Speaker Safari

[SEAWOLF97]

needed more projects ..still have my head above water , so went on a speakers safari today....loaded the Toyo up to the gills with :

KEF Q-10's ...nice little English 6 inch coaxials

Lancer by Soundcraftsman pair ...dont know what is in them, but sound pretty good, just need wood cosmetics

Yamaha NS-690II's ....cast basket 12 inch 3 ways..was reading that these are essentially NS-1000's w/o the be tweeter. Need foam. looks like I'll have to trim the outer edge on the 12in foam to fit...sound good on their backs, firing up. Beautiful veneer.

Anyway...got away with $20 for the whole gaggle....more projects , need more projects.

Oh yeah..a single Pinnacle to match an orphan Pinnacle I already had...add $2

was picking up an setting Yams and seemed quite heavy...LF and MF's are both cast....speaker weight is 58 pounds

[SEAWOLF97]

Here is what the LF looks like on the Yamaha ..mid is cast also

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-NS-690II-12-cast-aluminum-Woofer-JA-3060-8-ohm_W0QQitemZ280125804455QQcmdZViewItem

[Ian Mackenzie]

Very transparent surrounds.

Gordon W might be able to help out.

Ian

[SEAWOLF97]

I finished up the Yammy's and connected source.....My golly , they sound nice...kinda like an L100plus. Very , very foreward , must be from the west coast of Japan :).

Everything construction-wise was first rate ( I hate working on cheap-a$$ Infinities- where nothing works right) ..These are easily the best Japanese speakers I've ever heard, wish I had them when living with Pioneer CS77a's for 20 years)

I looked them up on the web, and they are essentially the famous NS-1000 without the beryillium hf and mf...I cant really see why those wud be needed as the NS-690II does very well with paper ones.

The output sound is rated at 90db/1m at 1 watt input, and the frequency response is rated at 35 ~ 20,000 Hz.

If looking for something to compare to...kinda like the 4412's ...but MUCH more foreward ...not a studio monitor :D

[SEAWOLF97]

On the weekly safari yesterday,,,among other things, i picked up this Pioneer TT. Its in great condition with a decent ADC cart and good stylus.
If you look down at the lower base right , there is a remote sensor. Looked it up and this was a remote controlled TT.
So a tt collector friend of mine was present when I grabbed it and immediately started bargaining. I reluctantly agreed to trade it for a pair of L26's. They do need surrounds, but not a bad day

[SEAWOLF97]

I reluctantly agreed to trade it for a pair of L26's. They do need surrounds, but not a bad day

picked them up today...a project for sure...simple refoam job , fab some grills and work on veneer, but well worth my modest investment. :D

my other L26s have nasty spring loaded binding posts and these have JBL twist posts....later edition ?

[macaroonie]

Where on earth do you find all this stuff ?

[SEAWOLF97]

Where on earth do you find all this stuff ?

thrift stores, garage sales , CL.trading with friends like everybody else, (yesterday I missed a single Conus speaker - made in Oregon, never seen anything like it - huge walnut tower with a curved slot port ($5) and a beautiful condition Marantz 2252 (also $5) - dont know yet if it worked.....my monster miss was last month three (3) Pioneer sx-1250's were in the thrifts at $5 ea. within 2 weeks.

finished up the refoam on the L26's ,upgraded the binding posts, painted the baffles , found compatible grills ( AR48b 10 in 3 way fit perfect) , working on veneer. Hooked them up and ran all afternoon , sounds great !! :bouncy:

They did have a funny rattle in them when aquired. When I pulled the woofers for refoaming, I found orange peel. Must have been in there for years, hard like a rock. Gotta love kids and open ports.

[00Robin]

oh yeah,the thrifts past the Mississippi,like the Hellman's Best Foods line are the thrifts to go.

[SEAWOLF97]

my other L26s have nasty spring loaded binding posts and these have JBL twist posts....later edition ?

when painting the baffles, I removed the tweeter. it was a LE25-4.....I found a post in the archives from Lancer with a chart that said L26A uses a 125a and LE25-4. so although it does not say L26A on the foilcal, I think that they are.......maybe that explains the twist posts ( that have now been replaced with gold 5 ways)

[mcds]

I looked them up on the web, and they are essentially the famous NS-1000 without the beryillium hf and mf...I cant really see why those wud be needed as the NS-690II does very well with paper ones.

The output sound is rated at 90db/1m at 1 watt input, and the frequency response is rated at 35 ~ 20,000 Hz.

If looking for something to compare to...kinda like the 4412's ...but MUCH more foreward ...not a studio monitor :D

These want to be positioned fairly close to a rear wall in a not too large room. The bass should fill out nicely under those conditions.

[SEAWOLF97]

too funny........

last week on Safari, the salvage place brought out a crummy Sony dd turntable..thrashed. dustcover shattered, platter missing , bent knobs , arm hanging loose, etd..etc..nobody wouldl buy this mess , but it had the head shell still on , so I bought the whole thing for $1. Standard shell, cart tested OK ( just a middling Shure) so I put it on the bay, hoping to get $10..................finished today.

2 guys started fighting over it..why ? darned if I know....

http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280149055989

[Pointsource]

Check this out !!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Yamaha-NS-690II-Natural-Sound-3-Way-Speakers-NR_W0QQitemZ290158657445QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14993QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[SEAWOLF97]

Check this out !!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Yamaha-NS-690II-Natural-Sound-3-Way-Speakers-NR_W0QQitemZ290158657445QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14993QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Those turned out to be a bargain for someone , I almost bid, but just don't need more

I acquired my Yams w/o grills. Started looking around my grill stash and found a pair of EPI's that were about 2 in. too tall and wide. So found my little miter saw and removed 8 2in sections of the HDF (it really is High density)...they fit prefectly except for mounting...used round pegs from defunct Advents...the then the Yam grommets were too small, so replaced them with rubber Boston ones...They now fit so tight that a Force 5 hurricane s/b no problem. cutouts to clear HF and LF were needed.
Finally set them up on stands and draped black cloth over 1 and the EPI brown on the other...took comments for 3 days and the brown was the unanimous favorite (tho orig Yam color was black)

Anyway , now happy with their looks and sounds

[SEAWOLF97]

I drug home a pair of DAS DS-12 speakers today ...work great and have commercial mounts on them. Anybody know anything about them ???? Made in Valencia, Spain. They should clean up very nice.

[johnaec]

What's that that looks so goofy in those horn throats? Bad pics?

John

[SEAWOLF97]

What's that that looks so goofy in those horn throats? Bad pics?

John

Opened them up...it was mud wasp material.

finally found a link not in Eurupese, http://www.proaudiosuperstore.com/DAS-DS12.html


http://www.proaudiosuperstore.com/media/das-ds12g_sm.jpg
(http://www.proaudiosuperstore.com/media/das-ds12g.jpg)List Price: $578.00
Sale Price: $450.00

DAS DS-12


The DS-12 incorporates a 12" low frequency transducer with a 3" voice coil. The DS-12 shares the same M-3 high frequency compression driver as the DS-8 but with its own proprietary crossover network and CD horn.
SPECIFICATIONS

Frequency Range (-10 dB) 50 Hz-20 kHz
Program Power Capacity 600 W
On-Axis Sensitivity 1 W/1 m 98 dB SPL
Dispersion 105ºH x 75ºV
Impedance 8 Ω
Dimensions (H x W x D) 58 x 40 x 31 cm
23 x 16 x 12 in
Weight 17.8 kg (39 lb)

[SEAWOLF97]

AFTER the mud wasp cleanup and the grill brush down and repaint they came out presentable.
This is my first experience with horns. They do put out the hf, but sound a bit shrill to me. Good speakers all around, but I powered the Walsh's back up and there was an incredible difference...nope, these arent my new mains...trading material , I guess.

I listen from the dining room often, and getting off to the side of these, all hf is lost, where the listening position is much less important with the Walsh's.

[Krunchy]

Thats some good hunting there Seawolf, must be lots of fun!
$5.00 for SX1250's thats insane! Good for you, keep us posted.
Not too many thrift stored here in my neck of the woods, too bad, I do enjoy a good rummage.
Take it easy.

[Steve Schell]

Thanks for the interesting story, SEAWOLF97. Just try not to form an opinion about the sound of horns based on these shrill PA speakers. Hi Fi horn systems are a whole different animal.

[louped garouv]

trade the DAS to a DJ type, they will be very good as DJ monitors in a typical lousy acoustic environment....

[SEAWOLF97]

hauled home this pair today (dont ask - its a sickness) . they are unmarked, but look BOSEish. Does anyone know the make and model ??

they have 2 8 in LFs and 4 hfs..included the grills, but need new cloth, the current ones are 70's course brown cloth. Sound OK.

also picked up a pair of "Monitor Audio" bookshelfs a while back - with no model # - can anyone ID, if I post pics ?

LATER: forum member Magnepan dropped by today and IDed these as BOSE 601's. We had some fun with the big Walsh's and managed to blow a fuse .

[diamondsouled]

Magnepan dropped by today and IDed these as BOSE 601's. We had some fun with the big Walsh's and managed to blow a fuse .[/quote]

I had a pair of the 601s many moons ago. They are actually not bad sounding speakers but are very part particular about where they are placed. A foot or so from corners is good.

Lar

[SEAWOLF97]

snagged a pretty pair of Altec 887A "Capri's" today..they sound fantastic and just need minimal veneer cleanup. Also 50 ft of 16ga brand new Carroll wire for a buck. And a pair of Elac 8 in coaxials (peach colored baskets - looked like factory paint job) work fine.

[macaroonie]

The ocean is fertile in your neck of the woods for sure and it is recycling to boot. Dont suppose you have a pair of 125a woofs in your stash - help out ole Wandler in Austria. I'm going to send him my le024 tweets gratis. I have no use for them.
Mac:D

[SEAWOLF97]

The funny little -8- Elacs ..sound OK

[SEAWOLF97]

these drove up to my door today. (there are grills)
yes. the famous Radiance ..with SS baffles.

[louped garouv]

nice scores!
:)

[SEAWOLF97]

nice scores!
:)

any idea on how to get the Mantarays out ?? I've tried prying , but dont want to break the plasic bezels.

[BMWCCA]

No visible hardware if you take the "woofer" out and stick your hand inside? Just guessing! Never liked plastic GM cars anyway. ;)

[johnaec]

Seawolf - have you seen these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170167614785&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007

John

[SEAWOLF97]

Seawolf - have you seen these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170167614785&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007

John

yes , I did, but thanx for the link. Wish I had thee discretionary cash right now. ( but also the original F's are still doing great)

F2 specs :
response: 32- 20,000 HZ

last Saturday I picked up a Technics SL-D2 DD table w/o head or cart. So I found a generic head and middle of the road Shure cart and aligned it by sight and hooked up. Wow !! the fullness blew me away. Dug out the old records and found a JBL Sessions double that I'd gotten from the dealer. It was so good that I listened to all four sides twice and dubbed it off to mini disk.

Since it did speaker testing ( various instruments and freq sweeps) , I turned off the sub and 4410's in the rears so as just to hear the Walsh's. There just are not enough superlatives to describe the sound. Fantastic !!

Forum member Magnepan has been over a couple times in the last 2 weeks listening to them, maybe I can coax a review out of him..

[louped garouv]

any idea on how to get the Mantarays out ?? I've tried prying , but dont want to break the plasic bezels.

maybe a low setting on a heat gun with a putty knife around the edges? seems like the baffles are already going to need some work, right?

[SEAWOLF97]

snagged a pretty pair of Altec 887A "Capri's" today..

Hooked up my TT yesterday , WOW records have such a full sound..anyway, I went looking for more disks to play and turned up my Altec Lansing demo disk from 1973. opened it up and there was an ad for my 887a's



maybe a low setting on a heat gun with a putty knife around the edges? seems like the baffles are already going to need some work, right?


No visible hardware if you take the "woofer" out and stick your hand inside? Just guessing! Never liked plastic GM cars anyway. ;)

I got my hand in thru the LF opening, the frame of the mantaray is held in with 4 nylon friction screws...couldnt budge it up from behind..the top side was put down with these fasteners and then covered with a thin plastic trim plate...I lifted one corner and saw the top of the fastener, but then there is no way to pry it up and anyway you've screwed up the trim.

May just leave it in and clean the baffle around it.

[SEAWOLF97]

picked up this beautifull pair of SONANCE speakers today. Wish they said JBL on them as they sound so outstanding...web shows retail of $400-500.

its essentially the same speaker as this..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sonance-Cinema-91627-0-5-LCR-THX-Select-6-1-2-speaker_W0QQitemZ320182378804QQihZ011QQcategoryZ14 994QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[SEAWOLF97]

filled the truck today - M&K sats . MicroAcoustics, AR38's, Pioneer HPM's and JBL L-36's (but only 1 grill)

[SEAWOLF97]

and

[macaroonie]

I am constantly amazed at the bounty you acquire. You must be Rick Cobb's best customer though.

[SEAWOLF97]

I am constantly amazed at the bounty you acquire. You must be Rick Cobb's best customer though.

good guess, but wrong...I was in Asia a month ago and visited the foam factory ...this is what I stuffed in my suitcases....you would fall over if you knew what I paid for the foams OR the speakers.
( I traded for the L36's - 2 turntables that combined were $8....almost makes up for the real money that I've spent for audio gear in the past))

[BMWCCA]

You are truly certifiable! :applaud:
. . . . the kind of example I point out to my wife whenever she thinks my hobbies have pushed me over the edge. :thmbsup: That's why one of my best friends is a young guy with 42 motorcycles. :coolness:

[Fred Sanford]

filled the truck today - M&K sats . MicroAcoustics, AR38's, Pioneer HPM's and JBL L-36's (but only 1 grill)

Take dimensions of the one grille- I still have these mystery grilles here, might be useful to you:

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15136

je

[SEAWOLF97]

You are truly certifiable! :applaud:


from a guy who has 25?? BMW's , I'll take that as a compliment


Take dimensions of the one grille- I still have these mystery grilles here, might be useful to you:

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15136

je

I have spare L-26 grills and always thot them the came cab as the L-36,,but I tried them, the L-36 is about 3/4 inch wider. The L36 grill also has a verticle metal bar in the middle from top to bottom - forming a slight "V".

