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matsj
02-19-2007, 02:06 PM
I have found a pair Le 1400h but i canīt find any info about it. Can someone help me.

mats

subwoof
02-19-2007, 02:55 PM
I am unfamiliar with that part number.

I have 1400PRO ( Nd mag, ribbed surround ) and Nd1400 and Nd1401 which are the foam edged versions along with 2217H ( ferrite mag, ribbed surround ).

And also some consumer LE14A and LE14H-1

Maybe this is a ferrite mag, new frame version with foam surround that is in one of the japanese models??

Send a picture!

sub

matsj
02-19-2007, 10:05 PM
I am at work now, can i email the pictures to someone ?

mats

matsj
02-20-2007, 12:05 AM
pictures

Zilch
02-20-2007, 12:20 AM
That certainly looks like an LE14H-3 frame, and an Aquaplas'd cone. The foam surrounds tell me you're good to go with those, most probably. Measuring with Woofer Tester 2 would get you the T/S parameters, but just determining the Fs alone with a signal generator, resistor, and multimeter would be useful.

herve M
02-20-2007, 02:37 AM
What is written under the cone ? C8R le1400 ?
It's home (or studio ) version of 2217H ?

matsj
02-20-2007, 02:41 AM
I donīt know , i have to ask the seller about that.

mats

Earl K
02-20-2007, 03:05 AM
- That's a ME150H magnetic assembly grafted onto a 2217H basket . Buy em!
- They'll be a higher resolution woofer than a le14H-3 .
- They'll also have the compromises inherent of the deeper gapped type drivers .
- Put them into 3.5 cu ft boxes tuned to 32 hz / as a start .

:)

dino
02-20-2007, 05:39 AM
hello. the only info I found http://www.diysubwoofers.org/talkshop/messages/17116.htm

dino
02-20-2007, 05:46 AM
I have A pair of L250. but the woofers are missing, maybe I have a better chance getting my hand on some le1400h It is hard as hell to get a pair of le14h-1 or le14h-3 . thanks for the info on Le1400h more info http://www.jblpro.com/pages/tour/array.htm

dino
02-20-2007, 06:41 AM
fs 28.5 / ots 0.22 / qms 7.39 / qes 0.23 / vas 171.3 / re 4.7 / le 4.1 / sd 670 / bl 20.3 / mms 112.9

sourceoneaudio
02-20-2007, 06:43 AM
That is not an LE14H-1 or -3. here is a side view of a LE14H-1 for future reference.

J/S-S1A :D

Titanium Dome
02-20-2007, 06:55 AM
The casting looks the same as an LE14H-3.

sourceoneaudio
02-20-2007, 06:59 AM
T-Dome,
So the LE14H-3 has the extra bracing cast into it also? I was under the impression the basket was the same toooooooooo? Thank you for the correction.

J/S-S1A :o:

dino
02-20-2007, 09:30 AM
I spoke with jbl parts and the le1400 goes for a little over 700.00 each, ouch!

Zilch
02-20-2007, 09:53 AM
I have A pair of L250. but the woofers are missing, maybe I have a better chance getting my hand on some le1400h It is hard as hell to get a pair of le14h-1 or le14h-3 . thanks for the info on Le1400h more info http://www.jblpro.com/pages/tour/array.htmArray Series is 1400PRO woofer, a different one entirely:

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Array%20Series/4890A.pdf

That one's detailed by Techbot here:

http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11349

matsj
02-20-2007, 10:45 AM
One pair bought :D and iīm waiting on a price for the second pair :bouncy: .
Thanks to everyone for info and help.

mats

Guido
02-20-2007, 10:55 AM
I spoke with jbl parts and the le1400 goes for a little over 700.00 each, ouch!

And they go into what speaker?

matsj
02-20-2007, 11:06 AM
Guido you got mail. I whrote wrong in my mail to you itīs not a me150 cone. Iīm stupid :) .

mats

Guido
02-21-2007, 03:41 AM
Iīm stupid :) .mats

Sure you are not!

All this basket - magnet combinations can drive one crazy :barf:

Could you please post that pic with open voice coil gap here at the forum?

dino
02-21-2007, 05:20 AM
the 2217 goes into the 4893 array series subs. I dont know what the le-1400 go into

matsj
02-21-2007, 05:26 AM
This one Guido ?

mats

matsj
02-21-2007, 08:18 AM
Second pair bought :) so i hope itīs right version of them now. I hope iīll get them next week.

mats

Zilch
02-21-2007, 10:33 AM
This one Guido ?Stunning!!

matsj
02-21-2007, 10:48 AM
Maybe one more pair for sale, byt these need a new foam. i will get som pictures tomorrow.

