to get them this weekend and drove more hours than I care to think about right now, but I was in the truck the majority of the 36 hours I was gone. Didn't get back home 'til late last night with them.

Fantastic...glad it wasnt a hoax.. I dont think there's a member here (including me) who would not drive 36 hours for that deal...looking foreward to review when they are up and going....:bouncy:

[Titanium Dome]

Yes, congratulations! It should be a real treat for you, especially considering your dedication in getting them.

This is a story with a happy ending. :yes:

[sourceoneaudio]

Not to be funny, just FMI ...why didn't you bid on them ? At $1475 it would have been like a $525 short term rental

I did bid on them, I did not see a lot of movement so I let my bid rest. I was the high bidder for quite a while. I was hoping to get them back cheap. He was e-mailing me to see when I was going to bid next or any more, I think he was setting up the shill. :blink: Looks to be lots of 3's and 0 feedback bidders on his auction???????????????? :blink:

J/S-S1A

[John]

I did bid on them, I was the high bidder for quite a while. I was hoping to get them back cheap.

J/S-S1A


Wow What a nice guy you are!!!:(

[John]

My all original 4341 are gonna hold their value, all original, un molested.

You hope???

I saw a pair this past spring sell in and around $1800 and they were near mint with white woofs to boot.:blah:

[kingjames]

Kingjames - I had no idea.
You sold your 250s?? :blink:

Yes Heather, I sold them to a Member here. It was either a divorce or new speakers.

In other thread's I have stated my reason's and you must have missed those thread's?

Truly the best sound I've heard from speakers thus far and they were hard to let go but now I have peace at home and everything is good.

I will be getting something in the future maybe in the 43XX series as they are not that tall and already have the wife's approval.

I will be waiting this time and get what I want at a price I can live with.

[hjames]

Ah - okay - we were so busy with Strom's shenanigans that I didn't notice you quietly mention you'd posted yours to ebay - http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=180852&postcount=36

Of course we razzed Storm because he made such a fuss over everything he bought, then wouldn't listen to anyone that tried to help (like with his humm problem). You were not that stubborn so we wouldn't have razzed you - but - the best price was probably offsite for "collector's pieces" like that ... I do so love the look and the wood of the 250s!

well, here's hoping she lets you keep the next set you like!
(Stay away from those 4345s tho!)

Yes Heather, I sold them to a Member here. It was either a divorce or new speakers.

In other thread's I have stated my reason's and you must have missed those thread's?

Truly the best sound I've heard from speakers thus far and they were hard to let go but now I have peace at home and everything is good.

I will be getting something in the future maybe in the 43XX series as they are not that tall and already have the wife's approval.

I will be waiting this time and get what I want at a price I can live with.

[opimax]

It is Sept , time for you to come visit mine...and help them sound even better with many wonderful suggestions...

It seems that the 250 is a well liked speaker but not good for investrment at this time. I bought a set of 120s for 600 and 2 weeks later they go for 200-400 after Tower sold their inventory. the market has a lot of 104s and 044s speakers than it used to, lowered the value of 250's???

BTW,compare the 120s to anything for 200-400 made now and listen to the diferrence. They are pretty damn good for that kind of money

Mark

[SEAWOLF97]

I will be getting something in the future maybe in the 43XX series as they are not that tall and already have the wife's approval.

I wanted a pair also (tho have never heard any) so took measurements to my listening room and concluded they just went going to look right/fit. And my current speakers (which I dearly love) are only 44 inches tall and blend in perfectly ( one demoee called them "manly" and I now agree ) :bouncy: , so for now have given up on L300/250's.

Ah - okay - we were so busy with Strom's shenanigans

who ?

[brudha]

I felt good with the buyer giving them a good home.;)
:bouncy:

[brudha]

What is happening to the valuation of L250's ????

first KJ didnt get his reserve (1750 ??)
then the black sprayed ones could only muster $1250
last week the LA pair went for $1025
and now these for $550 ??
I'm not going to comment much on KJ's since there's a conflict of interest, but suffice it to say, the eBay pics had a pronounced weight towards highlighting the slight cosmetic issues rather than positive traits. This, along with pickup-only usually means far few interested parties willing to take a chance.

The black ones' pictures initially were totally subpar with basically showing corners of the speakers or a pic from quite a distance. The whole ad language was slanted towards how deficient the cosmetics had been and they went thru several painting booths along the way. I suggested to him to at least take pics of the drivers and all angles of the cabinets. He then added those during the auction, and they actually garnered a little more steam in the bidding process.

Also, those two auctions were initially running CONCURRENTLY which usually works against each other.........

The LA pair, I believe, were just L250, not 250TI. Big difference! Also, they were pickup ONLY also, again.

My recent pair's story has an obvious explanation.........

[brudha]

It seems that the 250 is a well liked speaker but not good for investment at this time.
Mark
What is this based on?

Is it best to buy stocks during market lulls or during market highs?

