*NOS* McIntosh Tweeters - Alnico Drive, $30/pr (Replaces Peerless)

[ARRAY]

????????? CAN A CONE TWEETER SUFFICE FOR HI-FI REPRODUCTION ????????

........................YOU BET THEY CAN!!!.........................


Up for sale are a pair of new Matsushita Tweeters as replacements for the Peerless MT-225 2.25" cone tweeter used in McIntosh loudspeaker models ML-1C, Ml-2C, ML-2M, ML-4C, ML-4M and ML-10C. Made in Japan, and are an improvement over the original Peerless.

The Peerless MT-225 was the alnico drive predecessor to the 801730. Their excellent reputation is well earned.

These were also used in all the collectible SONAB models, including various Electro-Voice, Dynaco, Rectilinear & many others.

They are simply a *SUPERB* tweeter any way you slice them. Exceptionally smooth sounding, with an equally exceptional impedance curve (7.6ohms @ 2500hz) with response extending fully to 20khz. 8 Ohm impedance.

Mounting cutouts are spaced 42mm apart on centre for adjacents and 60mm on centre diametrically. The elongated cutouts are useful for matching up to existing baffle holes (note one of the pictures which shows the Matsushita overlayed on top of the Peerless).
They are a flexible install: meaning, more than one pair can be ganged per loudspeaker increasing output & dispersion, and their physical size allows very close acoustical centre placement to one another.

Another bonus of these tweeters is each has a die-cut, pre-attached airseal.

However, don't take my word for it. The fellows at Madisound had this to say:

"This tweeter removes all doubts about using a cone tweeter in hi-fi systems. The impedance curve is nearly linear and it is therefore very easy to make crossovers for this speaker. An absolutely excellent tweeter for use in smaller hi-fi systems especially as a tweeter in satellites."

I have a few pair, so if you need them for replacements or for a project this is only place you'll be able to get these as N.O.S.

I can't budge on the price, which is fair at US$28/pr. Postage should be very economical.

If you check the link at the provided URL you'll see on average what singles of the Peerless go for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260076422228&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/2600764

[SEAWOLF97]

Gosh, I ws mistaken, they are not really mitsuibishi, more like panasonic actually. even better yet.

I took an identical set out of some Technics towers that I paid $1 for.

[ARRAY]

I took an identical set out of some Technics towers that I paid $1 for.

Exactly! Me too. Locate an old Technics T- series loudspeaker from the 1970's and you may find this tweeter in there. However, these tweeters are new and it saves having to go to 4 or 500 garage sales in the hopes of finding an old set of Technics. Matsushita is the parent company of Panasonic / Technics, and the largest consumer electronics manufacturer in the World. It just follows they'll use their own components in their product if it makes economic sense. The Japanese have a knack for being able to improve upon something and they did just that with this tweeter (with respect to the popular Peerless). The Peerless equivalent got rave reviews, so what is the first thing the Japanese are going to do?

Somone could have paid you $100 to take those Technics away, or as you say you got them for $1, it really doesn't matter - they are still an excellent tweeter. They are most certainly worth more than $1. From another perspective, someone may find a nice pair of JBL L100 at a yard sale for $10 - while some may say that is all they're worth, most others know otherwise.

[GordonW]

If you check the link at the provided URL you'll see on average what singles of the Peerless go for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260076422228&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/2600764


It's ridiculous that people pay that much for Peerless KO/MT225s, when you can get them (ORIGINAL NOS McIntosh PRODUCT, NOT a substitute) from Roger Russell, for $10 each.

Roger's easy to reach... www.roger-russell.com . Email him there; his address is right there on his page...

IMHO... having heard both in person, the original Peerless still sounds better to me than the Panasonic. YMMV, but that's been my experience, over the years.

Regards,
Gordon.

[ARRAY]

Those tweeters and ones like them are common closeouts at Parts Express and other emporiums.

They are nothing special!!!:banghead:

Ron

Hi Ron, do you own a pair of the tweeters I have for sale? In order to know what is and isn't "special" some knowledge of driver mechanics and design is important. Are you extensively qualified in this regard? Being afraid of the unknown is human nature I suppose. Even if you are qualified, an objective scientific A/B comparison approach would have to be taken - have you done this? I'd like to see the results.

I am not forcing anyone to buy anything, but I will defend what I know for certain to be true. Dumping on these tweeters presents an unwarranted mud-dragging of my reputation, something I will also defend. I don't go around dumping on other peoples' product on Heritage or hijacking their threads. This is akin to a man walking up to a perfect stranger on the street and insulting him for no reason.

If these exact same tweeters can be bought from Parts Express or another emporium for less: go for it! If in fact so, let me know will you?

-Chris in WPG

[ARRAY]

It's ridiculous that people pay that much for Peerless KO/MT225s, when you can get them (ORIGINAL NOS McIntosh PRODUCT, NOT a substitute) from Roger Russell, for $10 each.

Roger's easy to reach... www.roger-russell.com . Email him there; his address is right there on his page...

IMHO... having heard both in person, the original Peerless still sounds better to me than the Panasonic. YMMV, but that's been my experience, over the years.

Regards,
Gordon.

Hi Gordon, it isn't up to you or I to determine what is a ridiculous price on an item. We probably can agree that $1200 for a mint pair of AR3a is high, but then again who are we to say. I know I'd never pay that much for that loudspeaker in a month of Sundays. In fact I would not want to own a pair.