Dino: Le 1400h where for jbl Ti 7000, but jbl in Denmark never build them and no one else either. So i think the factory sold them to their emploied in Denmark and they put some into the European Le250Ti. Iīm not shure but that was what i was told about them.

mats

Guido
02-21-2007, 02:49 PM
This one Guido ?mats

Yes, thanks. Just for reference.

We need to get the T/S Parameters measured.

Earl K
02-21-2007, 04:50 PM
One pair bought and iīm waiting on a price for the second pair .

Second pair bought so i hope itīs right version of them now. I hope iīll get them next week.


- Good Purchase(s) Mats ! These will be very nice drivers for DIY projects.
- They'll take some effort to really maximize their potential / but I feel you'll really enjoy the extra resolution built into this gap topology .

:)

dino
02-21-2007, 05:17 PM
matsj . thanks for the input:D

matsj
02-23-2007, 08:47 AM
No problem Dino.

The third pair is a Le 14-1 and they need new foam on both. Itīs a Lansing member selling them. They were from a pair Le 250ti.

I donīt know yet how big diffrence there is on these elements ?

I have to meassure the T/S before i can say anything.

mats

animal53
02-23-2007, 10:17 AM
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matsj
02-26-2007, 05:43 AM
Iīm not happy :biting: . One of the seller have change his mind and have sold them to another buyer. And i think i know who he is :banghead: . He is a LH member.

mats

matsj
02-26-2007, 05:55 AM
Iīm so Pi..ed off :( .

mats

Earl K
02-26-2007, 06:12 AM
Hi Mats


Iīm not happy . One of the seller have change his mind and have sold them to another buyer. And i think i know who he is . He is a LH member.

That's really too bad ( especially if they were scooped up by someone here at LHF / BTW; it wasn't me ).

Hopefully your other purchase ( for a pair of le1400H woofs ) is secure .


:)

Titanium Dome
02-26-2007, 06:19 AM
Do you think this member used the info here to contact the seller and take away your purchase?

matsj
02-26-2007, 06:20 AM
Yes but i needed 4. Now i donīt know what i shall do :( . I will buy the other pair ( a friend is picking them up in this week ) and i think i will offer them to a another LH member. I have 2 interested.

Thatīs what you get when you open your mouth. In the future i wonīt say a thing.

mats

Titanium Dome
02-26-2007, 06:27 AM
Thatīs what you get when you open your mouth. In the future i wonīt say a thing.

mats

When I want something or am about to close a deal, I usually won't write anything here. A very few unscrupulous people will use the information to steal what you worked to get. Sometimes they will brag about how they got an ebay seller to end early or talked someone into a cheap price to beat out someone else.

I dislike this. But the seller is equally at fault for breaking an agreement and showing a lack of integrity. If I know who these sellers are, I will not buy from them.

matsj
02-26-2007, 06:27 AM
TD: The member have asked Questionīs here about them and his ad was out for 2 days. My seller liked his ad more an got more money for them.
I was going to pay what the seller want`s. It wasnīt me who set the price.

mats

Earl K
02-26-2007, 06:55 AM
Mats

I know right now your down about the loss of this purchase / & you think your glass is half empty / but really from my POV ( point of view ), it's half full . So;;;

- Hold tightly onto the two that you are getting and use them as your main Left Right speakers.
- If I remember correctly you wanted 4 so that you could use two as surrounds or maybe it was one as a centre for HT.
- Either way you may still come into another pair of le1400H ( because of your location ) / or / maybe you'll soon have a chance at a pair of le14h ( from a parted out L220 ).
- The le14h is a short coil le14h-1 and is slightly more efficient ( though the higher avarage Z in its' impedance curve makes it appear about the same ) .
- Realistically, you don't need all the extra coil depth inherent in the le14h-1 or 3 since you're going to be using these speakers with some of your 6, 18" subwoofers ( 2245h, 2242H or 2243H )

- As to the blighter that scooped them / he'll eventually surface needing info on how to deal with these unique woofs / then ,,,, :o: ;) :p

Robh3606
02-26-2007, 07:10 AM
As to the blighter that scooped them / he'll eventually surface needing info on how to deal with these unique woofs / then ,,,, :o: ;) :p

He's going to need the T/S as it's a unique driver and the published specs for the 14 A H -3 won't work. Sooner of latter he will have to ask. Shame your deal got screwed up. I am with T Dome I won't say a word until the deal is done. Same thing when Giskard said there were 093Ti's available and someone purchased the whole lot from JBL and screwed all others down the road if they needed a driver replaced. People suck.

Rob:banghead:

matsj
02-26-2007, 07:41 AM
I have spoken with the buyer and he didnīt know that it was the same speakers .So i take it back what i said before.
My seller contacted him and didnīt said he allready have maked me a deal . He got more money now.

