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tweeter
08-09-2007, 03:58 AM
Hi,
I own a beautiful Pathos TT hybrid amplifier.
Due it has only 35 watts per channel, what JBL monitors or vintage speakers I would have to look for?

B.R.

sa660
08-09-2007, 05:46 AM
You need efficiency and power to keep control of the large JBL 15" etc...
I will try to get a cabinet with smaller drivers to start and see how your amp keep control on large driver.
The speakers size matters but you low power may not be enough for large drivers.
Try to get the most efficient cabinet that you place in your home. This may reduce the frequencies ranges but the sound should be good and punchy.

Ricklam
08-09-2007, 06:15 AM
I guess L100, 4312, 4311 can fit. I was using Revox A720 preamp and A722 power amp which only 40W/ch on my 4311B. Of cause the sound is not very powerful but it is very enjoyable in terms of musical. I also got a pair of 4301B. It is a 8" woofer but it is not easy to drive than 4311b!!

tweeter
08-09-2007, 06:34 AM
Hi Ricklam,
I also own a pair of 4301B and Spendor SP1/2R.
The Spendors sounds beautiful but too soft. The 4301B sounds different, more punch and life. So Im looking for a more powerful JBLs. Im considering a pair of L112 but, I think they need a lot of watts.
What are the differences between 4301 and 4311 sound?
Should be 4312 better than 4311?

Regards.

Ricklam
08-09-2007, 07:23 AM
The woofer of 4301B needs more power to get control than 4311B's 12" woofer. They sound very close but 4311 with more detail in mid range.
The original 4312 and 4311 should be the same but only different in layout.

Zilch
08-09-2007, 01:09 PM
4311 is the pro version of L100, both with boomy bass, forward midrange, and rolled-off highs.

That's not what 4301 is.

Use "Search" to get some facts if what you want is high fidelity....

Ian Mackenzie
08-09-2007, 01:18 PM
Something really simple like a 4425 or 4430 would work okay.

The 4313 would be another one.

tweeter
08-10-2007, 03:19 AM
For High Fidelity Ive got the Spendors yet.
Im looking for speakers that make me feel alive.
Amplifiers manufacturer recommends high efficiency speakers over 88dB. I guess 4313 are 89dB, and 44xx are difficult to drive due size woofers.
What is the sound difference between 4311/12 and 4301?
B.R.

Robh3606
08-10-2007, 09:55 AM
What is the sound difference between 4311/12 and 4301?
B.R.

If you want a JBL that is a still a Control Monitor and has a tailored response like a 4311 but with a more extended high frequency response and a smoother midrange look into the 4312A that incorporates the 035ti tweeter and 104h midrange.

Rob:)

Mr. Widget
08-10-2007, 10:16 AM
For High Fidelity Ive got the Spendors yet.
Im looking for speakers that make me feel alive.Sounds like you have a handle on the situation...

I agree with Rob's 4312A suggestion as well as L110s or 4313Bs and the Ti Series.


Widget

merlin
08-10-2007, 05:19 PM
Best JBLs for my amp?

Do forgive me but that's the wrong question in my experience.

I would ask what is the best amp for my JBL's.

And of course, what's the best JBL's for my room.

Zilch
08-10-2007, 07:12 PM
I also got a pair of 4301B. It is a 8" woofer but it is not easy to drive than 4311b!!


I guess 4313 are 89dB, and 44xx are difficult to drive due size woofers.I am not getting this at all. :banghead:

http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/specs/pro-speakers/1986-4400.htm

http://www.jblpro.com/pages/recording/4400.htm


Hi,
I own a beautiful Pathos TT hybrid amplifier.


For High Fidelity Ive got the Spendors yet.
Im looking for speakers that make me feel alive.

Which somehow equates to L100/4311? :dont-know

Robh3606
08-10-2007, 07:37 PM
Which somehow equates to L100/4311? :dont-know

Well the L100/4311 probably introduced more people to JBL than any other speaker they ever made. They are still doing that today and are still the most recognized JBL out there. A lot of people like them warts and all. I agree with you in that it wouldn't be my first choice but then it's not my choice.

Rob:)

fast_mick
08-10-2007, 09:53 PM
Hi Tweeter,

I have an old luxman amp SQ-38FD it has 30W I tried 4425's, but I love the performance Series ie PS1400+PT800 you dont need a lot of amps because the PS1400 is active and the inbuilt crossover to the PT800 is 130hz.

