Wow, Look at the condition of this beauty

[scubadude]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300102997198&rd=1&rd=1

Talk about MINT!!! Too bad it's not a pair.

[boputnam]

Something about those drivers bugs me - don't look like factory E145 and 2118H to me... :dont-know

[OldBlindJim]

Something about those drivers bugs me - don't look like factory E145 and 2118H to me... :dont-know
I have a question into the seller. I use to sell these at Sound Stage and the E145 has a raised frame for the deeper cone. H*ll to build cabs for. The 2118H is ok to me, just faded.

OB Jim

[grumpy]

I don't see a problem. I can check some cabs when I get home, but I think the E145's
are recessed on this Cabaret box. -grumpy

[boputnam]

The 2118H is ok to me, just faded.OK.

I don't recall the E145 having a smooth, un-ribbed cone. But, I've not done much with many - except mic them... :p

[grumpy]

OK.

I don't recall the E145 having a smooth, un-ribbed cone. But, I've not done much with many - except mic them... :p

Ah, well, that they are :) -grumpy

http://www.lansingheritage.org/images/jbl/catalogs/1986_pro/b7.jpg

[edgewound]

Something about those drivers bugs me - don't look like factory E145 and 2118H to me... :dont-know

Yeah....too bad it's not a pair.

It's the real deal.

[richluvsound]

virtually audible. aint photoshop great !:applaud:

Rich

[OldBlindJim]

virtually audible. aint photoshop great !:applaud:

RichYou know I think you're right. Check the port and the lines around the speaks plus the sound board does not look real also Hmmmmm

[SMKSoundPro]

I always liked this 4628 box!!

Built a pair just like it, but did not use the E-145.

I'd love some for the club! Wait, Any 145's available from club members?

I have the other parts already!

Back to the Unisaw

Scott.

[edgewound]

You know I think you're right. Check the port and the lines around the speaks plus the sound board does not look real also Hmmmmm

You guys are too cynical...and you have to know what you're looking at.

The digital pics and his lighting shadows can be misleading....but look at the dust inside the port tube, and on the woofer surround.

This speaker looks like new short of the dust.

The 4628B has a splatter- paint job from the factory. The E145-8 and the 2404H-1 are recessed in the baffle.

There is a reserve in the auction that hasn't been met, and I bet he ain't giving this away.

[OldBlindJim]

The other pics look ok but the straight on view has that touched up look. Could have been from a glare or too dark issue. I'm still waiting for a rely on the components. Still, if the unit is complete and working, it would be a nice setup. The reserve meet be high.

obj

[sourceoneaudio]

Make a real nice center channel..............? :applaud: Make that one HELLUVA center channel speaker!



J/S-S1A :blink:

[grumpy]

yeah.... I'm sure it's crap... so no one bid on it ;)
(heh, heh, heh...)

-grumpy

[sourceoneaudio]

yeah.... I'm sure it's crap... so no one bid on it :barf:
(heh, heh, heh...)

-grumpy

It looks like crap I'll be lurking in the background on that one.

Don't let Toddalin see this one.........


J/S-S1A :blink:

[edgewound]

I'm still waiting for a rely on the components...
obj


If you sold these before, you should know your product.

These are indeed....correct....Trust me on this.;)

[boputnam]

It's the real deal.Thanks, edge! Good to know...

[edgewound]

Thanks, edge! Good to know...

Always glad to help, Bo;) :)

Well...most of the time:D:p

[boputnam]

Always glad to help, Bo;) :)Yea, well I've never held one, but have mic'd PLENTY through various grill cloths. Always dark and in a hurry...

[sourceoneaudio]

So, since these are called
http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/globalAssets/ltCurve.gif

JBL RARE CABARET SERIES 4628B 3 WAY 15" MINT CONDITION


Does that mean they were specially designed for TOPLESS bars???????? :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

J/S-S1A :nutz:

[grumpy]

if that's where you play keyboards... then yeah. :rolleyes:

[scubadude]

I put eight of this type of cabinet in a club in the early 90s. It was like this one but with the 18" woofs, can't remember the model off hand. Owner was willing to sacrifice teh efficiency of a horn loaded sys for quality. Quite nice on Macrotech 2400s, smooooootttthhhhhh. I'd love a clean pair of either, just because...

[Thom]

A new 145 has a shinier surround but dust and such probably takes the shine away. My 145 looks like that except that the surround shines like wet paint.

[OldBlindJim]

Seller's Quote.

"This is as good as it gets, all original never been touched.The
drivers have never been out, and I am the first to take the cover off
for inspection. The screws were virgin."

Nice
In our area there are still a lot of Cabarets and I use to have the a set of 4680 Line array.

