Real 2121H ??

[Guido]

Are these 2121H ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2369682134&category=47094

Thanks for your input!

[Robh3606]

I was looking at it too. I would say no to the cone. Dust cap should be inverted and I think the surround is wrong.


Rob:)

[Mr. Widget]

No debate....

They have been reconed with something else. Probably a generic kit as I don't think there is a JBL 10" kit with an accordion surround. The 2012 uses a cloth single roll surround as do the K and E 110 kits.

[boputnam]

Agree with Rob and Widget, for sure. But I was thinking it would easily recone with the proper kit, but then there's something about those bonding posts that is not right.

Did JBL ever use a binding post like that? It looks like there are slots the terminals slide into, away from the cone (toward the edge of the frame). And not on a major truss? Isn't this odd for this vintage basket? :confused:

Hanky-panky or just my ignorance...?

[4313B]

"Did JBL ever use a binding post like that? It looks like there are slots the terminals slide into, away from the cone (toward the edge of the frame). And not on a major truss? Isn't this odd for this vintage basket?"

What do the LE10H's I just sent you look like Bo?

Guido - I'd be inclined to snag the baskets and then recone them with 2121 or 2122 kits :)

[boputnam]

Originally posted by Giskard
[i]What do the LE10H's I just sent you look like Bo? :hmm: I think this is a "gimme", but it could be a trick... :banghead:

There's nothing so vast as (my) ignorance... :rotfl: I'm gonna check them baskets when I get home, for sure! :yes: They weren't in free air so much as 2 minutes before they were re-united with their 4313B cabinets...

Where ya been, anyway? Anything fun?

[4313B]

Just hanging out, nothing real fun. I'm contemplating rebuilding that beat up L212 system I picked up about a year ago. I've got two side panels and two subs and was thinking about stuffing the whole mess into two enclosures instead of going with the Performance Series look...

I think the LE10H's I sent you had the posts mounted on the cast tab instead of on one of the major legs. I think I also replaced the "Consumer" posts with the "Pro" posts.

[boputnam]

Originally posted by Giskard
I've got two side panels and two subs and was thinking about stuffing the whole mess into two enclosures instead of going with the Performance Series look... That's a cool idea. Just don't show Don - then he'll want one, and we know what trouble that brings... :eek:

[Tom Loizeaux]

Since the surround is wrong and the dust cap was mounted incorrectly to be a 2121, then how do we know what else isn't correct? Are the cone kits for the 2121 still available?

Tom

[boputnam]

Originally posted by Tom Loizeaux
Since the surround is wrong and the dust cap was mounted incorrectly to be a 2121, then how do we know what else isn't correct? Are the cone kits for the 2121 still available? Well, everything that was in the WRONG recone kit - cone, dust cap, spider, voice coil and surround.

As to availabilty of the C8R2121, check with JBL Pro: 818-894-8850 Ask for our buddies Dave or Karla (sp?). Tell 'em howdy :wave: and Happy New Year! :band:

[4313B]

Both the 2121 and 2122 kits show as still being available and in stock. As for what else might be wrong with the baskets, who can say. They look like typical non-standard recones to me, I wouldn't think the baskets are necessarily bad. I would treat them like cores with fancy foilcals, and limit the purchase price accordingly.

[GordonW]

Looks to me like a generic replacement kit, supposed to be a 2123. That was the only JBL 10" that used an accordion surround, IIRC.

Whoever did the reconing job, I'll say this, it's FAR from the worst reconing job I've seen. Not a bad glue job. However, the guy already said ONE of them is dead- to me, that means the other one is probably suspect as well (subject to the same usage, in all likelyhood). I'd just agree with Giskard, and assume the other one isn't usable, that you'll just need to rip out both kits and start over with new recones...

Hey, one thought- speaking of basket damage- one advantage these have, is since they're ceramic magnets (which are pretty much impervious to heat, as far as magnetic strength is concerned), there's much less likelyhood that the magnet is weak (from discharging due to the heat of blowing a driver kit) like an alnico basket might be. Much less likelyhood the magnet needs recharging...

Regards,
Gordon.

[Guido]

This is what I got from him.
Suspicious, no word that one is dead. We should take care!

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Oki no problem. But the spaker i'm selling is a pair of used JBL 2121H. and i never changed the cones but the inside part i have changed one time. if you may have any questions please contact me. thanks for your fast e-mail reply. take care.
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[andresohc]

I have a second chance bid offer on these and can pick them up for $123. Having read this thread it seems these would be for baskets, are they worth that much, what would the kits cost to recone correctly, are there any contacts here on the forum that I could get these kits from (Orange County speaker will sell me the foam but not the recone kits). I have a lot of projects going allready and dont need to jump into another complicated mess. Oh crap, I gave up negativity for the new year. That didnt last long.

[John Nebel]

A couple of months ago reconing 2121s at JBL Pro Service cost about $220 each or $250 including a remag which you probably would not need for an "H". The cone kits were $194 each.

John Nebel

[andresohc]

I got these speakers a couple of days ago. For shipping the seller took the speakers, threw them in a thin walled box with some peanuts (not tied together, not mounted on anything) I never saw a quarter inch thick frame bent and broken before (that was the "working" one), the one that might not be working has welded coils and the spider had been on fire. No response from my email from this guy yet. I am 0 for 3 on my last three JBL ebay purchases, recieved a pair of 4722As last week, no crossovers, both 2417s fried, crease on one 2206h cone (need to be reconed) $700 of repairs for a $440 purchase but listed as "working great". Got a pair of 4612As for the 2204Hs yesterday, UPS managed to pop one of the babycheeks straight through the mounting screws breaking most of the corners off. I bring this stuff to Orange County Speaker to have them evaluate/fix them. They are starting to laugh before I get out of the car at this point. Slow start to my 2245H /2206H /2342horn 2417Hdriver/2404H Studio monitor. Now I have to figure out a new way to crossover this beast (was going to supplement the 4722 crossover with a N7000 and biamp the 2245H, I am open to suggestions, (I could always quad amp it, I have enough amps and Rane crossovers but geez). Tomorrow I get to go out and find out if any of the components in the 4612As work, maybe this one will have crossovers in it, one can hope. Maybe I will just assemble my L112 project and listen to music instead.