The L-36 grill is exactly 13.5x24

[SEAWOLF97]

You are truly certifiable! :applaud:
. . . . the kind of example I point out to my wife whenever she thinks my hobbies have pushed me over the edge.

Here's more to add to my certificate, Phil............:applaud:

( had to even it out since I got rid of a pair of L-26's last night)

[Fangio]

Congrats Seawolf.

Do you still have your 4412s? Once you've refoamed the Horizons I'd be interested in your A/B impressions, if you'd be inclined to do such a comparison.

[SEAWOLF97]

Congrats Seawolf.

Do you still have your 4412s? Once you've refoamed the Horizons I'd be interested in your A/B impressions, if you'd be inclined to do such a comparison.

Fangio-

I sold the 4412's about 2 weeks ago, still remember the sound pretty well. When L166's are done I'll do a "virtual A/B" and report.

The reason that I kept the 4410's and sold the 4412's was the bass. On the 12 it felt a bit "flabby" , not as tight and controlled as the 4410.

[SEAWOLF97]

Congrats Seawolf.

Do you still have your 4412s? Once you've refoamed the Horizons I'd be interested in your A/B impressions, if you'd be inclined to do such a comparison.

Went on safari today and brought nothing home ( to PhilCCA's joy) - did pay for a large pair of CV's that wudnt fit in the car, so gotta pick them up with the truck Saturday.

Fangio-

As you know the L166 & 4412 are very similar. 3 ways- same layout.

my impressions: 066 hf has a bit wider dispersion and sounds just as good as the 035tia....mids are about the same.

I think the L166's 122a-1 sounds better to me, a little tighter, and maybe goes a little lower. The 4412 seems to image a little better.

The cabinets are a tossup. The twist locks on the L166's stink, will be replaced today.

Grills are a subjective thing. I like the retro 3D grills of the Horizons.

IF they were the same price, and you asked me 100 times....I would go with the L166 51 times and the 4412 48 times and 1 = I dunno.

Funny thing is.....I sold the 4412's for EXACTLY 100 times (100X) the amount that I paid for the L166's. :D

[SEAWOLF97]

Hauled home the big CV's today...suckas are at least 90 lbs. The 15 is a cast basket. Model is D-9.
Dont know whether to part them out or attempt a rebuild - dont think they are worth much, even if perfect condition. :o:

[SEAWOLF97]

those silly CV's disappeared within 2 hours of the CL ad...never did put signal to them.

[macaroonie]

Nothin in two weeks dumpster raider -- wassup ,its not like you ---- we must know !!!!

[SEAWOLF97]

Thanks for your concern, Storm...In America, at Christmas time we become more involved with family ties than menial pursuits such as purchasing more speakers (unless a great deal comes along...:D )

[hjames]

Thanks for your concern, Storm...In America, at Christmas time we become more involved with family ties than menial pursuits such as purchasing more speakers (unless a great deal comes along...:D )

So, you haven't seen any killer deals lately, hummm?

[SEAWOLF97]

to make you happy mickeyrooney, I put out $5 for this pair of Pioneer CS711A's yesterday. Oddly enuff, they dont sound too bad.

[SEAWOLF97]

The Safari continues ......M&K

[macaroonie]

If memory serves me that M+K might well be a keeper , they made some tasty kit in the day. Note the L300 styling . Wolfy you are getting better and better.:applaud:

[Fred Sanford]

The Safari continues ......M&K , JBL L25-Prima

That M&K looks like my M&K V3B- I like mine a lot, it lives happily with my L110s.

je

[SEAWOLF97]

If memory serves me that M+K might well be a keeper , they made some tasty kit in the day. Note the L300 styling . Wolfy you are getting better and better.:applaud:

I thought the sub was an L300 when it was being wheeled out on the cart.

The M&K is cleaning up nicely and the 12incher is already out for refoaming. I put power to it briefly and it was fine. Grill is even OK.

[SEAWOLF97]

That M&K looks like my M&K V3B- I like mine a lot, it lives happily with my L110s.

je

Fred- you mite be the person to answer my questions.......On the rear there is a 3 position switch...1=flat/anechoic 2=room "A" 3=room "B".

on the rear there is a graph showing FLAT as flat from 20-100hz , but there is no explanation of rooms A and B.

do you know ?

(the veneer is getting nicer and nicer with each application of oil ..it was thirsty) :D

[Fred Sanford]

Apparently, then, yours ISN'T a V3B, mine doesn't have those markings. I'll poke around, but knowing your exact model # and age would help.

je

Edit: interesting news:

http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1015/mk-sound-reborn

[SEAWOLF97]

Apparently, then, yours ISN'T a V3B, mine doesn't have those markings. I'll poke around, but knowing your exact model # and age would help.

je

Edit: interesting news:

http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1015/mk-sound-reborn

I'm guessing "V1"

keeping my "eyes out" for some of these....

The World's 15 Sexiest Speakers Put Your Girlfriend to Shame (http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/711/the-worlds-15-sexiest-speakers-put-your-girlfriend-to-shame)

[hjames]

The Safari continues ......M&K

Fine looking box, m'friend!
You are having a great year so far, eh?

[SEAWOLF97]

Fine looking box, m'friend!


that box is starting to glow , it was so dull 24 hours ago and been drinking oil ever since.

I always thot M&K was English....but sub is US and my just sold SAT5's were Ch1na made.

[Krunchy]

Looking good Wolf! Nice 3 leaf book match, there's even a little fiddleback on the upper left match.
What are the little white "dots" ?

[SEAWOLF97]

Looking good Wolf! Nice 3 leaf book match, there's even a little fiddleback on the upper left match.
What are the little white "dots" ?

paint speckles that I've missed when scotchbrighting the surface. Dont people move speakers when they paint ??

[SEAWOLF97]

Looking good Wolf! Nice 3 leaf book match, there's even a little fiddleback on the upper left match.
What are the little white "dots" ?

took my thumbnail and knocked the spots off, cudnt see them with my naked old eyes until you pointed them out.

SO...I finished up the refoam and reinstalled today...the dustcap reads "DISCOVER DEEP BASS" ....So I put on the CD of the soundtrack to "Mullholland Drive" ,,kinda spooky with lots of rumblings....

SO now I cant latch the grandfather clock door anymore, it doesn't latch real tight and now vibrates against the body...:bouncy:

There are quiet passages in the CD that I thot were just blank "space fillers',,,nope they are rumblings.

Also thot all 12 in. sub's are about equal. Have been using a mass market 12 in. Infinity sub...BIG DIFFERENCE !!!

Went off to the bathroom (other end of the house) and the junk in there was rattling...

I guess I did OK for a $10 investment + refoam time and materials. ?

[Fred Sanford]

I guess I did OK for a $10 investment + refoam time and materials. ?

Yup. Closest I could find was that the "flat" setting extends response down below 20Hz, and the "Room A" & "Room B" settings are likely based on where you locate the sub, whether against two boundaries (floor & wall) or three (floor and two corner walls).

je

[SEAWOLF97]

Fine looking box, m'friend!
You are having a great year so far, eh?

Was talking with Mr. loach71 (anybody else know the significance of that name besides me ??) and he has 4 sets of big Walsh's...now he is waayyy more into his system than I and while loving the Walsh's, he acknowledges that they could use help on the top and bottom octaves.

So I added the L80t's with their bright 035ti's for top and the M&k for bottom in addition to the F's (but on separate BGW amp) and the whole thing is really starting to sound OK.

One of the biggest improvements was the ADC SS3. That pup is the best EQ that I've had and the Thorens doesn't hurt either..only thing left to upgrade is the phono cart and I just have to swap in that V-15 and there will be NO conceivable projects left...:bouncy:

[macaroonie]

Denon DL160. Yup 'n yessir E bob. :)

[hjames]

Denon DL160. Yup 'n yessir E bob. :)

Denon??

[SEAWOLF97]

Denon DL160. Yup 'n yessir E bob. :)


Denon??

Denon DL160 is a MC cart...very nice reviews , xcept my pre wont do MC w/o an addon box. :(

[macaroonie]

DL160 is a high output MC in Denons 'light body' series. It will run well in that Thorens arm.with no tracking issues. Much more transparent sounding than the Shure.

1.6mV output. This is plenty because as a low impedence source the input of the pre will not be as noisy as with the Shure hence you can wind the gain up to compensate without any problems. I have sold dozens of these in my time and seriously for the $$$$ its hard to beat.

[SEAWOLF97]

well , its not really a speaker, BUT.... I always wanted a nice listening chair. Sooo, yeaterday I'm burning time at GW, not much interesting. I go over to the furnature section to sit a while and I notice a really different looking chair. The wood matches the rosewood in my LR and it looks kinda like leather. Sit in it,,very comfy ..(does have a black ink mark on the seat), I check the price tag...it was $50 then marked to 40 then 30 then $20 and I'm thinkin "kewl" , maybe its either great vinyl or leather. Open up the headrest pillow and sure enough its leather, and then I notice motor controls , so flipping it over there is a beautiful Danish motor, check all the tags and yup , MADE IN USA. Called "Backsaver".

Give them my $20 and hauled (78 pounds) it home..cleaned up real nice and even the ink spot came off. Looked it up this morning and......:bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifhttp://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifZero Gravity Recliner - BackSaver ZGR 200LM Leather Zero Gravity Reclining Chair - Electric Recline Chair - PLUS BONUS Zero Gravity Chair (http://www.sitincomfort.com/zegrrebazgr21.html)
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$1,799.00



so it will motor ALL the way to where you are laying almost flat. Hey !! I guess will finally experience music flat !!!!

[Krunchy]

Seawolf you're too much, nice score! Gotta be comfy when listening to the tunes.
Clock looks good too, compliments your ensemble ;) :applaud:

[hjames]

The Safari continues ......M&K
Hey, that looks like what arrived yesterday via fredEx!
I was so impressed with the wood look of yours, and your feedback on the sound I figured it'd be worth checking one out, tho it seems mine is all hat and no cattle!
I knew the amp had been removed from the back of the rear plate, but - the woofer has a buzz-rattle (almost a honk) at some freqs when I feed it with the citation amp I use for the B-380 ... so, I've got a woofer on order.

[SEAWOLF97]

I knew the amp had been removed from the back of the rear plate, but - the woofer has a buzz-rattle (almost a honk) at some freqs when I feed it with the citation amp I use for the B-380 ... so, I've got a woofer on order.

I'm a little confused...you dont sound upset.

were you expecting a bum driver in addition to an ampless cabinet ?

(the wood on yours does look nice, tho)

[hjames]

I'm a little confused...you don't sound upset.
were you expecting a bum driver in addition to an ampless cabinet ?
(the wood on yours does look nice, tho)
No, but I've sent them an "I'm not pleased that it doesn't work, how can we resolve this" email, so I'll reserve screaming and yelling and see how they reply. I figured I'd run it off my external amp - and maybe buy a plate amp later, but I wasn't planning on having to replace everything in the cabinet.

I'll see what they say ... (trying to manage my anger better, eh?)

How can I stay mad - I have a cat that LOVES to sleep on the subwoofer ... even when its playing ...

[SEAWOLF97]

I'll see what they say ... (trying to manage my anger better, eh?)

How can I stay mad - I have a cat that LOVES to sleep on the subwoofer ... even when its playing ...

A kinder , gentler HJ ?
Maybe that sub gets warm ?


.
Clock looks good too, compliments your ensemble ;) :applaud:

clock is 1.5 inch black walnut - not veneer/plastic. There is a presentation plaque , given to some AT&T exec. Picked it up at GW. They charge by the pound ($1.59) and it was almost 8 pounds, but I kinda squeeked when they announced the price, so they made it a flat 5.


I've got a woofer on order.

Another M&K ?? .....musta got a good deal ?

[hjames]

A kinder , gentler HJ ?
Maybe that sub gets warm ?


Another M&K ?? .....musta got a good deal ?

Well, the speaker was $50, but shipping doubled that ... so its not worth shipping back for a refund, but if I can get a rebate (even partial) ...

Worst case - I'll sell it locally via Craig's list ... but, I'm waiting to see what comes next ...

[SEAWOLF97]

I got these 3 way AR towers, but there is no model number tag....anyone know which they are ?? ( sound Ok, even in this condition) the tops and bottoms are solid walnut and the grills fit in between those wood plates and tilt back slightly.

[SEAWOLF97]

I got these 3 way AR towers, but there is no model number tag....anyone know which they are ?? .

they were TSW 610's.

these things are going piece by piece to Oz ...including shipping , they will end up costing more than new ...also sold off the DAS pa's, the bose's , the wharfdales, the Pioneers and the Altecs ...used speaker market is hot.

yesterday picked up JBL J220's ..dont sound too bad for cheapie 2 ways and some Henry Kloss ensembles, - 2 eight in subs with 2 sats - not overpowering, but nice image.

need more storage space...working harder in retirement than when fulltime. :(


DL160 is a high output MC in Denons 'light body' series. It will run well in that Thorens arm.with no tracking issues. Much more transparent sounding than the Shure.