OB Jim

[toddalin]

It looks like crap I'll be lurking in the background on that one.

Don't let Toddalin see this one.........


J/S-S1A :blink:

Seen it now! Doesn't interest me. ;)

To me the woofer looks like a 130A. Whatever it is, the rolled edge can't compete with the foam edge of the 2235 for bass response.

Make no mistake, in my application, the 130As produced a better vocal sound (especially for male voices) than the 2235s.

BUT, whenever the Yamaha ($4,500 RX-Z9) ran its auto equalization program, it always noted these to be "small" speakers (even in the L200 cabinets), even though it notes my CV 10" 3-way surrounds as "large" speakers. :blink:

BION, when I plug one of the ports on the L200 cabinet, even with the 2235s, the Yamaha thinks that the speaker is "smaller" than with both ports open!

[edgewound]

Seen it now! Doesn't interest me. ;)

To me the woofer looks like a 130A. Whatever it is, the rolled edge can't compete with the foam edge of the 2235 for bass response.

Make no mistake, in my application, the 130As produced a better vocal sound (especially for male voices) than the 2235s.



Ok....here we go, fellas...lets clear the current air a little, shall we?

The current iteration of the E145 has a cloth m-roll surround that is epoxy coated. The earlier version like Thom's has a one piece cone-surround that is darker and heavier which makes the surround treatment appear to be shinier.

It ain't an 130A...it'll kick a 130A's ass.

Get this part. The E145 is as close as one can get to the MUCH HIGHLY VALUED and venerable short coil deep gap 150-4 used in the Paragon. It is the driver that was used in the Everest I....JBL's "Statement" speaker system of the day. A 150-4H IS an E145-8.

It is truly one of the best, most efficient, and clean....due the motor topology....and versatile drivers JBL has ever produced. A Paragon reproduction would do quite well with a pair of these

Does it have the extension that a 2235H has? No.

But in a face to face duel, the E145 will flat out kill a 2235H in every category other than Fs.

JBL stopped making the E145 because the metal motor parts got too expensive to produce, and the Cabaret 46xx Series was discontinued, as well as my favorite legacy line that built the JBL house...the Musical Instrument series...D/K/E.

That legacy of drivers has done more for the early Hi-End and Pro Audio industry than any other line of speakers in history.

That legacy of drivers was THE BIRTH of HI-END AUDIO....period.

I get disgusted when people disrespect these drivers out of ignorance.

[John]

I always liked this 4628 box!!

Built a pair just like it, but did not use the E-145.

I'd love some for the club! Wait, Any 145's available from club members?

I have the other parts already!

Back to the Unisaw

Scott.

I have a pair of E-145's NOS with consecutive ser.#. in JBL boxes with all the paperwork.:wave:


If the price or trade was right, who knows???:hmm:

[sourceoneaudio]

Seen it now! Doesn't interest me. ;)

To me the woofer looks like a 130A. Whatever it is, the rolled edge can't compete with the foam edge of the 2235 for bass response.

Make no mistake, in my application, the 130As produced a better vocal sound (especially for male voices) than the 2235s.

BUT, whenever the Yamaha ($4,500 RX-Z9) ran its auto equalization program, it always noted these to be "small" speakers (even in the L200 cabinets), even though it notes my CV 10" 3-way surrounds as "large" speakers. :blink:

BION, when I plug one of the ports on the L200 cabinet, even with the 2235s, the Yamaha thinks that the speaker is "smaller" than with both ports open!

I would bypass the auto tune with the mic and set it manual. You will not have those issues.

J/S-S1A :D

[sourceoneaudio]

Ok....here we go, fellas...lets clear the current air a little, shall we?

The current iteration of the E145 has a cloth m-roll surround that is epoxy coated. The earlier version like Thom's has a one piece cone-surround that is darker and heavier which makes the surround treatment appear to be shinier.

It ain't an 130A...it'll kick a 130A's ass.

Get this part. The E145 is as close as one can get to the MUCH HIGHLY VALUED and venerable short coil deep gap 150-4 used in the Paragon. It is the driver that was used in the Everest I....JBL's "Statement" speaker system of the day. A 150-4H IS an E145-8.

It is truly one of the best, most efficient, and clean....due the motor topology....and versatile drivers JBL has ever produced. A Paragon reproduction would do quite well with a pair of these

Does it have the extension that a 2235H has? No.

But in a face to face duel, the E145 will flat out kill a 2235H in every category other than Fs.

JBL stopped making the E145 because the metal motor parts got too expensive to produce, and the Cabaret 46xx Series was discontinued, as well as my favorite legacy line that built the JBL house...the Musical Instrument series...D/K/E.

That legacy of drivers has done more for the early Hi-End and Pro Audio industry than any other line of speakers in history.