Your amp therefore is only powering the PT800.

regards
Michael

majick47
08-11-2007, 10:20 AM
If I'v read your posts correctly you already have a pair of JBL 4301b. I have a pair of 4301b in my second system in a small room, they are wall mounted on heavy duty JBL pro mounts. To say the least I'm very happy with their performance. Like many JBLs they thrive on lots of clean power, I'm powering mine with a Yamaha MX-2000 amp (140x2 watts). I'd go for another amp with more power, you already have some terrific JBL speakers that will be fine in medium to smaller sized rooms and they can come very close in performance to JBLs with 10" and 12" woofers.

tweeter
08-13-2007, 01:28 AM
Im agree that 4301b are killers but, Im looking for more efficient speakers.

Rolf
08-13-2007, 02:33 AM
For many years ago I used a DB-Systems power amp witch had 2x40W (8ohm) with my Paragon, and this is a high efficient speaker. At that time I thought it sounded good, but after I started to use larger amps I found out what it could really do.

I have tried some low powered amps on my systems over the years with little success. No matter what speaker system, they need more to do their best.

I recommend a new power to your existing speakers, rather than looking for more efficient speakers.

majick47
08-13-2007, 09:32 AM
The first version, the 4301, would be more efficent than the 4301b, but would probably require more wattage than your present amp to reach their full potential. I'm hard pressed to think of any super efficent book shelf sized JBL speakers that would match that amp. You might want to read the extensive thread re powering Storms 250ti and consider what a number of senior LH members had to say re an appropriate amp/power for the 250ti and other JBL speakers.

Zilch
08-13-2007, 12:59 PM
The sound reinforcement offerings are as much as 10 dB more efficient than the monitors.

From the early Cabaret to current AE Series, there's likely something that will satisfy.

I'd go for mid/high boxes and supplement with subs on a separate amp, as none will provide particularly extended bass....

Inspector34
08-16-2007, 08:37 PM
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Im looking for speakers that make me feel alive.


Can't go wrong with L100's they are VERY lively..

What size speakers are you wanting to use?? If you can go bigger, the L300 is a MUCH better choice..

On a budjet the L36's will do quite nicely... Good luck..

tweeter
08-17-2007, 07:46 AM
Ive founded a pair of 4425 in near mint condition.
What would be the appropiate price for those monitors?
Are these speakers easy to drive and how is its sound?

Inspector34
08-17-2007, 10:38 PM
The 4425 are good as a mid field monitor, not too efficient, but okay for that amp in a small room.. for their size they are quite good. What will you be using the speakers for?? Where will you be placing them?? What is the room size?? These factors will make more of a differences than the speakers themselves. There is no "holy grail" of speakers, just a speaker that works well for your application and budget..

Not sure of the prices in your area.. maybe someone oversaes can help ya better than I could..

Steve K
08-18-2007, 01:35 AM
First, this is just from my personal experience on how these sounded to my ears. If sharp, crisp, and 'cool' sound is what you like, the 4312A and 4425 are unbeatlable. For a more neutral and a bit warmer sound, I would recommend the 4313, the 'newer' 120Ti, or the Vecchio A622 or A822 (the last two I believe were only available outside of the US).
Also, check out http://www.audio-heritage.jp/JBL/index.html where almost all the JBL speakers ever sold are cataloged.

Steve K

majick47
08-18-2007, 09:43 AM
I'm sure it can be done with a lot of effort/luck but I think you are working in reverse order here. From my experience the speakers are first in line in creating a audio system that will fit/work in your enviroment/listening room. After you have selected the speakers that best fit your taste/room size/budget you attempt to choose an amp that will sufficently power the speakers. You might be lucky and already own an amp that matches the speakers but for many people that is rarely the case. Not to say that your amp isn't a good one but it will possibly be very limiting in your choice of JBL speakers.

Inspector34
08-18-2007, 10:37 AM
I'm sure it can be done with a lot of effort/luck but I think you are working in reverse order here. From my experience the speakers are first in line in creating a audio system that will fit/work in your enviroment/listening room. After you have selected the speakers that best fit your taste/room size/budget you attempt to choose an amp that will sufficently power the speakers. You might be lucky and already own an amp that matches the speakers but for many people that is rarely the case. Not to say that your amp isn't a good one but it will possibly be very limiting in your choice of JBL speakers.

I second that :D

tweeter
08-18-2007, 04:13 PM
I agree, in fact my equipment was born starting with a wrong speakers.
For those, I bought an amplifier that I dont want to change.
After restoration of 4301Bs, I realized that I love that sound, but I want more. For this reason, Im searching for anothers JBL with more efficiency.

virmagicus
09-02-2007, 12:16 AM
I agree, in fact my equipment was born starting with a wrong speakers.
For those, I bought an amplifier that I dont want to change.
After restoration of 4301Bs, I realized that I love that sound, but I want more. For this reason, Im searching for anothers JBL with more efficiency.


With that amp I would not go with anything other than the JBL CF series . I would highly recommend a higher wpc amp.