1.6mV output. This is plenty because as a low impedence source the input of the pre will not be as noisy as with the Shure hence you can wind the gain up to compensate without any problems. I have sold dozens of these in my time and seriously for the $$$$ its hard to beat.

Mac , are the other DL - 103,104,110 etc as good a deal ?

[macaroonie]

The 103 series are probably too heavy bodied to run well in that arm, thats 103 M/ S / D /R there was also a 303 xxx series which were low output and no use to you unless you can score a step up transformer. In fact you should be able to scare one of those up for low $$$$ these days. The reason I suggested the DL160 from that lot is that it is plug and play for your system with no further ado and will work well in that arm.
There is a DL110 also ( red body ) but it sounds turgid by comparison although I suppose as a starter MC it does OK.
Oh I forgot the 103 series are low output also.
IMHO Dynavector, Audio Technica, Ortofon are all too bright , but over the years did sell many Denons with JBL at the other end.
PS I'm picking up your traits, scored a nice clean pair of L86 with stands for £60 at the weekend. Think I have them placed in the village here for £160 ish.
Remember our prices are never as low as yours

[SEAWOLF97]

The 103 series are probably too heavy bodied to run well in that arm, thats 103 M/ S / R there was also a 303 xxx series which were low output and no use to you unless you can score a step up transformer. In fact you should be able to scare one of those up for low $$$$ these days. The reason I suggested the DL160 from that lot is that it is plug and play for your system with no further ado and will work well in that arm.
There is a DL110 also ( red body ) but it sounds turgid by comparison although I suppose as a starter MC it does OK.
Oh I forgot the 103 series are low output also.
IMHO Dynavector, Audio Technica, Ortofon are all too bright , but over the years did sell many Denons with JBL at the other end.
PS I'm picking up your traits, scored a nice clean pair of L86 with stands for £60 at the weekend. Think I have them placed in the village here for £160 ish.
Remember our prices are never as low as yours

Thanx Mac - glad I asked as I see DL110's going for nearly as much as DL-160's. :)

L86's ? If you are carefull when buying, I think its better investment than putting money in the bank. My dad who was a PHD and in "whos who in America" ..etc..etc always said " You make your money the day you buy, not the day you sell"

Of all the speakers that I've sold (many) , only 1 set has been to a female , and she was buying for a bf. Men like speakers. (and HJ too).

[macaroonie]

Weirdly there is another set of L86 nearby for £50 , I might snag em too even just to have the mid an top drivers.
It was ever thus with those carts , the extra few bucks gets you a lot more in the end. Basically a better diamond.
High o/p MC carts are tricky to make because there are more turns on the coil and since the coil ( s ) are mounted on the cantilever you dont want to add mass etc etc . Denon did a good job with these and have been running them 20 plus years.
If you want to go low output, DL301 will do the trick but you will need the step up. look for Denon AU 320.

[Krunchy]

If you are carefull when buying, I think its better investment than putting money in the bank. My dad who was a PHD and in "whos who in America" ..etc..etc always said " You make your money the day you buy, not the day you sell"

Sage advise!



Hunting's getting pretty good over there too huh Mac :applaud:

[macaroonie]

Slim Pickings. Hens teeth etc.

[SEAWOLF97]

going to look at a Pioneer PL-530 today. Any sage advise ?

[macaroonie]

Generic early DD. Not a keeper IMHO

[SEAWOLF97]

Generic early DD. Not a keeper IMHO

this is what the web says ...

DUAL MOTOR - DIRECT PLATTER DRIVE AND A SPECIAL SERVO-DRIVE MOTOR EXCLUSIVE TO TONE ARM TRACKING AND AUTOMATIC MOVEMENT FEATURES.
PL-530: Fully automatic and direct drive. A unique and fairly complicated turntable for the late 1970's. Two motors. One for the platter and one for the tone arm. The platter operates at a minimal 0.03% WRMS / wow and flutter. The tone arm is far advanced from other mass-produced units of it's time. The arm pivots on "open" or "loose" ball bearings. Open bearings in races. There's 3 pivot points opposed to the usual four. 26 loose bearings for vertical movement, and 12 loose (larger) bearings for horizontal tracking. An audiophile arm for it's time. The controls operate on actual cables. Like bicycle brake cables. Where standard turntables - Marantz 6300 - Technics etc... use wire.

PL-530
Elegant and wide record player with a direct-drive Hall-effect motor and a separate motor for the tonearm wrapped up in attractive look-at-me looks.

Double float system: The PL-530 Has a standard wood press board plinth base . And a steel sub- chassis. The tone arm connects to the subchassis. The subchassis is suspended from the plinth, along with the tone arm. All vibrations are absorbed twice, before they have a chance to spoil the record's tonal quality.

PL - 530 features a pre-formed "Monocoque Walnut Grained" cabinet. So the grain all flows correct.

here's one that went for $361
http://cgi.ebay.com/PIONEER-PL-530-TURNTABLE-SERVICED-EMPIRE-CARTRIDGE-EX_W0QQitemZ160221834119QQihZ006QQcategoryZ48649QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

OK ...later

yeah , I bought it ...pristine condition with a ADC XLM mk2 cart ...sounds quite nice,
the guy even delivered...all for a couple of quid.

[BMWCCA]

Just won this auction on Ebay. Looks like a half-decent pair of L26s to me, but I can't tell and the seller wasn't replying. They're mine now. What do you think? Ebay item #150236438225 (http://ebayitem.com/150236438225)

http://i4.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/e9/7e/abe8_1.JPG

[demon]

i own a pair of 26 too. i dont know what to do with them either!
oh yeah and mr. seawolf -youre amazing!!

cheers,
mikey

[SEAWOLF97]

Just won this auction on Ebay. Looks like a half-decent pair of L26s to me, but I can't tell and the seller wasn't replying. They're mine now. What do you think? Ebay item #150236438225 (http://ebayitem.com/150236438225)



for $30 you cant go wrong...the logos are worth at least that ....(last logo pair I saw went for $51) ....I think you may be impressed if they work right. Maybe missing cardboard gaskets on fronts of 125A's ? Worth an EZ $175 on CL.

Anyway ..imaging is outstanding on these ...nice score !!!!!



...also sold off the DAS pa's, the bose's , the wharfdales, the Pioneers and the Altecs ...used speaker market is hot.

yesterday picked up JBL J220's ..dont sound too bad for cheapie 2 ways .

The J220's are gone, only had them a week - they were the consumer version of 4355's ( :p) ...uh huh , and the CS88a's and the Hitch DD tt and the Technix DD tt and the Kenwood Stone tt are gone too ...been busy.

[SEAWOLF97]

Hauled home the big CV's today...suckas are at least 90 lbs. The 15 is a cast basket. Model is D-9.
Dont know whether to part them out or attempt a rebuild - dont think they are worth much, even if perfect condition. :o:

These ugly things that I got for $5, and flipped are now restored and up on CL by their new owner...

CERWIN VEGA model D-9 floorstanding speaker - $400 (ne-portland)

Reply to:
Date: 2008-04-24, 7:15PM PDT


for sale one pair CERWIN VEGA ,there are big speaker with 15" woofer two midrange and one tweeter, very deep bass reponse there are HUGE speaker very big and very heavy ,come to see and hear them THANK

[duaneage]

My roommate in the Air force had a pair of these. Nothing but boomy bass and screechy highs. I hated those speakers.

[SEAWOLF97]

bought one of these Tuesday evening - by Wed afternoon it was gone ....Oh, the good times we had together....;)

[SEAWOLF97]

stacking up boxes for the pallet to Oz....12,13,14,15.....shud stop at about 20.

[SEAWOLF97]

Havnt picked up much in a long time, but my friend walked into the thrift and this was laying out - ignored...he tossed them 5 for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vtg-MCINTOSH-C11-C-11-Tube-Stereo-PreAmp-Amplifier-AsIs_W0QQitemZ160242111121QQihZ006QQcategoryZ67807 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[johnaec]

Is that your friend selling it on eBay?

John

[SEAWOLF97]

Is that your friend selling it on eBay?

John

yes, 200x return on his money ....

http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gifhttp://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/globalAssets/ltCurve.gif

Vtg MCINTOSH C11 C-11 Tube Stereo PreAmp Amplifier AsIs



Winning bid:US $1,026.02

[BMWCCA]

Just imagine what it would have been worth if the Panloc caps weren't missing! ;)

Might be time to sell my C20 that's just gathering dust. But it's so pretty to look at and I love the Loudness control and record compensator settings. What a cool antique. And it'd only pay for about a fiftieth of one year of college education for one of my three kids . . . so why bother?

Or, as we look at it today, maybe fourteen tanks of gas. Anybody have a good link showing the cost of a gallon of gas versus the value of the US dollar over the past few years?

Oops, I take it all back; the last two C-20s sold on Ebay both went for over $1900, and they weren't the older glass-front prettier version like mine. Now I feel even better about keeping it. Or maybe I should just drop it off at the Goodwill?

[macaroonie]

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/05/22/you_think_fuel_prices_are_bad_historically_theyre_ not_and_weve_graphed_it.html


None of which helps. We are paying £1.20 or thereabouts per litre or to put it another way it costs me about $150 to fill my Volvo V70.
Since in this country we are taxed to death it comes as no surprise to learn that 75% of that figure is tax.

[SEAWOLF97]

. Anybody have a good link showing the cost of a gallon of gas versus the value of the US dollar over the past few years?


I remember buying gas at 24.9 cents in HS. that station was higher than most, but had girls in bikinis on skates pumping, so we put up with the high cost :o: (but I was making $1.35 an hour)


Or maybe I should just drop it off at the Goodwill?

he said the damage was very evidently done at the store, they dont care...yet their glass case where the valuable stuff goes has brownie cameras and hats. :(

[BMWCCA]

I remember buying gas at 24.9 cents in HS. that station was higher than most, but had girls in bikinis on skates pumping, so we put up with the high cost :o: (but I was making $1.35 an hour)I remember when I bought my first motorcycle just before graduating from high-school, gas was 22¢/gallon in St. Louis and I was making about $3/hour. That would be 1971.

At the time I believe minimum wage was $1.60 and didn't to to $2.00 until 1974. Currently something like $5.85, scheduled to go to $6.55 this summer, and to $7.25 next summer. Using a current price-per-gallon of $4, that would be like me making 32¢/hr and buying gas at 22¢ back in '71. Even using the recorded average price of gas back then of something around 36¢, the equivalent cost compared to the minimum wage today would have to be about $1.31 per gallon to be equal to back then.

[loach71]

stacking up boxes for the pallet to Oz....12,13,14,15.....shud stop at about 20.

I like the VNSM bumper sticker.
Always good for some Bun Bo Hue during Tet...

[SEAWOLF97]

stacking up boxes for the pallet to Oz....12,13,14,15.....shud stop at about 20.

final count was 24


gas was 22¢/gallon in St. Louis and I was making about $3/hour. That would be 1971. .

thats pretty cheap..the 24.9 that I remember was '67 (maybe the entertainment got factored in) ...Q ? : why dont we have bikini HS girls on skates pumping gas anymore ?? Might take the sting out of 4 buck gallons. :D


Always good for some Bun Bo Hue during Tet...

BBH gives me gas. (not the good kind) ..crab cha gio is nice. Last Thanksgiving we had live shrimp dropped into boiling coconut broth and dipped into a salt/pepper/lemon juice dip...WOW , that was good.:) When you cook 'em that way, the shells get soft and you don't have to shuck them.

[SEAWOLF97]

safari Ok today....got a nice little pair of Ar's...the titanium HF's go quick at BIN$40 and a really decent pair L-56....need foam/rubber natch, but cabs and grills and HF's all look great !!!! and all for under ....NO..we calc everything by a gallon of gas these days...so, slightly over 2 gallons.

they sure look like rubber, but I read they (L56) are foam, anyone know for sure ???

[SEAWOLF97]

they sure look like rubber, but I read they (L56) are foam, anyone know for sure ???

finished up the foam job ...cant call it a refoam as I still dont know what the original surrounds were....looked like rubber, but felt like plastic (118h)

the surround shape was odd...looks like an aircraft wing cross section. I stood the piece on its end and scanned so to show more clearly....usually I clean out the basket edge with a dremmel and wire brush wheel, but this stuff just melts.

[SEAWOLF97]

finished up the L56's....really like the little guys, like an L26 with slightly better bass and hf. the foam looks OK as long as you dont remember the original black stuff...also picked up some Advent P3arls. nice little wall hangers. Someone in the thrift found them b4 me and wired them to a boombox, but apparently gave up when sound only from 1 speaker, at least thats how I found them. I just swapped signal leads and the hot speaker moved, so I knew they both were OK. :D

The Advents can be wired as "mains" or "surrounds" (2 sets of 2 wiring posts, labeled as such)...would that mean a low filter is available ?

[hmolwitz]

I picked up a pair of Tannoy Mallorcan for $30 at a yard sale today, pics and comments later. HF is intermittant on one, I think it is a bad contact in the plug to the driver, The good one sound very nice, Cabs a bit scuffy, but the drivers are choice, a monitor gold 12".
I think this one is a serious score, I feel bad about talking them down from 35 to $30.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320260375788&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

That one is not mine//no affiliation etc
Harry

[BMWCCA]

I have a friend who last night told me he has a pair of Heil AMT-1s stashed away he's intended to re-foam but he's unsure how the cabinets come apart. I've not seen them but my Googling tells me they came in a rectangular version as well as a triangular version. Don't know which these are but I'll ask. The question he asked was how they come apart to gain access to the woofers. Do the tops just pull off, or is there some hidden fastener to watch out for? If anyone has experience with these, I'd appreciate some tips to begin the process. Thanks.