[Guido]

Argh!:biting:

This is #*?!

He was keen on selling these items to me after the auction has ended.
I was smelling that this guy don't play fair.
What did you pay? 130 Bucks I think.

It's a shame how people act on ebay. These guys will tear the whole system down one day. Seems to be that US ebay is more far in this process. German ebay is still trustable. Who knows how long.... :confused:

[boputnam]

Hey, "andresohc"...

Who the hell are you buying from? What are the feedback reports and how many transactions have the seller(s) been involved-in?

I only ask, because if I was to scatterplot my eBay results (as both buyer and seller) there'd be a very high R-squared (correlation coefficient) for "successful deal vs seller/buyer rating".

I'm dismayed you've had such bad luck, with such a great project plan... :(

[4313B]

I'm thinking pretty much anything off eBay should be treated as if it were a core, unless perhaps you know the seller or can bank on their reputation. The current Harman JBL MSRP on a brand new JBL 2122H is $262.98 and the recone kit is $211.60*. I just use those numbers to figure out what I would pay for a core which works out to $51.38. They all work out to be roughly between $20 and $80 depending on the size of the transducer.

Again, unless you know the seller or can bank on their reputation you might want to approach eBay sales with extreme cynicism.

* $194 from JBL Pro just like John posted. Best practice is to always check both JBL Pro and Harman Service.

"Oh crap, I gave up negativity for the new year. That didn't last long."

:rotfl: Oh well, at least you gave it a shot :p

[Mr. Widget]

andresohc and Guido,

It is a crap shoot, but you can improve your odds if you start an e-mail conversation with the seller before the end of the auction. You can usually, but not always tell if the seller will be honest and dependable during the interchange. On more than one occasion I have sent several messages to the seller with no response. I then send a message that states I will not bid unless he contacts me. This usually works. If they don't respond or I get the feeling they can't be trusted, I walk away.

I always ask that the drivers be individually packed and woofers be bolted to plywood. They don't always quite get it, but if you are insistent, they will usually comply.

[andresohc]

I have couple of hundred of all positive feedback transactions on ebay, review all the negative feedbacks before bidding, and review many of the positives to read between the line, I email these guys and in the case of the 2121h person I had concerns as well but figured core value close to his second chance offer. Unfortunately the core is useless to. These other two seemed pretty cool. I only started getting JBL pro stuff on ebay recently, bidding on my third purchase before recieving the first. I agree with Giskard , I have clearly learned my lesson. Another expensive lesson today, brought the 2206 and 2417 in today to be reconed, $468 (this gentlelman was nice enough to refund half purchase price), but the cabarets I bought had five of six speakers fried (separate from the shipping damage, OCS checked them and they all buzz badly), only one negative on this guy, 135 positives. Clearly no way to know. I have screwed up myself once sending out a pair of Altec Biflexs with one having a buzz at 100 hz only (didnt hear it when I checked) but refunded the half the purchase price of the two speakers. After I initially had some attitude I re-evaled the situation as to how I would feel and asked the guy what he needed to make it right and gave him it with an apology. My project will just be more of an uphill battle is all. I will post on the Technical forum when I study it enough to get some intelligent questions. Thanks for the feedback.

[Audiobeer]

Originally posted by Giskard
Just hanging out, nothing real fun. I'm contemplating rebuilding that beat up L212 system I picked up about a year ago. I've got two side panels and two subs and was thinking about stuffing the whole mess into two enclosures instead of going with the Performance Series look...

I think the LE10H's I sent you had the posts mounted on the cast tab instead of on one of the major legs. I think I also replaced the "Consumer" posts with the "Pro" posts.

Here's a pic of a LE10H Post's I have.

[4313B]

Steel spring-loaded posts (Consumer) on purpose-cast flange.

[Audiobeer]

Story of my Life Baby! :bomb:

[4313B]

:rotfl:

Is that a bad thing Audiobeer?

[Audiobeer]

I will never ever buy drivers on Ebay unless they are in fact NOS or I know the buyer. My record is terrible as a buyer. I paid $80 for a 2121H with a dented dust cap. Packed it away for 2 years. Decided I had no need for it and sold it on Ebay. I never tested it and when the buyer tested it He immediatly let Me no what a piece of shit it is! I refunded him via paypal + shipping and told him to keep it within 15 minutes of the email. I let Him know what an ass I felt like. Bottom line is I hate buying on Ebay. Feedback is everything there.....you at least have a chance if the feedback rating is high. I just got another Marantz amp I thought I had to have. Seller guaranteed it to be working perfectly. It arrived packed to survive anything. The output is fried....static eh? This is a reputable seller telling Me to go through UPS for insurance. I'm timing the feedback down to the last possible second to give him his rightful due. I will do it at the last possible moment so He can't come back with retaliation feedback. I have found the Ebay I used to know now just plain sucks!

[4313B]

Ah! I thought you were saying something was wrong with your binding posts.

[boputnam]

Originally posted by Giskard
Steel spring-loaded posts (Consumer) on purpose-cast flange. Ah, and a proper reconer would have gone to the Pro posts. This I know... :yes: