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MJC
02-04-2007, 02:36 PM
I looked on H/K web site and found the manuals for the Citation 19 power amp and the 17 pre-amp. I saw on the last page 5/77. I'm getting these two units to run my CC L212s.
The only time I can remember seeing Citation gear in Nevada was in the mid~late 90's, in Reno. Although I may have seen some in the shop where I bought my original L212s, in '79.
I know H/K was a subidiary of Jervis, during part of the time Citation gear was available.

4313B
02-04-2007, 07:56 PM
citation 16 1976-1977
citation 16a 1978-1979
citation 16as 1978-1979
citation 17 1977-1979
citation 17s 1978-1979
citation 18 1978-1979
citation 19 1978-1979

Seems wrong but I can't remember for sure.

Ken Pachkowsky
02-04-2007, 08:18 PM
I was going to say I purchased one of these new from Advance Radio and TV (Winnipeg) in 1976. They were very heavy and had useless long chrome rack handles. The problem was you could not get your fingers around the skinny handles because the clearance from the face plate was minimal. The led's were kinda fun in a dark room.

However, it was a great sounding amp. :D

I used it to drive the 2202's, 2440's, and 2405's on my 4350A's. Phase Linear 700B's on the bottoms...

Ken

Rolf
02-05-2007, 07:37 AM
citation 16 1976-1977
citation 16a 1978-1979
citation 16as 1978-1979
citation 17 1977-1979
citation 17s 1978-1979
citation 18 1978-1979
citation 19 1978-1979

Seems wrong but I can't remember for sure.

I remember being on a hi-fi show in Oslo in 75. They used the 16 at that point.

kingjames
02-05-2007, 01:40 PM
citation 16 1976-1977
citation 16a 1978-1979
citation 16as 1978-1979
citation 17 1977-1979
citation 17s 1978-1979
citation 18 1978-1979
citation 19 1978-1979

Seems wrong but I can't remember for sure.

you were super close.

Here are the years from my Orion Blue Book

citation 16 1976-1979
citation 16a 1978-1979
citation 16as 1978-1979
citation 17 1977-1979
citation 17s 1975-1979
citation 18 1977-1979
citation 19 1977-1979

MJC
02-05-2007, 06:30 PM
I just got a notice today that the Citation Nineteen amp got shipped today. So now I'm just waiting for the Citation Eleven pre-amp to ship.
When they both get here I will finally have an amp system worthy of my mirror imaged, Charge-Coupled L212s.

Fangio
02-06-2007, 06:43 AM
John - congratulations, nice to see another member banking on these H/K amps from the 70s, to drive larger JBLs. I'm currently using a black 17/16A combination in my rig with very good results, and like their design - a form of 'vintage studio look' with these brushed rack bezels and chrome handles.

Crossing fingers yours arrive safely, I was lucky to get mine both locally. I don't think they have to fear the comparison to many of those modern 'less is more' preamp/amp combos, rather the contrary ;) - and would be interested to hear how they turn out for you, once they are set up.

4313B
02-06-2007, 06:46 AM
I just got a notice today that the Citation Nineteen amp got shipped today.Cool!
Bypass the coupling caps with polystyrenes.

MJC
02-06-2007, 07:09 AM
Cool!
Bypass the coupling caps with polystyrenes.
Assuming I can find any, what size would I want to use?
I never did get around to adding the .0056uf polystyrene capacitors for the 066 in the L212s I built.

4313B
02-06-2007, 07:26 AM
I want to say that I used 0.1 uF. It was a long time ago.
Check Michael Percy to see what he has left.

Thom
02-06-2007, 09:05 AM
In their day this line stirred lots of controversy. They attempted to place themselves alongside Mac and such and some accepted this and others scorned it. Actually there was controversy around the HK stuff as a whole. I have no position as to whether they deserved the praise, or the other salutations. Just for some reason they seemed to be one of those cup of tea things. Lots of people either loved them or hated them. Just threw that in there as it is historically correct. Perhaps everything that isn't boring middle of the road has some of that. I know JBL sure was a Love it or hate it in HiFi circles but that I do have what I believe is an informed opinion about.

4313B
02-06-2007, 09:08 AM
They attempted to place themselves alongside Mac and such and some accepted this and others scorned it.I thought the Mac's did look better though.

Fangio
02-06-2007, 11:07 AM
I thought the Mac's did look better though.
Thats the reason why comparable mcintosh units still command TEN times the money on the used market - its all about faceplates. And I believe thats why almost all owners refrain from modding them - they have to hold their value in original state.

Oh well I did not have (to have) that kind of repressions. ;)

Thom
02-06-2007, 11:29 AM
I guess if I had stopped for a minute I would have realized that this wasn't news.

4313B
02-06-2007, 02:24 PM
Thats the reason why comparable mcintosh units still command TEN times the money on the used market - its all about faceplates. And I believe thats why almost all owners refrain from modding them - they have to hold their value in original state.Absolutely.

The Citation 19 needed a bit of help on the top end, hence the bypass caps. It was a decent amp. It was just a suggestion, nobody is going to die if one doesn't bypass the coupling caps. Usually what happens in these scenarios is someone will compare normal with bypassed and chose one over the other and the world keeps right on turning either way.

MJC
02-06-2007, 02:56 PM
I thought the Mac's did look better though.
I think the Citation 11 Pre-amp looks quite good. Still waiting for the seller to send it off.

4313B
02-06-2007, 03:00 PM
Yeah.

Nelson Pass did some mods on some of those Citation models if I remember correctly. Maybe it was earlier than the Citation 11.

grumpy
02-06-2007, 06:47 PM
(early 80's?) Audio Amateur Citation 12 mod article (power amp) is probably still on passdiy.com somewhere. -grumpy

MJC
02-08-2007, 09:21 PM
I fired up the Citation 19 today, with my Panasonic dvd player, listened to the Million Dollar Quartet cd and Norah Jones sacd via the cd track.
That amp puts out a sweet sound, even for cds. Used my old Marantz digital receiver as the pre-amp.
So with an analog pre-amp it should be even better.
Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for the Citation 11 pre-amp, so I can't connect the turntable yet.

hjames
02-11-2007, 07:36 AM
So where does that put the Citation 22 that I am running my "new" sub with -
the manual on the Harman site is dated 1987 ...
its rated stereo: 200w/ch to 8ohm - bridged: 400w at 8 ohm

(It doesn't run hot at all, but I have it siting on small woodblocks just to allow improved airflow - I figured it can't hurt!)

Fangio
02-11-2007, 09:02 AM
(early 80's?) Audio Amateur Citation 12 mod article (power amp) is probably still on passdiy.com somewhere. -grumpy

http://passdiy.com/gallery/hkc12-p1.htm

Very interesting to read - thanks grumpy.

MJC
02-21-2007, 05:55 PM
As I've said in an earlier post the only time I can remember seeing Citations in Nevada was in the '90's, a HT setup. And it seems as though most of the Ctiation gear was made in the '70's and early '80's.
But at what time was the Citation line stopped? And did that happen at the same time that Harman acquired Mark Levinson and Lexicon?

Titanium Dome
02-21-2007, 07:52 PM
The HK Citation 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, and 7.4 line was produced around 1996, and the 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, and 5.4 were produced around 1998.

MJC
02-26-2007, 10:37 AM
Ya, it was in '96~'99 a local (Reno)HT shop had a "Citation Room". They also had a Meridian Room and two lower quality rooms. They went out of business 2~3 years ago.

But now its seems, that H/K brand name is only producing receivers, these days. Long gone are the pre-amps, power amps. They are doing small media and car systems.

Titanium Dome
02-26-2007, 06:35 PM
The Harman Kardon Signature Series was the last to go, I think. It was like an entry level Citation line. I believe the 1.5, 2.0, and 2.1 were manufactured until 2000 or 2001.

Within the past couple of years, I've seen Harman Signature Series refurbs on ebay once or twice.

http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?cat=PPT&ser=&prod=SIG2.0&sType=H

Mcmankind06
03-01-2007, 09:32 PM
Hope your Citation Nineteen amp would arrive safely. I'm actually thinking of buying one for a friend, but I need to compare prices first.

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MJC
03-02-2007, 06:38 AM
The 19 did get here safely, I got it for $325, plus shipping. I don't know what they went for new, 30 years ago.


Hope your Citation Nineteen amp would arrive safely. I'm actually thinking of buying one for a friend, but I need to compare prices first.

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