[SEAWOLF97]

I picked up a pair of Tannoy Mallorcan for $30 at a yard sale today, pics and comments later.
Harry

not familiar with that model, but it sounds like a fun project....you are in "the right spirit" ...look foreward to your pix.

this week I picked up and finished already a pair of AR38b's - 3 way, 8 incher- for $5 and a pair of Mission 760i's for $8.50 ,,all sounding nice. It's sometimes amazing whats out there, on the cheap !!! (its turned into a kind of game , anymore) :D

[SEAWOLF97]

nice little set of L40's and ugly Warfdale Valdus 500's...total cost = less than 3 gallons of gas. :D

[SEAWOLF97]

The L40's came out really nice ... very dynamic, good image and smooth for their compact size,,,mebbe slightly nicer than my fav L26's ?? hadnt noticed before..they are L40A's.

Pulled the LF and this was a surprise to me..the gaskets have tabs that are stapled thru to hold crisscrossed bats behind the driver...in all the JBL's I've opened, this is the first of that config.

[SEAWOLF97]

So is that the speaker safari over ? :p


Mac - it seems the cheap speakers have dried up...they had some cheesey AR/teledyne 3 ways, but wanted $150 w/o grills and untested...not for this pup, and some crappy little Infinity's that i passed on too I did end up with a nice Technics SL-D3 with good AT cart and this brass 400 day clock..just needs suspension wire ( have fixed clocks for a long time ) ...looked it up, during the VN war, German clocks were being sold in the US PX's and Japan wanted a piece of that market and produced these clones from late 60's to 1975.

[macaroonie]

you are a diverse man :D

[SEAWOLF97]

you are a diverse man :D

thanx Mac...thats the nicest thing anyone has called me in a long time..:D

diverse man = Renaissance man , right ?


OBTW: I like your kilt.

[SEAWOLF97]

picked up another M&K sub today....will be stereo subs , I guess....:o:

[SEAWOLF97]

4 B&O CX-100's ..these pups are cast/ one piece solid Aluminum ? 12 pounds each ...hope they sound good as they look after 8 driver refoams :o: I went out to see as the kid/seller who said they were perfect, yeah right ......all 8 need refoams, which I pointed out...he just said "take them", but heck, he needed the money more than I , so I gave him half the asking price ,,,couldn't just "take them".

[hjames]

picked up another M&K sub today....will be stereo subs , I guess....:o:

Wow - that wood strip in the grill is pure class!

[Titanium Dome]

Wow - that wood strip in the grill is pure class!

Might be the nicest thing on the whole unit. ;)


(Sorry, it's just a joke.)

[BMWCCA]

Thought I'd post this here, otherwise someone will accuse me of trying to drive the price DOWN! :banghead:

I saw this ad on Craig's List this morning:
Harman/Kardon / JBL Stereo System - $150

Harman/Kardon AVR 20-II receiver, Harman/Kardon FL8300 5 disc CD Changer and pair of JBL L5 speakers.

Want to sell as a unit. $150 or best offer. So, since it was near my brother-in-law's home in the northeast (the same guy I didn''t bother on a Sunday when spwal picked-up my L5s for me last year) I called and told him to give it a try. Hecalled and got an answering machine, but later got a call back. And now he's going to pick them up. I told him if he didn't like them I'd buy the L5s for the total price and he could pawn the rest of the stuff!

I think he's psyched about becoming a hi-fi guy. I'm hoping his wife won't like them and I'll get them to pass along. When he asked why I'd want them if I already had the L5 and L7s, I knew he didn't understand! ;) The first step was to steal them from the owner. Looks like "mission accomplished" on that front, hopefully. I'll let you know.

[SEAWOLF97]

Might be the nicest thing on the whole unit. ;)


(Sorry, it's just a joke.)

Taking over for that Az. guy ??

(Sorry, it's just a joke.)


Thought I'd post this here, otherwise someone will accuse me of trying to drive the price DOWN! :banghead:

I saw this ad on Craig's List this morning: So, since it was near my brother-in-law's home in the northeast (the same guy I didn''t bother on a Sunday when spwal picked-up my L5s for me last year) I called and told him to give it a try. Hecalled and got an answering machine, but later got a call back. And now he's going to pick them up. I told him if he didn't like them I'd buy the L5s for the total price and he could pawn the rest of the stuff!

I think he's psyched about becoming a hi-fi guy. I'm hoping his wife won't like them and I'll get them to pass along. When he asked why I'd want them if I already had the L5 and L7s, I knew he didn't understand! ;) The first step was to steal them from the owner. Looks like "mission accomplished" on that front, hopefully. I'll let you know.

sounds like a heckofadeal if you can make it happen, even I wud do that one.

[hjames]

Well, my "spare" FL changer died, so if the changer is available (and if it does HDCD like my old one did) I'd be interested in it ...
So, are you setting up a surround system with L5s?


saw this ad on Craig's List this morning: Quote:
Harman/Kardon / JBL Stereo System - $150

Harman/Kardon AVR 20-II receiver, Harman/Kardon FL8300 5 disc CD Changer and pair of JBL L5 speakers.

Want to sell as a unit. $150 or best offer.
I told him if he didn't like them I'd buy the L5s for the total price and he could pawn the rest of the stuff!

I think he's psyched about becoming a hi-fi guy. I'm hoping his wife won't like them and I'll get them to pass along. When he asked why I'd want them if I already had the L5 and L7s, I knew he didn't understand! ;) The first step was to steal them from the owner. Looks like "mission accomplished" on that front, hopefully. I'll let you know.

[BMWCCA]

sounds like a heckofadeal if you can make it happen, even I wud do that one.He picked the stuff up yesterday! Photographic evidence suggests the L5s are only slightly smaller than my youngest nephew. No report yet on whether they stay or come to me.

[SEAWOLF97]

things are getting lean, but 2 TT's and an LX44 ...anyone need single drivers ?

[Fred Sanford]

things are getting lean, but 2 TT's and an LX44 ...anyone need single drivers ?

I'm supposed to have that tweet (026Ti) on its way to me via E-Bay, but if that doesn't get here in working condition I'd certainly be interested in yours. I'll be in touch.

je

[SEAWOLF97]

I'm supposed to have that tweet (026Ti) on its way to me via E-Bay, but if that doesn't get here in working condition I'd certainly be interested in yours. I'll be in touch.

je

Fred
I just hooked up that speaker, all drivers sound good....if you need the 026ti, PM me ...even use for spare ?

[Fred Sanford]

Fred
I just hooked up that speaker, all drivers sound good....if you need the 026ti, PM me ...even use for spare ?

I'll let you know, it shipped on the 5th via USPS from your end of the world.

Thanks...

je

[SEAWOLF97]

Pioneer tt is gone, but picked up a big Pioneer receiver w/reverb .... this is the exact same model (sx-9000) that I mail ordered from the PX in '69 ...works great, just needs lights....case is remarkable cond. :)

[boputnam]

This remains one of my favorite threads.

[SEAWOLF97]

This remains one of my favorite threads.

this forum needs more members like you, Bo ,,,not like the sarcastic a$$holes that seem to be on other forums.

[boputnam]

Ah, don't worry about them. Sometimes dry wit, hilarious to one, may offend another. Try to see their sarcasm as humor - something must make them smile!

Let the safari continue...

[hjames]

this forum needs more members like you, Bo ,,,not like the sarcastic a$$holes that seem to be on other forums.

I am just amazed at all the really cool gear you run across in your travels!
And not a small bit envious! How do you decide which gear moves you?

[SEAWOLF97]

I am just amazed at all the really cool gear you run across in your travels!
And not a small bit envious! How do you decide which gear moves you?

>> How do you decide which gear moves you?

condition, build quality, brand (mid-fi or above), price, resale value etc ....I take a pass on abt 95% of possible buys, but still get burned from time to time ...Pioneer/Marantz receivers prior to 1990 just had super build quality and many are still chugging along ..(with burned out bulbs) ...most decent quality tt's are hot right now.

afraid to walk into my storage areas amymore....:o:

(that Technics tt just disappeared too... :))

[SEAWOLF97]

Pair of Altec Lansing model 1's in oak and those low tilted bases that I like :D
they's going now, sound pretty good, lots of bass , big image. :applaud:
sound at least as good as an L-19 ?

[Doc Mark]

Hey, SeaWolf,

I agree with Bo on this one! This is a really fun thread, and one in which we can all share, vicariously, your good fortune, and blessed luck, in finding all this great stuff!!! Long may your successes continue, and most definitely, please keep sharing them with us!! Well done! :applaud::D Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc (who has your very same "touch", only it's in finding rare and hard to find;):D backpacking/expedition stoves!)

[boputnam]

Pair of Altec Lansing model 1's in oak and those low tilted bases that I like :D
they's going now, sound pretty good, lots of bass , big image. :applaud:
sound at least as good as an L-19 ?I always figured those were the update of the little Corona's. They were my first separately purchased cabinets. They ended-up quasi-mounted into the "back-in-the-back" of my Torino 1972 station wagon. :) I wish I'd have known of the 4301B's. FAR superior...

[SEAWOLF97]

I always figured those were the update of the little Corona's. They were my first separately purchased cabinets. They ended-up quasi-mounted into the "back-in-the-back" of my Torino 1972 station wagon. :) I wish I'd have known of the 4301B's. FAR superior...

yup, in the late 70's I had 2 L100 wannabe's seatbelted in the backseat of my Cortina GT (English Ford, looked like a Datsun 510) ... was King o' da Roost for a while..:D

jusr sold those stands under the Altecs for 3X what the speakers cost me...:)
weird math.

[SEAWOLF97]

picked up another Apt/Holman preamp, pair of PS8's, Sony dd tt w/linear arm (sounds really nice) its programmable like a CD player and you could stack in a gear stack, these Infinity ref pair (sound incredible) and this weird German mantle clock ...thankfully stuff is going out the door at abt the same rate.

Does anyone know abt the Hermle clock ?? I cant google anything on this except that other Hermle's are expensive. It is pretty big at 17 inches wide and 8 inches high. The base is solid walnut and the clock case look to be solid birch..it sits on 4 brass feet and the bezel is a cool convex glass

next day ..the finities are gone, really gonna miss them...ah, the good times we had together , (well, at least 18 hours :) )

[boputnam]

Does anyone know abt the Hermle clock ?? I cant google anything on this except that other Hermle's are expensive. I guess you found the Hermle website (http://www.hermleclock.com/).

And, we might even lose you for a few days while you get acquainted on the ClockForum (http://www.clockforum.com/)!! Hell - there's one for everything... :rotfl:

[SEAWOLF97]

I guess you found the Hermle website (http://www.hermleclock.com/).

yup, but they dont seem to answer their emails..

havnt seen a decent used pair of speakers in a long time, but did find this today. 70 WPC in stereo mode.

[SEAWOLF97]

when I did R2R , always wanted an A77, now that the tapes are gone, I get one, also some JBL flix1's..

[macaroonie]

Tom innit lovely-- just for the noise it makes when it moves. FWIW Erica Studer took me to dinner once upon a time. She is Swiss and therefore made no noise at all :D

[macaroonie]

A77 can make one of the sweetest echo FX for your muso chums

[SEAWOLF97]

Lancer 77's ...pgood condition, cracks in hard surrounds , traded a cantankerous Sony tt for them.

NEXT DAY: I listened to them yesterday, wasnt really impressed. Looked at old threads and saw they are worth $125-150 when refoamed (all 4 needed) ....stuck them on CL and =presto= gone in 5 minutes to a flipper who "cheated" me out of them .

[SEAWOLF97]

well ,with the snow/hail/sleet/sunny cycle going lately I decided to go on safari to my unused bedrooms closet ...expected old suits, unfashionable clothes...but was surprised to find these Altec 409-8D's and a nice little pair of AR4x's ....(besides the old rags) ...tested them, all play well ...the coax Altecs I think will be Ok when in a cab...the AR's pretty good "as-is" ..some terrorist musta sneaked in and left them , I do not remember ever buying these. :o:

could not find reference to the Altecs anywhere on this site.

[SEAWOLF97]

took the wiggy Sansui 9090 (with the wall switch wired "in-line" - no knobs/lights - had been sitting on the patio for a year ) to the shop , he bought it ..went out and got the 4 pristine JBL P-20's and a sub , came home with money in pocket :D

[SEAWOLF97]

Have not even dusted them yet.....sound fantastic - 2 eights, both active, I think- , beautiful veneer
( i'm a veneer junkie) .....they were set to bi-amp, but the wrong posts had been used, the correct ones were screwed down tight , the wrong ones were half way up ..

[boputnam]

..some terrorist musta sneaked in and left them , I do not remember ever buying these. :o: I love this thread - cracks me up every time... :applaud:

[SEAWOLF97]

How BAD is it ??
so bad that I'm buying Bostons ( are they any better than Bose ??)

[Fred Sanford]

How BAD is it ??
so bad that I'm buying Bostons ( are they any better than Bose ??)

I've had some that I liked a lot. I use A40s for L/C/R in the theater at our lake house with a Marantz receiver. No complaints at all.

je

[SEAWOLF97]

went out on safari yesterday and grabbed some JBL model 50 speakers (BestBuy junk) and some old Blonde KLH 6 speakers (sound OK) but the real finds were a Pfaff sewing machine (like new) and a MSS-80 .
.the Microsoft sound system was produced by Philips (according to rumor) and was a super 3 piece PC system...it can go analog or pure digital (only needing usb , no soundcard) and is the only computer sound sys that just gets louder and louder without distorting (prolly cause of no DAC) it uses WOOx Technology for the sub http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOOx
and is the flat out nicest thing you can hook to your computer outside of real gear :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Sound_System_80



System type: Biamplified, stereophonic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic) speakers and monaural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaural) subwoofer
Amplification: High efficiency, class-D switch-mode power amplifier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switching_amplifier)
Rated power output (per IEC 268.3):

Subwoofer: 44 W
Left/Right Speakers: 32 W, 16 W per speaker


Frequency response: 40 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Transducers:

Subwoofer: 5.25" Dual voice coil active woofer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woofer), 6" wOOx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOOx) passive radiator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radiator_%28speaker%29)
Left/Right Speakers: 3" full range (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-range), magnetically shielded


Power supply (subwoofer only): AC 110-220 V, 50-60 Hz, 310mA @ 220V
Electronic crossover frequency (subwoofer to a speaker): 160 Hz

[Fangio]

This remains one of my favorite threads.+1 :)

:birthday: Tom.