That legacy of drivers was THE BIRTH of HI-END AUDIO....period.

I get disgusted when people disrespect these drivers out of ignorance.

Thank you for the quality information. I like it, and I still think it would make one helluva a center channel array. It is the perfect chance to buy it for a use like that since it is a single. I think it would be quite incredible used as a center. :rockon2: Great low end reinforcement from the middle.....!

J/S-S1A :D

[toddalin]

Ok....here we go, fellas...lets clear the current air a little, shall we?

The current iteration of the E145 has a cloth m-roll surround that is epoxy coated. The earlier version like Thom's has a one piece cone-surround that is darker and heavier which makes the surround treatment appear to be shinier.

It ain't an 130A...it'll kick a 130A's ass.

Get this part. The E145 is as close as one can get to the MUCH HIGHLY VALUED and venerable short coil deep gap 150-4 used in the Paragon. It is the driver that was used in the Everest I....JBL's "Statement" speaker system of the day. A 150-4H IS an E145-8.

It is truly one of the best, most efficient, and clean....due the motor topology....and versatile drivers JBL has ever produced. A Paragon reproduction would do quite well with a pair of these

Does it have the extension that a 2235H has? No.

But in a face to face duel, the E145 will flat out kill a 2235H in every category other than Fs.

JBL stopped making the E145 because the metal motor parts got too expensive to produce, and the Cabaret 46xx Series was discontinued, as well as my favorite legacy line that built the JBL house...the Musical Instrument series...D/K/E.

That legacy of drivers has done more for the early Hi-End and Pro Audio industry than any other line of speakers in history.

That legacy of drivers was THE BIRTH of HI-END AUDIO....period.

I get disgusted when people disrespect these drivers out of ignorance.

Nobody is disrespecting the speaker. I only noted that the 2235's go lower. I imagine that like the 130A, this woofer would provide a better vocal than the 2235 when used out to 800-1K Hz.

[toddalin]

I would bypass the auto tune with the mic and set it manual. You will not have those issues.

J/S-S1A :D

Well of course we bypass the auto feature and tell the Yamaha that these are "large."

But that doesn't change the fact that with the preponderance of lower midrange and lack of really deep bass relative to the midrange levels, these speakers are still "small."

[edgewound]

Well of course we bypass the auto feature and tell the Yamaha that these are "large."

But that doesn't change the fact that with the preponderance of lower midrange and lack of really deep bass relative to the midrange levels, these speakers are still "small."

Aren't these the ones that are reconed with the wrong recone kit? 130A with C8R2235?

Not to fight with you Todd...your syntax just seemed a little trite....sorry.

Sounds like you should sell them and take up Bart on his offer.

5.1 with 5 X L300

[toddalin]

Aren't these the ones that are reconed with the wrong recone kit? 130A with C8R2235?

Not to fight with you Todd...your syntax just seemed a little trite....sorry.

Sounds like you should sell them and take up Bart on his offer.

5.1 with 5 X L300

No, these were the true, original cone 130As that sold last week. But the D130s reconed as 130As also did it. Those are the ones that you are referring to as having the wrong cones and are now happily serving duty in a surf band guitar player's stack.

The 2235s in there now are actually 2205s reconed as 2235s, and this is a legitimate swap. Also the magnets were just recharged.

They are read as "large" when the crossover is properly adjusted (especially important on the center channel). But, with both ports open on the L200 cabinets, the Yamaha notes them as "large" regardless of how the crossovers are adjusted.

My Cerwin Vega 10" 3-way surrounds always read as "large." It's not that the 130As don't put out as much bass as my CV 10" front and rear surrounds..., its the relative level of low bass to upper bass/lower midrange that determines the speaker's size. The 130As have a lot of upper bass/lower midrange relative to their low bass so the Yamaha reports them as "small."

Eq can compensate, and I used to run analog Yamaha 31-band eqs with the last Yamaha (DSP-A1). But I found the noise induced by the eqs objectionable, even when attenuated by over 10 dBA.

But the Z9 includes digital 31-band eqs on all channels except the subs that get five bands of eq. These add no noise. Unforetunately, and to my chagrin, the 31-band digital eqs do not extend into the lower bass range (as does the sub's eq), so it doesn't automatically compensate for low bass. I really didn't want to put the analog eqs back in the system, so decided to go the 2235 route knowing that I would give up some of the male vocals. I actually lost more of the vocals than I thought/hoped I would which is why I built the "keeper" crossovers. They helped, but not entirely. Life is a compromise.

As to Bart's L300s, I IM'ed him but have not heard back. :dont-know

[grumpy]

Some folks can't spend all day here. Bart's a good guy... I'm sure he'll get back to you
when he can.

-grumpy