I just feel sorry because it was me who took this speakers up and everybody want these now.

mats

Earl K
02-26-2007, 08:08 AM
I have spoken with the buyer and he didnīt know that it was the same speakers .So i take it back what i said before.
My seller contacted him and didnīt said he allready have maked me a deal . He got more money now.

- At this point, the honorable thing for the other buyer would be for him to stand down and give you the "first right of refusal" in matching the higher purchase price that is now demanded by the seller.
- IMO; The seller should have gone this route in the first place. The seller should have given you first crack at buying at a higher price if he wasn't happy with the initial arrangements you two had made .


I just feel sorry because it was me who took this speakers up and everybody want these now.

- That online posting of a current replacement price ( 700 USD was it from euroHarman ? ) certainly wasn't the best thing to happen for your deal / though over here we know that these high euroHarman values usually translate roughly, into a net US value of low $ 400(s) USD . ( If obtainable from Harman US )

- A highly inflated replacement cost unfortunately makes people think that they should obtain this woofer ( at all costs ) if only because of its' highish value.

- That ( inflated sense of ) value unfortunately doesn't address the fact that this type of woofer ( with it's unique LF voicing ) is the wrong sort for those people who are used to the sound of JBLs' legacy products such as the le14h-1 ( or for that matter, any of the 7 mm gapped woofers of yesterday ).
- ie; the le1400H is "not a slam-dunk better woofer" for use in L250 or 250Ti systems .
- In fact, it's ( 1400H ) unique voicing will likely effectively rob those 250 style systems of their "sense of VLF ( bass ) extension". Then there'll be tears all round ( except for the seller ). :blink: :banghead:



:)

matsj
02-26-2007, 08:10 AM
Earlk: I was hoping to make a new 5.4 HT with these drivers 2435hpl+ horn + Le1400h+ 18" ( 4x2245, 2x2243, 2x 2242 ).

mats

matsj
02-26-2007, 08:21 AM
I wasnīt going to pay so much for them. I just hope the seller contact me and we can continue our deal. For the firsth price.

mats

Earl K
02-26-2007, 08:39 AM
I wasnīt going to pay so much for them. I just hope the seller contact me and we can continue our deal. For the firsth price.

- This approach of waiting for the seller to rethink his "deal making savy", seems unlikely to produce a happy outcome for you.


:)

Guido
02-26-2007, 01:15 PM
Wasn't me :no:

Sorry for that. But there are other nice speakers. Get some LE14H-3 from the states or LE14H-1 over here.

herve M
04-11-2007, 05:24 AM
:bs: Help, wanted pair 14' LE14h(-1 or 3 ) or 1400 .

(I would to build DMS1 style. I have two 2217h basket+motor, and 2235h pair. Can I to build LE14 with 2235h motor in 2217 chassis ?):o:

Hervé

Earl K
04-11-2007, 08:54 AM
(I would to build DMS1 style. I have two 2217h basket+motor, and 2235h pair. Can I to build LE14 with 2235h motor in 2217 chassis ?)

(A) DMS1
- Why bother with the DMS1 ? It's a failure as far as being a viable MTM design ( this is acknowledged by those inside JBL and reported here sometime ago ).

- IMO, It needs a 800 hz ( or less ) crossover point to work properly and its' small waveguide horn won't come anywhere close to supporting that frequency ( or so I'm told since I don't have one here ) .

(B) Creating a le14h-1 from a 2217/2235 marriage of assembly parts ?
- Don't know ! I doubt it due to the 2 woofers being designed about 15 years apart.
- But even if the dimensions work out / buying le14-1 recones is going to kill the affordability of such an idea .
- ( I believe you'd have better luck marrying a 2217h basket onto a 2227H magnetic assembly. This appears to be the genesis of the 1400H. Measure the bolt hole patterns on your basket case 2217s and then compare to a 2227 in need of a recone )
- It'll be cheaper to just buy original le14h-3(s) or eBay some type 1(s) .



:)

herve M
04-11-2007, 11:43 AM
My actual test with single a 2235h + 2332/2430h with the DSC280 /DMS1 preset, the result is very conclusive and higher than 4430/4343. I thought of the 2235 in 2217, because 2235 motor seems identical to the LE14H

:)hervé

herve M
04-15-2007, 05:11 AM
2217magnetic assembly = 2226

ok, however, LE14H-3 magnetic assembly = ??? other woofer ?? what model ?
the 1,25 Tesla is current..

Earl K
04-16-2007, 08:57 AM
2217magnetic assembly = 2226

ok, however, LE14H-3 magnetic assembly = ??? other woofer ?? what model ?
the 1,25 Tesla is current..

- The magnetic assembly for the LE14H-3 appears to my eyes to be from the 2225H.

- But as I keep saying, building the LE14H-3 from scavenged parts is not going to be an economical approach to fulfilling your quest for a 80s' style woofer .
- Have you priced out recone kits ?

:)