[SEAWOLF97]

+1 :)

:birthday: Tom.

Thanx very much Fangio , I'm now officially old.


I decided to go on safari to my unused bedrooms closet ... a nice little pair of AR4x's ....(besides the old rags) ...tested them, all play well ...

just sold the little 4x's ....set them up to demo ...my my they sounded nice for non-JBL :D

[hjames]

Thanx very much Fangio , I'm now officially old. :D

You are not old yet! - you got 15-20 yet before O L D kicks in!
(maybe more, the way you talk about bicycling around that town!)

[SEAWOLF97]

You are not old yet! - you got 15-20 yet before O L D kicks in!


Tell that to my bum ankle ..VA is talking up surgery again.



(maybe more, the way you talk about bicycling around that town!)

I was out on the Fuji 2 days ago (its a mountain bike, I cant get down "on the drops" of a road bike anymore)..just cruising along, turned the corner and about 120 feet down my lane was a radar trap ..with a big readout "YOUR SPEED IS.....XX..." ...so I jumped on the pedals and gave it full speed.
Radar showed 14 MPH :D ...I was jazzed until I remembered that the track guys who run 4 minute miles are averaging 15 mph for a whole mile...I cant do that one..:(

[SEAWOLF97]

Have not even dusted them yet.....sound fantastic - 2 eights, both active, I think- , beautiful veneer
( i'm a veneer junkie) .....they were set to bi-amp, but the wrong posts had been used, the correct ones were screwed down tight , the wrong ones were half way up ..

Just watched a pair on 'da Bay sell for
Winning bid: US $670.97

went out on safari yesterday and grabbed ? but the real finds were a Pfaff sewing machine (like new)


Wow ,,,I gotta find more of these ..sold fast for good bux.

[conket]

things are getting lean, but 2 TT's and an LX44 ...anyone need single drivers ?

Hello,
By anychance you still have the woofer of that LX44 and how much, please?
Thank you,

[jomina]

I looked them up on the web, and they are essentially the famous NS-1000 without the beryillium hf and mf...I cant really see why those wud be needed as the NS-690II does very well with paper ones.
Hmm, I think you would need to listen to the real thing to understand why. THe cabinet is also siginificantly less massive than on the NS1000.
FWIW, "0" is not flat on NS1000s. L-pads should be set to about -3 on the mids and between -2 and -3 on the tweets. Very midrangy otherwise.
To judge from the photo, the midrange dome on your 690 has been bashed in. Not good.

Joel

[SEAWOLF97]

, the midrange dome on your 690 has been bashed in. Not good.
Joel

Joel
When you pay $5 for a pair of 690II's , you take what you can get, happily..I never noticed that mid with less coverage or down on output. Looked at pushing it out from the inside, but no access, they have been restored as far as I want do go and put in storage, replaced with a big aDs pair ...few of my cheap finds are in perfect condition (except the L166's) , but NBD , they usually get passed off to friends/family or parted out in extreme conditions so that others may live. ...the well has dried up, not much more to grab at cheap prices.

What do you get for $5 in Tokyo ?



I was out on the Fuji 2 days ago (its a mountain bike, I cant get down "on the drops" of a road bike anymore)..just cruising along, turned the corner and about 120 feet down my lane was a radar trap ..with a big readout "YOUR SPEED IS.....XX..." ...so I jumped on the pedals and gave it full speed.
Radar showed 14 MPH :D ...I was jazzed until I remembered that the track guys who run 4 minute miles are averaging 15 mph for a whole mile...I cant do that one..:(

found 2 more radar traps yesterday on the bike ...was prepared and made it to 18 MPH thru one and the 2nd was at the bottom of a hill and I registered 28 MPH ..WooHoo !! :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

[jomina]

Joel
When you pay $5 for a pair of 690II's , you take what you can get, happily..I never noticed that mid with less coverage or down on output. Fair point... And they're not insubstantial speakers either. If they're similar to the NS-1000s, the L-pads really work and are worth playing around with.


What do you get for $5 in Tokyo ? bento lunch box and a soft drink.

[SEAWOLF97]

Fair point... And they're not insubstantial speakers either.

good eye on catching the mid indent....as I recall JBL L-100 is about 48 pounds,,the Yammie is 62 pounds and approx the same cab size. They are very forward for Nipponese speakers and wud be in daily use if I didnt have many many others to use. So forward that I usually joke that they must be from the West Coast of Japan. :o: L-pads do work and are set as you suggested.
They are very undervalued IMHO ..a pristine set (which mine arent) normally sell for under $150

[jomina]

Could be that the dent is causing the forwardness. It must be having some effect. My experience with the 1000s (1000x) is that with the L-pads engaged they are not forward sounding in the mids/treble. They should have a slow, reasonably smooth roll-off from around 5kHz.
This is what I like. Paid a bit more than $5 for mine, though. There were many, many NS-1000 clones produced in Japan in the seventies and eighties. Not too many of them are remembered now, and from what I've heard, with good reason...

[opimax]

Tom,

I went through a radr trap wheezing "flying" through and I think I hit 17. Also in the same park the group of pros go by, spandex, colorful shirts, and nice bikes.They are chatting, laughing w/each other just cruising along, b not being serious at the time... I can't keep up at full speed and this is when I am "in shape" lol

I still love biking, just not with them yet(or ever is my guess)

Mark

[SEAWOLF97]

Could be that the dent is causing the forwardness. It must be having some effect.

I shud have clarified that...was referring when pads set to zero or +1.


Tom,

I went through a radr trap wheezing "flying" through and I think I hit 17. Also in the same park the group of pros go by, spandex, colorful shirts, and nice bikes.They are chatting, laughing w/each other just cruising along, b not being serious at the time... I can't keep up at full speed and this is when I am "in shape" lol

I still love biking, just not with them yet(or ever is my guess)

Mark

Mark..I get passed by road bikes often..dont hear them coming and then they just pull away....but I cycle more for the rehab on my ankle than taking it seriously

(there are only 2 exercises that are not destructive to an ankle...swimming & biking)

...10-12 miles is a good trip for me and most of the time I have LP records in a plastic bag strapped in front of the bars...there are 5 thrifts within my range and fast food places to match..
But I am serious about safety..gloves, helmet, green vest and I follow traffic rules/laws as many times I'm on busy roads.
When I had an expensive road bike ...man I cud go fast, but spent too much time on the side of the road fixing flats ....Now, with the mountain bike, never had a flat and estimate is that have accumulated 3000-4000 miles on it. Good Japanese ChroMolly Alloy frame keeps on going, and the Shimano Deore set just does its thing.
Funny, last summer I bought a new TREK MultiTrack and just havnt ridden it much..its all China made and the quality does not hold even close to my 90's Fuji..

My son comes over on his Cannondale..sucker looks like its doing 40 when sitting still ..you hold it up and even a little breeze and it wants to roll ..he's headed to London for school in Sept so I may get a chance to try it when he is gone.

But you are right ..I love cycling too,,its like flying (but on land) :bouncy:

[trekman]

When I had an expensive road bike ...man I cud go fast, but spent too much time on the side of the road fixing flats ....Now, with the mountain bike, never had a flat and estimate is that have accumulated 3000-4000 miles on it. Good Japanese ChroMolly Alloy frame keeps on going, and the Shimano Deore set just does its thing.
Funny, last summer I bought a new TREK MultiTrack and just havnt ridden it much..its all China made and the quality does not hold even close to my 90's Fuji..

My son comes over on his Cannondale..sucker looks like its doing 40 when sitting still ..you hold it up and even a little breeze and it wants to roll ..he's headed to London for school in Sept so I may get a chance to try it when he is gone.



Bikes in some ways are very much like hifi and many other products. Despite the current industry's best minds trying to make every possible improvement to their products, the stuff made in the past is perceived to be better. You didn't mention the selling prices of either bike, but I would guess a Deore (LX)90's Fuji went for between 700-$1000. Referring to a "Multitrack" usually implies a model 7100, which sold for about $329 in the past two years. To compare a bike to the older Fuji, with inflation, a bike costing around $1000-$1400 should be used. Some of the older components do have a nicer finish and do look better built I must admit, but repair wise everything regardless of build period seems to fail at the same mileage or abuse. Some people get very attached to their older bike and have a hard time finding something new they like, some people instantly are happy with the newer model. I would venture a guess that to cover a 1000 calorie burned distance on the MTB, the Multitrack would only require 925 calories. Besides my username brand, I also retail Fuji, Cannondale's parent companies other brands, and a bunch of others, btw. Ok, back to 375's and 2231B's....

[SEAWOLF97]

Trekman - pretty close on most guesses...the TREK is a 7200 and the Fuji a Suncrest ...the Fuji must be at least 5 pounds heavier, tho no shock protection at all..I didnt buy it new, but have had it since mid 90's ..
I'm not attacking TREK (although the grip shifters suck..mebbe all of them do) , but after doing a lot of auditioning last summer , nearly bought a Kona Dew+ over various Treks..but then the Fuji just goes and goes..

My standard coasting test,(slightly downhill) I can give the Fuji a couple of spins and it coasts a quarter mile..the 7200 will not do it, takes continual pedaling. You are right tho, one gets comfortable like an old pair of shoes and its hard to change to new one(s).

I shud note that the Fuji looks nothing like the current MTB's and actually has a longer wheelbase than the TREK.

[SEAWOLF97]

no speakers, but 9 tt's and a Marantz 2230 ...any keepers ? naw, but lots of trading & CL fodder..:D

(yes, that is a Rec-O-Kut )

also a SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS card ..looks hisute from the box description.

[hmolwitz]

I got an old Trek Mt bike at a yard sale and ride it to work occasionally, I have a road bike but I was always nervous about hopping curbs and glass in the road, the roads in CT are not bike friendly in the least, and neither are the drivers. I figure I need the exercise so what is the difference, I will never race and I am no longer in a hurry to get anywhere. Maint has been minimal on the Trek, and I am sure I can keep it running till the frame rusts out.
Guy from work wiped out on a corner running over broken glass from an accident and got all scraped up, so take care out there.
Harry

[SEAWOLF97]

the road, the roads in CT are not bike friendly in the least, and neither are the drivers.
Harry


the roads in Portland are getting more bike friendly..there are dedicated bike lanes everywhere and bike only paths and green boxes at some intersections...even some bike corrals downtown..
One of the city transportation planners let on that the goal is to have more than half of all transportation via bike by 2020.

That said..it can still be dangerous out there....:( We still get 1 or 2 killed a year...most have been hit and run and it is thot to be the work of illegals with no license or insurance.

I just turned 60 (retired almost 7 years) and have a bad ankle, so biking is great exercise for me and making routes hitting the thrifts and scooping up cheap LP's is great fun :bouncy:
(see "Whats playing now") ... http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=245060&postcount=1400

[hmolwitz]

Picked up 2 pairs of speakers today on opposite ends of the spectrum.
A pair of Auratone 5c slightly beaten but working and some Allison 1s which I had some kind of unrequited mental romance with in my teenage years, so now at least I can listen to them and see if they are anywhere near my imaginings.


Looking at them now all I can think is they might make a nice rear speaker if you wired the 2 sides separately... Heh

Auratones are better than I expected, but my expectations were low.

Harry

[SEAWOLF97]

some Allison 1s which I had some kind of unrequited mental romance with in my teenage years, so now at least I can listen to them and see if they are anywhere near my imaginings.
Harry

let us know how the Allisons work out...they always reviewed great, but never got a chance to hear any..think they were in and out of biz quickly ?


ever wonder why the safari is so much fun ? I fit right in wif my town ..

"cultural pursuits both high and low" ..thats me !!