One must also use proper comparisons to properly draw conclusions or determine a possible change in trends. The examples previously described, I believe, are not representative enough to conclusively answer that question. Also, certain buying decisions (and the people willing to extend their dollars) are sometimes more seasonal in nature relating to prices and their fluctuations.........

[opimax]

It applies to me :( and ever since owning never seeing the price come up to what I paid, what other members were saying about not letting go of theirs for under 3G's at the time. That is not something I don't worry about though as I bought them to listen to not resale :)

I have replaced all the drivers w/new except the tweeters but they were rebuilt and coated, purchased charge coupled XO. I have over 4 g's invested but don't think I would get 2500 maybe not even 2000 of it back right now

I totally agree buy when down but you just don't know what happens next.

Part of my analogy was the 120 dropping in price and 2 of the 4 drivers of the 250ti have suddenly become plentiful after Tower's demise.

I am torn on this anyway as I might buy a 2nd pair if cheap enough and here in the east or central area.


I am not sure did you buy a pair? :applaud:

Mark

[sourceoneaudio]

As I suspected, the e-bay sale was a sham.......... SHILLER

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/ele/406225460.html

[SEAWOLF97]

As I suspected, the e-bay sale was a sham.......... SHILLER



These speakers are very rare. You probably will not see another pair in Arizona for a long, long time!

I will also trade for a vintage or new Herman Miller Lounge Chair with Ottoman -OR - JBL L65 Jubal speakers.

:barf:


what happened to the L5s ?? or was that just BS too ??

[sourceoneaudio]

This is funny as shit. Now another forum for him to get kicked out of.

I wonder how long it will take? :blink:


http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126368


:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[SEAWOLF97]

This is funny as shit. Now another forum for him to get kicked out of.

I wonder how long it will take? :blink:


http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126368


:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


this new forum will be at least #3..
the answers to his question are great, looks like they wont coddle him.


offered him a pair of Valencias (birch) for the 250ti's, but he doesnt like those..

[spwal]

I like how bruda and heather posted up.

:)

[hjames]

I like how bruda and heather posted up.

:)

Well, its true - I got a copy of the 250 manual right here - says it doesn't matter which edge is outside ...

Besides - I got so tired of going over the same dead ground -
"How do I fix hum in the stereo (from the TV) sheesh!"
What an attention junkie ...

[opimax]

being a proud owner of 250tis I felt compelled to answer
:banghead::banghead:

Mark

[subwoof]

In all of this did anyone notice the "other items" link at the bottom of the ebay description??

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZocupattoQQhtZ-1

Gee....it links to a non-existent ( read: canned ) seller...

Therefore it MUST of been a "pasted" description and nobody saw it??

That is the easiest way to detect a fraudulent auction...:)

sub

[hjames]

Yeah, but Strum has used that Occupatto ID before -
is on his "Other Items search" -(maybe a previous ID he blew off in the past)

http://myworld.ebay.com/futuristic_intentions/

None-the-less, too much energy spent on an ex-member!



In all of this did anyone notice the "other items" link at the bottom of the ebay description??

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZocupattoQQhtZ-1

Gee....it links to a non-existent ( read: canned ) seller...

Therefore it MUST of been a "pasted" description and nobody saw it??

That is the easiest way to detect a fraudulent auction...:)

sub

[opimax]

Of all people to get hacked, more drama for him, lol

[Zilch]

He apparently changed his eBay ID recently.

Searching members under "Ocupatto" returns "Futuristic...."

I found that out while tracing the shill.

[Jakob]

[quote=JLCARR; "Serial Numbers are close #01840 & 01588."

Does he mean some of the drivers or the cabinets? I thought all 250 cabinets had following numbers, at least mine are (6369 & 6370).

[brudha]

They are sitting at $785.00 now. :blink:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290155844992&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019

NO AFIL:

Black painted 250TI's that were supposedly sold on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290165110466&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:US:122)

On Audiogon (http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1196100522)

[00Robin]

I like the wooden ones on the floor...anyone know what they are? I love them.

Oh Yeah...Herman Miller chairs and Ottomans and furniture galleries are all over here AND they have a display of his works at the art museum in Detroit for quite some time. The old really weathered and broken in ones are the best,SO many colours too. The dusky olive is nice,but I'm a black lover for leather. I HATE the fake crappy ones....ugh-ola! I told some furnture fool at some store his were not even CLOSE to the real ones, I was having a snotty moment and he knew NOTHING of the Hermann Miller Eames.....he HONESTLY thought what they had were "cutting edge". What is with that????

[NewZenith]

I always wondered what my composite system would sound like with the 077 on top. Because my modified T030 dome midranges can be crossed at 7K comfortably I was able to ad a pair of slots, replacing the 044Ti's. Very interesting and desirable results. Definitely a very capable tweeter!
Sincerely NZ.[/quote]

Okay, I was full of you know what about the moddid T030's being capable of 7K!
Let me strike that from the record. Although they do play up there they dive in response after 4800 or so, then they make a miraculous and enthusiastic comeback.
I still think the 077 is fantastic, however it must be teamed up with a capable HF driver.
Still learning, will try to keep my enthusiasm empirical!
NZ.