I have heard the Peerless tweeter too, and I prefer the Matsus. My engineer and I built an isobarik bookshelf system using them and they sound fantastic. There is nothing wrong with the Peerless, however the Matsus will have better transients and a slight edge on dispersion (it has a slightly smaller cone). If Russell is selling Peerless tweeters for $20/pair, and someone wants a Peerless for originality, then I say we should all refer people there. I would suggest if the Peerless are yielding $30+ ea then Russell might want to capitalize some of his stock at auction.

-Chris in WPG

[Mr. Widget]

array...this is a JBL dedicated forum
please go push your wares somewhere else...I doubt anyone here will be interestedThis thread is in the General Audio Marketplace and is absolutely appropriate... I am not endorsing these tweeters, and you may prefer a JBL tweeter or you may find these not priced to your liking, but the poster has every right to offer them here.

Gordon, thanks for the info... some might find that useful.


Widget

[GordonW]

Hi Gordon, it isn't up to you or I to determine what is a ridiculous price on an item. We probably can agree that $1200 for a mint pair of AR3a is high, but then again who are we to say. I know I'd never pay that much for that loudspeaker in a month of Sundays. In fact I would not want to own a pair.



It is simple logic... if vendor 'a' (say, Ebay) is offering a product at one price, and vendor 'b' (in this case, Roger Russell) is offering the same (probably better, as you KNOW it's NOS from him, there's no need to trust what some Ebay seller says about it) product for less... isn't it illogical to buy from the vendor at the higher price?

Yes, if EVERY sale of an item is in a certain small range, and that price is all that's available for that product, then that DOES determine the "market price" of the product. However, as long as at least one vendor offers the same product at less cost, and in sufficient volume (AFAIK, Roger has BOXES and BOXES of these things) to meet presumed market demand... then by basic economic theory, the LOWER price should be the true market price...

Regards,
Gordon.

[ARRAY]

It is simple logic... if vendor 'a' (say, Ebay) is offering a product at one price, and vendor 'b' (in this case, Roger Russell) is offering the same (probably better, as you KNOW it's NOS from him, there's no need to trust what some Ebay seller says about it) product for less... isn't it illogical to buy from the vendor at the higher price?

Yes, if EVERY sale of an item is in a certain small range, and that price is all that's available for that product, then that DOES determine the "market price" of the product. However, as long as at least one vendor offers the same product at less cost, and in sufficient volume (AFAIK, Roger has BOXES and BOXES of these things) to meet presumed market demand... then by basic economic theory, the LOWER price should be the true market price...

Regards,
Gordon.

I can't speak for Roger Russell or the fellow who sells a Peerless tweeter at auction. What I do know is that used Peerless pairs close for more than what I am asking for mine. This information I have obtained via observation over the last year or so from real world transactions. What I'm also reasonably certain of is Roger Russell does not have boxes and boxes of NOS Matsus, just like I don't have boxes and boxes of Peerless.

I can appreciate logic, but I am also pragmatic. I've already sold pairs of the Matsus without issue & for the asking price. I'll sell more too - after all, they're a good product. When all is said and done both parties are happy. To me that's good business.
Even though I am the only source for these worldwide (to my knowledge), I would never consider selling them for $40/pr, for example. I feel that would be too much for this tweeter. However, simply put, in a head to head comparison I'll take the Matsus over the Peerless. I hardly think $4 more (over your friend Roger's Peerless pairs) each for a superior tweeter is unfair. You may like the Peerless better but that is your choice.

-Chris in WPG.

[Mcmankind06]

Images are deceiving, buit those tweeters look reliable.

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[WifesPissed]

Do you guys commonly sabotage people trying to sell stuff with unsolicited suggestions that undermine the seller's thread? :blah:

[hjames]

Do you guys commonly sabotage people trying to sell stuff with unsolicited suggestions that undermine the seller's thread? :blah:

I dunno - whatcha got to sell ;)



But seriously - I don't what this flamefest was all about -
I just assumed some of the folks involved had a personal history with the seller?

[Don C]

Do you guys commonly sabotage people trying to sell stuff with unsolicited suggestions that undermine the seller's thread? :blah:
Normally, we wouldn't. But if someone only posts here when he has something to sell, and if that item is a cheapo Panasonic tweeter, and he's keyword spamming them as McIntosh tweeters, well we might say something.

[Zilch]

Do you guys commonly sabotage people trying to sell stuff with unsolicited suggestions that undermine the seller's thread? :blah:Comes with the territory.

Folks here know stuff, and aren't above sharing.... :yes:

[Tom Brennan]

I figure there's a difference between selling personally and selling as a business on a forum like this. You know, if somebody wants some speakers he's used to go to a good home, that's one thing but selling impersonal stuff for profit, that's a different story.

But it's not my website or for me to decide. But I'd hate for this site to get infected with parasites like the Klipsch site is.

[ARRAY]

Do you guys commonly sabotage people trying to sell stuff with unsolicited suggestions that undermine the seller's thread? :blah:

What an excellent question, and I thank you for bringing that point up. You should have seen the thread, to that affect, before it got cleaned up by the mod.

[ARRAY]

Normally, we wouldn't. But if someone only posts here when he has something to sell, and if that item is a cheapo Panasonic tweeter, and he's keyword spamming them as McIntosh tweeters, well we might say something.

Don, have we done business before?

[ARRAY]

Comes with the territory.

Folks here know stuff, and aren't above sharing.... :yes:

I am seeing that! I think in this instance it's a reverse form of spam, considering it isn't constructive.

Folks here may know stuff on certain things and I think that's great, I just wish they knew what they were talking about in terms of the items for sale in this thread beforehand.

[Don C]

Don, have we done business before?
I don't think so.