Frugal Portland" one of most-emailed stories on New York Times site
by The Oregonian Monday May 11, 2009, 6:42 AM

Seems that some people can't get enough about our fair city.
Portland was splashed on the cover of the Sunday New York Times travel section - and the story rocketed to the top of The Times' Web site's most-emailed list where it remained for most of Sunday.
The story, "Frugal Portland, (http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/05/10/travel/10Portland.html?em)" celebrates the city's indie ethic and its deep bench of culinary stars. Today, the story is still lingering near the top of the most popular story, taking the No. 2 spot on the most-emailed list.
Amid economic catastrophe -- Oregon has the country's second-highest unemployment rate -- there was a general indifference to wealth. In its place was a dedication to the things that really matter: hearty food and drink, cultural pursuits both high and low, days in the outdoors and evenings out with friends. It's the good life, and in Portland it still comes cheap.

http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/05/10/travel/10Portland.html?em

[BMWCCA]

Today I picked up my first pair of non-JBLs. A local guy who was the original owner gave me a pair of Sansui SP-X3U speakers. He said he had used them in his home recording studio for years as monitors but moved and no longer has a studio. His wife wanted him to get rid of the speakers and offered to put them in her yard sale. The guy said he'd rather give them to someone who might appreciate them. That turned out to be me.

http://www.sansui.us/images/Speakers/SP_Later/SPX3U_2.jpg


They're three-ways that look like L80T clones, and tomorrow I'll put them side-by-side with the L80Ts to see what they do. Raining too hard right now to get the other one out of the car. They're 14x26.5x12.5" in heavy, sturdy MDF cabinets covered in oak-grained vinyl veneer. I took the drivers out and they are cheap stamped frames with simple magnet assemblies but the crossover looks like someone spent some time on it, the mid is in a sealed tube that runs the entire depth of the cabinet, and it came new with 5-way binding post set up for dual-bananas. Made in USA and rated to handle up to 250-watts. The owner even had the original owner's manual. In very clean condition with one stuffed dustcap on one mid-range that I was able to Hoover back to perfection since it's some kind of rubbery fabric

Drivers are described as:
Woofer: 10" Carbon-filled Polypropylene Cone & Butyl Rubber surround (inverted roll)
Mid-range: 5" Carbon-filled Polypropylene Cone
Tweeter: 3/4" Liquid-cooled Soft Dome
Efficiency: 90dB/W/m
Crossover frequencies: 700Hz, 5,000Hz
Impedence: 8-ohms
Response: 35Hz-23kHz
Weight: 43 lbs.
Type: Acoustic suspension
In build quality they should be similar to the LX-55 though with a cloth-dome tweeter they could be a bit smoother. We'll see. Regardless, they're going to pass to someone interested in Sansui speakers because I already have way too many and I'm probably past rationalization with my wife and family—unless they're JBLs. Luckily my wife and one daughter just left for Paris so I'm free to experiment . . . for a while!

[SEAWOLF97]

They're three-ways that look like L80T clones, and tomorrow Made in USA and rated to handle up to 250-watts.Weight: 43 lbs.


Never heard of USA made Sansuis...usually they are Kabuki specials, tho these look restrained..43 pounds for a 10 incher seems pretty substantial.

(heresy to follow) ....stamped baskets ? of course we wud like to have cast, but in the real world I've never heard any difference...have some big Marantz's with a generic (looked up the manf code , didnt recognize the name) 12 inch stamped woofer, sounded just fine.

since I didnt like my departed L80T's..hoping that they sound that good doesnt mean too much. Think they may be closer to an L-36.

Keep us informed with the listening impressions.

[BMWCCA]

..43 pounds for a 10 incher seems pretty substantial.

since I didnt like my departed L80T's..hoping that they sound that good doesnt mean too much. Think they may be closer to an L-36.

Keep us informed with the listening impressions.
Seemed heavy to me, too, but that's what the manual lists. Shipping weight is listed as more so that should be bare. I hugged one on the scale with me and came up with only slightly less but then my bathroom scale gets severely taxed when asked to figure beyond 250-lbs. and it's already gone 'round once in that range!

I mentioned L80T because the grille treatment mimics that model, and since I have a pair of those. I know you're a 4410 fan and we've gone down this road before, but with the GordonW mods to the cabinet volume with extra fiberglass batting and duct extension, the L80T is really not a bad system. On some music they outperform the L96s. On others they're muddy by comparison, but isn't that always the case? ;)

Looks like the skies are finally clearing, at least temporarily, and maybe I can dodge the cats and dogs to bring the other side inside soon. I have no expectation that these'll perform anywhere close to L36 or L80T levels but if they sound even half as good as the crappy little LX22s, they'll be worth their free price and can be passed along to a Sansui true-believe, if such people exist. :D

[SEAWOLF97]

I have no expectation that these'll perform anywhere close to L36 or L80T levels but if they sound even half as good as the crappy little LX22s, they'll be worth their free price and can be passed along to a Sansui true-believe, if such people exist. :D

I have a pair of Bolivars......(see... http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3454 )

they were JBL's budget line speakers (tho better than Radiance) and the 3 way 10 incher is about 90 percent as good as an L-36 , tho the cabs sucked -big time-

[BMWCCA]

Not that anyone here cares, but here goes.

Initial reaction: If you didn't tell anyone what they were, hid the vinyl-covered cabinets and stamped frames, many would probably think these Sansui SP-X3U's were some pretty darn nice speakers. My L26s are stashed away so I can't do an A-B comparison but using the L96 and L80T I can tell you the Sansui lacks bass extension of the kind that you can hear outside the room and that makes you really feel that instrument when in the room.

The tweeters are pleasant enough, actually a bit brighter than the L96 044s run flat, and the mid-range is a bit "forward" as I've heard it described and as I think I understand that descriptor. But, compared to my JBLs, when playing jazz with piano accompaniment or harmony vocals, the sound is artificial, not particular high-fidelity, and the vocals and the accompanying instruments get a bit muddled together. There's a nice cut on Lyle Lovett's "Joshua Judges Ruth" with Ricky Lee Jones singing harmony. Say what you will about her, this is a really nice song, but Lyle and Ricky come out of the Sansui as if they melded their voices into an almost indistinguishable blob. Likewise the piano on (any) Fourplay CD gets lost as background instrumentation where on the (any) JBL it's truly a solo instrument playing its part and not really coming out of a soup can after all.

I suppose like most 10-inchers, the Sansui will benefit from placement and some barrier reinforcment. Together with my LX22s they might make an okay small HT system for my brother-in-law's living room. I had slated the L80Ts for him but I'm enjoying them fairly often, mostly to compare and contrast to the L96s just to reassure me one really is that much better than the other. ;) It's often kind of hard to rationalize the enthusiastic following the L96 gets here when your main system is an 18" 4-way JBL monitor and the second system is L7s, but they are stars compared to nearly anything else, for sure. The L80Ts, as updated and nice as they are, prove this whenever I want to. And the occasional interloper like the Sansui really cements that impression.

And then I take the same CD downstairs and play it on the bi-amped 4345s and wonder, "Why do I have all these other speakers?"

That's all you're gonna get from this loquacious Virginian on that topic right now (though I'm actually from Harry Truman's home state). If you know some Sansui fan in the Mid-Atlantic area who has a hole in their collection just waiting for this model, tell them I don't accept cash but will take nearly anything JBL in trade! :D

Sorry, I just type quickly becauase I do a lot of it for a living.

[SEAWOLF97]

original L166's (yes, there are 2) ...B&O 4002 ..works great
made offer on Horizons and he countered 40 percent LOWER :blink:

oh yeah,,some Senn HD414's..need pads

[SEAWOLF97]

Pristine !!!! :applaud:
yes- there are 2 with boxes :D w/all hang tags , original waranty & instructions
just played them for half hour,,,foams are usable (tho dont know for how long)

was watching a B&O 4002 just like mine in the above post....WOW !!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120444385288



--BANG & OLUFSEN TURNTABLE--BEOGRAM 4002--EXTRAORDINARY!

Winning bid:US $510.00

[SEAWOLF97]

was going after licorice pizzas today when I noticed the fancy binding posts of early L-series JBL's ...well, they were Altec 893B Coronas ....I applied all the available discounts ( vet , over 60 , grumpy , sunday..ec) and took them home for a reasonable price....gave 'em some program at home -didnt expect much as drivers are unimpressive looking- and Alrighty !!!! sound much better than they appear ...like a budget Altec version of L-26's :D

[SEAWOLF97]

and a really decent pair L-56....need foam/rubber natch, but cabs and grills and HF's all look great !!!! and all for under ...
they sure look like rubber, but I read they (L56) are foam, anyone know for sure ???

sold the L56's today to a repeat customer (he got my L-166s also) ...anyway I set them up on tilted stands and connected to the Denon receiver and they gave an outstanding performance...hadnt run them in a while and had forgotten how good they were .....if you ever find a pair at a good price,,dont hesitate to pull the trigger :applaud: recommended. :bouncy:

[midlife]

I really get a kick out of this thread. Its alot of fun. How many speakers have you gone through, and how many do you still have? :D

[SEAWOLF97]

I really get a kick out of this thread. Its alot of fun. How many speakers have you gone through, and how many do you still have? :D

Funny timing...I was thinking abt that question at like 3AM today.

Have prolly sold 30/40/50 pairs ...still abt 25 pairs being stored...20 total speakers up and active in the house right now.

I dont mind buying , restoring , getting some more experience with a brand and then moving them off to someone who will appreciate them also ...if I
make a couple of bux in the process, then so much the better ..:D

[midlife]

Funny timing...I was thinking abt that question at like 3AM today.

Have prolly sold 30/40/50 pairs ...still abt 25 pairs being stored...20 total speakers up and active in the house right now.

I dont mind buying , restoring , getting some more experience with a brand and then moving them off to someone who will appreciate them also ...if I
make a couple of bux in the process, then so much the better ..:D
Fantastic, keep us posted...:applaud:

[SEAWOLF97]

After a long dry spell..GW had some speakers today....not familiar with either model, but found some pics on the web....the first day out..the prices are high but they drop each day , so by Friday they may be OK

anyone know about either:

AR 98LS or
Infinity WTLC ??

[grumpy]

I recall seeing those, but not hearing 'em... this was the best source I was able to find at the time:

http://www.davidsaudio.com/html/infinity_.html

Would be interesting if they were functional. The AR's ... not so much
(in my personal eye)... that looks like teledyne-era stuff. Not terrible,
they just don't float my boat (have heard them or units very much like them).

The higher end "Magic" AR's were altogether different, but I hate to think of what
happened to all of that foam that was a major part of the design.

[SEAWOLF97]

I recall seeing those, but not hearing 'em... this was the best source I was able to find at the time:.

Thx Grumpy..

that link got me to a link to the WTLC owners manual...looking at them I didnt realize that there is a 2nd downfiring woofer....mebbe I'll give them a try if still there ..:)

[SEAWOLF97]

....mebbe I'll give them a try if still there ..:)

on the way back to the store ,I told the OL that the best thing for me wud be that someone already got them, but if there I'd buy them (just wasnt very impressed with the looks of the drivers) ...got back and they were gone...just didnt have storage room.

did get some small Advents , so I wudnt come home empty handed.

Funny part is that while i was looking at them, one of my eBay auctions finished -selling electronic turds- and that wud have paid for the speakers, and did a
2nd chance offer and a second turd sold for a dollar less.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280382170968&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT

[SEAWOLF97]

Not actually a speaker (but that hasnt stopped me from going OT in my own thread b4) ...headed out to pickup a power-on challenged GFA-555 (the price is right) ....read that they are 200 wpc...otherwise know nothing abt them.

Anybody have advise -good or bad about this model ?

[macaroonie]

http://stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/678/ They liked it !! ( in 1985 )

[SEAWOLF97]

http://stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/678/ They liked it !! ( in 1985 )

yes, they DID like it , thanx for the link Mac

"The Adcom GFA-555 was a powerhouse. Output at clipping was 231.7W into 8 ohms (23.6dBW), increasing to 331.9W into 4 ohms "

hope its not too much work to get it back up & productive.

[opimax]

I use 1 bridged on my b460 and a 2nd is upstairs on a set of 120TIs with a lower end velodyne. I find them a good value watts/$ w /adequate sound

Mark

[hjames]

yes, they DID like it , thanx for the link Mac

"The Adcom GFA-555 was a powerhouse. Output at clipping was 231.7W into 8 ohms (23.6dBW), increasing to 331.9W into 4 ohms "

hope its not too much work to get it back up & productive.
Interesting - apparently there are multiple versions of the GFA-555 floating around ... the original, and the GFA-555 MkII.

I see the for sale ads are in conflict tho, with verbiage like
"GFA-555 - the original 200w/ch design, not the cheap assembly line versions of the MkII made later lah de dah ..."
and
"GFA-555 MkII - the same conservatively rated 200w/ch power of the early model, redesigned with significantly reduced distortion blah blah woof woof..."

The Stereophile review says the later one has more fins and a fan that only runs when temps exceed thresholds ... it never mentioned early design or anything about a mass produced later design ... so the sellers comments could be so much foul vapours ...

[midlife]

Mr. Seawolf, One of these days I would like to go on safari with you. I am from New Orleans so if one of your deep jungle safaris has to deal with mosquitos I'm ready and I also have an interest in those elusive specimens you seem to be able to uncover.......:blink:.......all the best :D...

[SEAWOLF97]

Interesting - apparently there are multiple versions of the GFA-555 floating around ... the original, and the GFA-555 MkII.

I see the for sale ads are in conflict tho, with verbiage like
"GFA-555 - the original 200w/ch design, not the cheap assembly line versions of the MkII made later lah de dah ..."
and
"GFA-555 MkII - the same conservatively rated 200w/ch power of the early model, redesigned with significantly reduced distortion blah blah woof woof..."

The Stereophile review says the later one has more fins and a fan that only runs when temps exceed thresholds ... it never mentioned early design or anything about a mass produced later design ... so the sellers comments could be so much foul vapours ...

its the mk 1 ...great cosmetic condition....doesnt power up..switch feels OK, will take over to Doug on Monday ...the seller/giver had been using it and 1 day didnt turn on ...ran an ad .."Amp for gratis" , to someone who can appreciate.

Will prolly refoam his KEFs as a return gesture....

one of our premier members (Hi Mac) sent me the schematics, but Doug is cheap and fast and has the tools , so I dont mind putting a little into repair.

Stopped at GW and a fellow was looking at those AR98ls's mentioned a couple of posts up ..we got talking and looks like I lined up a refoam job...he bought them.


Originally Posted by midlife http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=261974#post261974)
Mr. Seawolf, One of these days I would like to go on safari with you. I am from New Orleans so if one of your deep jungle safaris has to deal with mosquitos I'm ready and I also have an interest in those elusive specimens you seem to be able to uncover.......:blink:.......all the best :D...

come on up ....

I bird dog deals for my friend in Oz. and he finishes the deals and has them shipped to Sydney ....can resell half a shipment and he keeps the other half for free ....just a little sweat equity

[SEAWOLF97]

Just finished up a pair of Infinity Studio Monitors SM100 ..(bot last week)

cheap cabs, cheap drivers , they glued the plastic beauty ring onto the basket, no batting etc..etc ....but they sound OK

cudn't figure out why the speakers were so heavy as they are light stamped out baskets...then it was obvious ...baffle was 1 3/4 in thick MDF :blink:

[opimax]

I am guessing since it is Tues you have already taken he amp in but if you haven't ...Checked all fuses? there are some inside too. the switch does go bad on these and many people just use the surge protector for on off. the one on the b460 is on 24x7 no hot cold hot cold etc issue for it and no switch wearing out. The one upstairs is on a surge protector and is rarely used

I had one repaired after I tried to be spiffy working with it on and the leads were caught kissing for a few seconds before they let out 1 gasp of smoke. 200 to repair a 300 amp :( but it was my fault and has been working constantly for a year or so

Mark

Have you tried any Dalquist speakers yet?

[SEAWOLF97]

I am guessing since it is Tues you have already taken he amp in but if you haven't ...Checked all fuses? there are some inside too. the switch does go bad on these and many people just use the surge protector for on off. the one on the b460 is on 24x7 no hot cold hot cold etc issue for it and no switch wearing out. The one upstairs is on a surge protector and is rarely used
Have you tried any Dalquist speakers yet?

well I'd been looking at the top of the Adcom and it looked like a combo of philips screws and rivets....so got out my trusty Harbor Freight security bit set and found one to open the top....4 fuses in there , one on each card....2 were blown , replaced them, turned off power switch and plugged in....power light is ON :D tho wont turn off in either position...will hook it up to cheap speakers tomorrow....PROGRESS :applaud:

(Doug -my tech- went camping with his family...imagine him abandoning me in my hour of tech need :barf:) he'll be back Wednesday.

I had 1 Dahlquest that got parted out...drivers were beautiful, cab very well made,,never got to hear it...but quality construction.:bouncy:

[SEAWOLF97]

the GFA -555 is on, but no output...so off to Doug it went

found this interesting tidbit on the web

[opimax]

did the fuses blow after install? i believe they are 7 amp?? anything look or smaell burned?

Did you check prices on the new retro amps, 1299 list, as cheap as 870 but also selling for list (or at least some stores are charging list). Seemaexpensive for what it is, competes w/5500 model, doesn't make sense to me. but in a few years someone will sell like it was original for cheap and hopefully you can make a safari there..

[SEAWOLF97]

did the fuses blow after install? i believe they are 7 amp?? anything look or smaell burned?.

fuses stayed good,,,250mv , no burn/smell ...Doug will let me know whats going on....have no current use for it , was just a deal, so had to grab it.

the fugly finities & surprising Advents :bouncy:

[opimax]

I find inifity stuff usuall sounds better than it looks or should.

Duanage was over last night playing w/my stuff(helping) brought back Dq3 woofers and I reinstalled, my fav bookshelf(limited back ground though).

Ran a an impedance test on my 250, found modified XO doesn't look right and I have a "hole" at 200hz. The beat set w/orginal XO tested good

more research...

could be a "customer" on the Adcom, lots of variables to over come, but at least "maybe"

[SEAWOLF97]

I find inifity stuff usuall sounds better than it looks or should.
could be a "customer" on the Adcom, lots of variables to over come, but at least "maybe"

I dont like working on finities...they are fussy, usually odd sizes,odd materials or odd assembly. ie: 2 inch screws holding the woofers in..beauty rings glued onto baskets, speaker leads that dont like to stay on..etc..etc....just little things that add up.

nice thing bout taking the Adcom to Doug..he does a 90 day warranty that IS transferable

I wud keep it, but have no place to use it...too much gear already.

[SEAWOLF97]

so I set out on the bike for Gresham (the 20 mile loop)..garage sales everywhere, I stop at the first......there is a beautiful condition Trek 730 Multitrack (Made in USA) bike...straight and clean...they want $25...I told em that if still there on the way home..I'd take it....went another half mile and started thinking "it wont be there later" ...turned around , found the sale again and asked them to hold it 20 minutes..came back in the truck and offered 23 ...Wow, they had to have a family meeting and big discussion to give me 2 bux off..
So I take it home, the phone rings...a guy who bought a bunch of foams last week...at that time he had asked me what speakers I like ...replied JBL, of course. he says "bought my first JBL's and I need foams", so he comes over and buys $22 worth of foams & caps ...now I'm only out a buck on the TRek.

So we go to his car to look at his new JBL.....L65a's ..beautiful condition with grills,glass tops, black felt stuff and even logos...he just picked them at a garage sale....on his first visit,,,he turned them DOWN for $25, went to the library and looked them up on the web, then went back and bought them for $15.

Feeling bummed at a novice grabbing a deal like that ..I took off on the bike...first GS I stopped at there were a pristine pair of AR4x's for $2, but it was half price hour...:D , so $1

Got to the thrift and someone had just dumped their vinyl collection ...in pristine condition, I got

Wednesday Morning 3AM S&G (have never seen their first album before)
In search of the Lost Chord - Moodies
M.U. The best of Tull
Stoney End - Ronstadt & Stone Ponies - rare
Steely Dans's GH - its different than my other copy.

[JBLRaiser]

Haven't had a chance to do much listening other than at the sellers house. Want to A/B them with the L100's using my Sansui 9090. Will post my thoughts as I have any.:D

[SEAWOLF97]

Haven't had a chance to do much listening other than at the sellers house. Want to A/B them with the L100's using my Sansui 9090. Will post my thoughts as I have any.:D

I found them to be better overall than the L1:):)'s ...YMMV

nice score ...price ?

[JBLRaiser]

$225

[SEAWOLF97]

$225

thats prolly fair if they are in good shape and RTG.

they are a real sleeper IMHO...better than L100's which usually go for more.

sold my 3 pairs for $400,375,375 (all needed refoam and TLC when purchased, but I only had 75 in all 3 pairs.)

[JBLRaiser]

thats prolly fair if they are in good shape and RTG.

they are a real sleeper IMHO...better than L100's which usually go for more.

sold my 3 pairs for $400,375,375 (all needed refoam and TLC when purchased, but I only had 75 in all 3.)

deals you find. I too, enjoy your escapades. Very informative and entertaining. It is something I could see myself doing, if only I had the time.

[Doc Mark]

Hey, JBLRaiser,

I agree with you, completely! This thread is always interesting, informative, and educational! And, like you, I love hearing of SeaWolf's successes at this never-ending journey!! Great stuff!! Please keep it up SW, and may it long continue! :applaud::applaud: Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc (who has your kind of luck, when I go out looking for backpacking stoves! Around 450+ of the little devils, to date, and still adding to my collection. Oldest one is from 1872, and it still works like a champ!)

[JBLRaiser]

My advantage is that I do have the time....retired 7 years ago - dont know why I waited so long ....

always enjoy watching the traffic cams on the morning news and remembering the days of 1h20m to do 24 mile commute to Intel.:barf:...I worked solid from 17 to 53 and that was enough. I knew the layoff was coming so pulled out some cash and paid the house off ( and Bimmer & truck) ....when most of the bills you have are utilities, taxes & food ..the stress level subsides. :bouncy:
Medical care is free the rest of my life and most of my income is tax exempt, (tho I'd trade it for a good ankle) so I get to play with toys that were only a dream most of my life..(but I'm still cheap - A "Penthouse Pauper" the OL says) -sorry, old CCR song-

So how do them Horizons sound ???

After reading enough from our esteemed members with them, I knew they would be an improvement on the L100's. Cranked them up and they are not as forward as the L100's, nor as boomy. Tighter bass. More accurate and pleasing. I don't have any real profound remarks, just your run of the mill audio dialect regurgitation. :D I'm taking in some Gary Jules' 'Trading Snakeoil for Wolftickets'. Nice.:)

[SEAWOLF97]

picked this up today....seem to be rather rare .. eBay likes them :D
the meter is for rotation speed and when the meter is ON, the strobe goes OFF...recommended to me by a forum member..who says he can hear the diff with strobe off...:blink:

[SEAWOLF97]

was sitting in a thrift store going thru records yesterday (yeah, there is a first time for everything) and the donation guy went past with a dolly of speakers & receiver.....he noted to me in passing...."aint these beautiful ?"

I got him to stop long enough to check it out... ordinary Sansui speakers and a gorgeous Marantz model 22 receiver with teak case....they wont price it or bring out till Monday...

Is it worth pursuing ?

[Fangio]

and scored twice – hope you don't mind Seawolf, maybe I'll start separate threads later. Got

- a pair empty Altec 879A cabinets with grilles/badges. No own pictures yet, but here are good ones

http://www.saturdayaudio.com/picturepages/altec_lansing_santana_879a.htm

were local pick up only, 10min away from me. Won the boxes in decent shape for 3,50 :blink: and the grilles with Altec badges in a second ad some minutes later for 22,50 ... indeed nice sized project speakers at 3.5 cubic feet / +100 liters ... will look around for ideas how to add ports, or for a suitable closed box driver

- and a pair 4310's, both w/ 123A-1, LE5-2, LE20-1. Also local to me, walnut cabinets need a bit refinishing ... have a pair grilles in vgc left from my 4312 project, perfect fit ... sound is expected to be „fake but fun” and ... at 200 euros I just couldn't resist. White woofers in the house again, and I mean white, both pre-owners were non-smokers.

Exactly what I need now that the longer winter nights come along. :rolleyes:

[SEAWOLF97]

and scored twice – hope you don't mind Seawolf, maybe I'll start separate threads later.

nice :applaud: ...no need for another thread, there is plenty of room here :blink: ('cides ...I have more going OUT the door than coming IN ..anymore)

[boputnam]

I found them to be better overall than the L1:):)'s ...YMMV:yes: :yes: :yes:

[SEAWOLF97]

:applaud: ..('cides ...I have more going OUT the door than coming IN ..anymore)

well, at least a little coming in......

gotta figure out how to pullout 033's ...now I have 2 dimpled drivers :o:
(and nowhere to store more speakers) :(

[Fred Sanford]

well, at least a little coming in......

gotta figure out how to pullout 033's ...now I have 2 dimpled drivers :o:
(and nowhere to store more speakers) :(

Nice grab. I need those woofs, or I have those spare tweets...I'd have gone for them if they were local for sure.

je

[SEAWOLF97]

Nice grab. I need those woofs, or I have those spare tweets...I'd have gone for them if they were local for sure.

je

they took a 46 mile RT , but the price was good and the weather was nice.

I'll trade you my woofs for your tweets.....Uh.hold on...wait a minute..that aint gonna solve my problem..

think I'll make 1 good pair (2 good hf's) and 1 bargain pair (2 dimpled tweets) ..since both pairs are 40a's ..everything shud be interchangeable.
(but..not identical...one grill frame set had foam mounted in a 3 side partial surround on the underside)

[SEAWOLF97]

I stopped at big blue yesterday and ran into a friend who spends 6 hrs/day there waiting on the rolling bins....he was telling me abt this find ....:p

it gots quite a motor there ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/KS-MUSICMASTER-Transcription-Turntable-ToneArm-w-Shure_W0QQitemZ160371678771QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVint age_Electronics_R2?hash=item2556e59e33

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-KS-MUSICMASTER-Transcription-Turntable-Japan_W0QQitemZ160371689350QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVint age_Electronics_R2?hash=item2556e5c786

[SEAWOLF97]

Guess I never finished up the Adcom GFA555 story...:o:

I had brought it back to life ...the external fuse was fine but 2 of the internal ones were blown - 1 per side (of 2 ) ....have since read that this is a fairly common problem.

Did not realize that power light staying ON, after the amp being turned OFF for a bit IS normal
Must have been drunk when I tested it ...came back from repair estimate with NPF ..:bouncy:

So.... I have 2 full systems in my LR ...2 sets of first line speakers, 3 turntables, 2 subs..etc...

The 250ti's have an amp switch box so that they can be used with either system...#1 is a BGW 750D #2 system is a Denon RDA-775 receiver (85wpc) ..the receiver just doesnt have the oomph to do the JBL's any justice....

Got the Adcom back and had an idea ...put it under the Denon receiver and jumpered it to be a preamp ....so I gain remote capabilities...didnt have high expectations as all it gives me is tone & balance & volume...

Had some "me time" today....and got to test it..:D

The Adcom is one that they hired Nelson Pass to consult on and is rated at 200wpc...to shorten the story..I ran the 250ti's today LOUD on the Adcom/Denon combination and it was very very good ! :bouncy: (Much much better than directly off the Denon)

the GFA 555 usually sells for abt $300 and if you have 250ti's and are looking for an amp for it....you should give it some consideration

[opimax]

Tom,

To do this coreectly try a bridged gfa-555 on each speaker...been there, done that, it is was LOUD! :) :)

[hjames]

Tom,

To do this correctly, try a bridged gfa-555 on each speaker...been there, done that, it is was LOUD! :) :)

But - didja LIKE it??
Did it sound Good to ya?

[opimax]

serious respomse, not sure the xo were hooked up phased properly at the time, just remember LOUD!


I suppose sopmeday I could do it again, a little more trouble than it sounds w/the 2 different style connectors I am using w/the Perrreaux, the 2nd amp is upstails now, etc

[hjames]

serious response, not sure the xo were hooked up phased properly at the time, just remember LOUD!

I suppose someday I could do it again, a little more trouble than it sounds w/the 2 different style connectors I am using w/the Perrreaux, the 2nd amp is upstairs now, etc

Ah, okay, keep thinking maybe the way to go is to use a pair of matched amps,
tied to my biamp setup, set up side to side, like Rolf recommended.

Instead of a big amp to run Bass and a lower powered amp for the hi split,
each amp would run bass on one channel, hi-split on the other - more headroom overall.

Maybe next year ...

[SEAWOLF97]

Tom,

To do this coreectly try a bridged gfa-555 on each speaker...been there, done that, it is was LOUD! :) :)

I had done some archive reading and a person (you ? ) had done that and didnt think it was worth the effort.....they get louder than I need on a single 555 right now.

[Doc Mark]

Evening, All,

I have what is probably a stupid question. I have always thought that amplifiers preferred to be bandwidth limited. "Back in the day", I was running bass on one side of my original Crown DC300, and the HF stuff from the other side. I was told, on a number of occasions, that this was not good for the amp, and that amps liked to either produce bass, or HF, but not both, one from each channel. Hummmm.... I know that amps can reproduce the full range of frequencies, but wonder if there is any problem with distortion levels when an amp is split between LF and HF? What say you, Folks? Thanks for educating me. Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

[opimax]

Who know what I did yesterday much less back then. :) at the time I hadn't bought these other amps and needed one for the sub???I don't remember..Still remmeber it being the loudest and bassiest of anyting I tried up to that point

when I got 2 identical amps and used a XO with passive bi amp capable I played with the which way to go on the bi amping. I think I may have heard a difference but it was so slight if I did.... I went with Rolf's thread and left 1 amp on each speaker instead of 1 amp for bass and 1 for the rest, I liked the logic of thread when I read it.

I must admit a lot of the nuances are wasted on me.

"I know what I like but I can't express it well. I can tell in just a few moments though if that is the sound I like" ...something like that :)

[grumpy]

Horse pucky (regarding Doc's concern)

The more shortcuts that were taken in the amp design, the more likely
there might be audible effects. A well designed and operating dual-channel
amp that is not over-driven should not have problems running separate audio
bands in each channel.

Would one have the same concern running four mono amps?
Is there end-user worry about the amps in a self-powered,
bi-amped monitor?

Shorter speaker cables are generally a good thing.

I suppose uneven tube "wear" in a power output stage is possible and
might be considered "bad" for the amp.

:blah:

[Doc Mark]

Hey, Grumpy,

Thanks for the clear and concise statement! "Horse pucky", just about says it all!! :rotfl::rotfl::thmbsup: Well, heck, you never know, unless you ask, right?! I had heard that so many years ago, and had actually forgotten it, until this current conversation on amplifier usage popped up. Thanks for laying to rest that, apparently, "Old Wives Tale", Grump!! :D Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

[SEAWOLF97]

Philips 312 electronic...the included M95ED may be worth more than the TT :D ....sounds OK, 100% manual.

[Doc Mark]

Morning, Seawolf,

We still use our Philips 312 TT, and with a Shure V15 Mark III, it sounds and works very well, indeed. Years ago, I gave a bit of thought to "updating" to a newer TT, but soon decided, why replace it when it works so well in our system?! Good find for you. I'm sure you can turn it and make a few bucks. Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc

[SEAWOLF97]

finally had the motivation to pull the 18 screws and see what was going on...blown fuse. I think mebbe a loose banana was the culprit. replaced fuse and pulled the bananas and wired straight to the posts..
thot I'd take a pic, in case anyone was nterested in whats in dere ..:blink:

each of the 4 cards has its own fuse...so the master/outside can be Okay, but still have problems with one of the internals

[hjames]

thot I'd take a pic, in case anyone was interested in whats in dere ..:blink:
Thanks, Seawolf!
There seems to be a huge variation in those early GFA-555 amps.
I recently got one like this with the built in rackmounts ears and wide square handles.
There is another style with round handles and built in rackmount ears,
and another with fins on the upper front face, no handles and no rack mount holes.

I know there was a GFA-555- II that was different, but its the early ones seem to have a range of styles.

[SEAWOLF97]

snagged this JBL...(cheap) ...sounds OK for 1 inch speakers :p (and now my son will wash the dishes, since he can listen to his tunes)

[Fred Sanford]

snagged this JBL...(cheap) ...sounds OK for 1 inch speakers :p (and now my son will wash the dishes, since he can listen to his tunes)

We've got that donut at our lake house...I keep wanting to hate it, but it does pretty well for its size.

je

[LRBacon]

finally had the motivation to pull the 18 screws and see what was going on...blown fuse. I think mebbe a loose banana was the culprit. replaced fuse and pulled the bananas and wired straight to the posts..
thot I'd take a pic, in case anyone was nterested in whats in dere ..:blink:

each of the 4 cards has its own fuse...so the master/outside can be Okay, but still have problems with one of the internals

I think fuses will just go due to age and heat. Here a year or so ago I had an internal fuse blow in my HK AVR-7200, the unit was completely dead. Pulled it out of the cabinet and took off the cover to check the fuses. I found the weak sister, replaced it and it has been working fine ever since.

The same thing happened to our HVAC system the first couple years we were in the new house. The repair man came out and found an open 5 amp fuse, replaced it and it has worked fine ever since. The outfit was going to charge me $90 for the service call. I have a Trane 10 year warranty on the system. I asked why it wasn't covered, they said it was an "act of God" or due to a power spike and they assumed it wasn't covered! They told me they hadn't even submitted it Trane, I told them to submit it, and let Trane make the call. I said the fuse failed and we don't have problems with the power spiking here, at least it is very rare. Trane covered it.

[SEAWOLF97]

So I went back to the flea market and picked up the Definitive Technology LCR 2300 ....with a MSRP of $649 , it must be OK ...all drivers work..cast baskets...etc ..that 8 inch top sub gives an idea of the speaker size....;)

Then decided to hit the thrift since it is a half price weekend....found a pair of L-26's with grills/badges ..needing refoam...no price so i asked an employee.....he carried one to the backroom and reappeared a moment later ...... $5/pr , but hold on ...half price time so $2.50/pr ... Did I want them ?

Walked around a bit (approx. 3ns) and decided to gamble on 'em...:D

LATER: put signal to them..all drivers work, binding posts good, all grill posts there, grills look great (washed them in the shower) and NO plant stains on top :applaud:

Oh yeah...the store employee told me they were only $5 because of the obvious woofer damage ;)

[boputnam]

So I went back to the ... thrift since it is a half price weekend....found a pair of L-26's (for) half price time so $2.50/pr ... Did I want them ?

Walked around a bit (approx. 3ns) and decided to gamble on 'em...:DDood! You're a genius! This will be some fun. Those tweets look gorgeous... :applaud:

Still, my favorite thread... :)

[SEAWOLF97]

Well, I'll park this post here for lack of better place.

Was rearranging the audio hubris to gain room to add more ... found a vnice cond NAD CD player ...put power to it...looked and ran fine , went to plug in some rca's to test it ......and only 1 would go in...????

looked at the back ...PO had broken off the center shaft of the rca plug in the jack - flush- blocking entry. I tried to grab it with tools, but not enuff exposed to get a hold ...tried prying around it -no joy- ...pulled the case top and looked to push it from the back ...good idea, but no access ....so it sat for a week while I contemplated the next move..

tried superglue ..it just didnt have enuff area to glue to :( ...got to wondering what is the stickyest stuff that I can use ??? then a light came on :idea: ......went in and grabbed the soldering iron and heated just a drop and placed right on the exposed brass and let cool.

Piece-O-Cake !!! grabbed the ball of solder and the whole post slid out so nice ...:applaud:

[LRBacon]

Well, I'll park this post here for lack of better place.

Was rearranging the audio hubris to gain room to add more ... found a vnice cond NAD CD player ...put power to it...looked and ran fine , went to plug in some rca's to test it ......and only 1 would go in...????

looked at the back ...PO had broken off the center shaft of the rca plug in the jack - flush- blocking entry. I tried to grab it with tools, but not enuff exposed to get a hold ...tried prying around it -no joy- ...pulled the case top and looked to push it from the back ...good idea, but no access ....so it sat for a week while I contemplated the next move..

tried superglue ..it just didnt have enuff area to glue to :( ...got to wondering what is the stickyest stuff that I can use ??? then a light came on :idea: ......went in and grabbed the soldering iron and heated just a drop and placed right on the exposed brass and let cool.

Piece-O-Cake !!! grabbed the ball of solder and the whole post slid out so nice ...:applaud:

Isn't wonderful when the light bulb comes on! ;)

So, Tom, this CD player was something you already had and had forgotten about?


Larry

[SEAWOLF97]

So, Tom, this CD player was something you already had and had forgotten about?
Larry

yup, just some CL fodder, that the prior owner had given up on..since he couldn't shove rca's in anymore....long forgotten in my stacks.
I'm not a NAD fan, so wud never actually use it.

[SEAWOLF97]

...found a pair of L-26's with grills/badges ..needing refoam...no price so i asked an employee.....he carried one to the backroom and reappeared a moment later ...... $5/pr , but hold on ...half price time so $2.50/pr ... Did I want them ?
LATER: put signal to them..all drivers work, binding posts good, all grill posts there, grills look great (washed them in the shower) and NO plant stains on top :applaud:
Oh yeah...the store employee told me they were only $5 because of the obvious woofer damage ;)

finished up the L26's (but the pic reminds me that I wanted to repaint the baffles) ....hooked them up and listened to "461 Ocean Blvd" remastered and extended...dont know if I got an especially good pair or what ...but they were fun & very musical , wonderful imaging-even sitting side by side....they and L166's are my favorite JBL consumer bookshelves....:applaud:(& L88's)

[BMWCCA]

...but they were fun & very musical , wonderful imaging-even sitting side by side....Reminds me I have a pair I paid $26 for off Ebay(!) that a friend picked up and brought to me from South Carolina. They've been sitting in storage ever since though the surrounds looked good and everything was working. Now you've got me excited to pull them out and return them to top shape.

So many speakers, so little time. I guess I need to retire! ;)

[SEAWOLF97]

Reminds me I have a pair I paid $26 for off Ebay(!) that a friend picked up and brought to me from South Carolina. They've been sitting in storage ever since though the surrounds looked good and everything was working. Now you've got me excited to pull them out and return them to top shape.

So many speakers, so little time. I guess I need to retire! ;)

I like them MUCH more than the L80T's (or L40's or L56's or L86's or L100's and esp. L36's) .... come on now, I followed your lead on L7's...now you gotta try the L26's...the bass wont compete with your big ones, but I'll bet they image better.

[BMWCCA]

.... come on now, I followed your lead on L7's...now you gotta try the L26's...I'd love to, but I actually went back to work after being jobless for six months and now I have no time. Of course in the snow I have time 'cause I can't work, but then I can't get to the storage building, either. Still have L150A and L112s waiting for re-surrounds, too. :banghead:

[hjames]

I like them MUCH more than the L80T's (or L40's or L56's or L86's or L100's and esp. L36's) .... come on now, I followed your lead on L7's...now you gotta try the L26's...the bass wont compete with your big ones, but I'll bet they image better.

Don't recall the L36s any more - kinda need a one to one test to be sure - but i have a pair of L26 I got last winter that needed surrounds - we've got them set up in the basement near the treadmill and my workbench - but i brought them upstairs into the living room when I demoed the 6230 and 6260 amps a few weeks back (didn't want to show off the big walnut to potential buyers). Those L26s impressed both the buyer and me - don't think I'd been hitting them with that kind of power before. I think they had a lot to do with his decision to buy BOTH amps!
But they're back in the basement now and the L200plus-3ways are back in place.

And I've been playing with a squeezebox Classic system in the living room, but I think I'll ship it back for the refund next week.

[BMWCCA]

...the bass wont compete with your big ones, but I'll bet they image better.Funny you should say that. Right now I'm listening to an odd recording; Marian McPartland's "Piano Jazz" radio-show recording of her interview—and playing—with Steely Dan. When Donald, Walter, and Marian are all talking there's a very distinct sound stage occupied by three people in three separate-but-together positions: Marian in the middle, Walter to the left of her, and Donald just to the right but all within about a five-foot-wide space. Eerie. That's with the big boxes nine-feet apart, toed-in slightly, and me sitting eight-and-a-half feet from each of them.

But as Greg said, "no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."

[SEAWOLF97]

Those L26s impressed both the buyer and me - don't think I'd been hitting them with that kind of power before.

I've got the L26's on my demo setup....a Denon receiver @90wpc ....they are very happy with that power...I've had 4 or 5 L26 sets over the years and liked every one...

On the PC playback...I have 2 desks butted together in an "L" ..very efficient to work at the oak roll top and then swivel 90 degrees to the big custom oak drafting desk with the 'puter....each desk has an L26 in the footwell, then 2 two way Sonances' (8 in. 2 ways) on ceiling mounts for image..they are run by a Technics receiver under the monitor ...it really does sound quite nice..

Above the roll top is shelves with all the HT components and MD deck running off to the L7's , a/d/s's, JBL sub...there is a turntable attached to each system (besides the 3 in the LR)
When just needing small sound from TV..its audio is handled by an Altec sat/sub system.

I need a bigger house , too many speakers and I hate to sell the good ones.;)

[SEAWOLF97]

got to digging around BR3 (aka:the speaker graveyard) and found this pair that have never been hooked to signal ...no name ....I think the drivers are SEAS ? sound great , prolly better than the similar L86's...anybody know what they are ?

[wd4090]

I believe those are made by "fanfare accoustics"

[SEAWOLF97]

I believe those are made by "fanfare accoustics"

found this thread and dont think they are fanfare accoustics
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28495

but it looks like the LF is SEAS
http://www.seas.no/images/stories/vintage/pdfdataheet/h0282_p21rex.pdf


had never noticed on the real thing...but saw in the label pix....faintly in
large letters "SEAS" :blink:

cant find anything on the MF