the ultimate mid-high box?

[DJ Vincenzo]

i want to build the best sounding mid/high box that can take the abuse of a outdoor event or club.....for about 500 person size shows. Money is no object for these as I think they are the heart of a system....the lows can be average....all bass sounds the same to me .
Am I correct to think that I should try to acquire the top of the line compression driver and mid in the vertec 4889 (2435hpl and the 2250H)? It is the best box and most expensive in the Jbl line...15 grand retail i think. I know it will be difficult to get these as u have to be a vertec owner to receive replacements and JBL has NOT put any specs on purpose i suspect to deter any crazy enthusiasts from designing their own cab's with the best they have to offer.


Thar berrylilium driver must sound beautiful...mabye with a nice vacuum tube macintosh amp (if the amp could take sum abuse).

[Zilch]

Other ideas here:

http://www.jblpro.com/ae/am6200_95.html

[DJ Vincenzo]

Other ideas here:

http://www.jblpro.com/ae/am6200_95.html


This was my close second choice...but that high is the one used in the Im guessing second best in the vertec series.
I am very intrigued by that new beryllium driver in the next step up.

It also seems that the freq past 10000 hertz gets a lil hairy...


http://www.jblpro.com/srx700/PDF/JBL.SRX712M.pdf

also mods is this the right forum...i was hoping the pros could help me design and locate the drivers. Thanks.

[DJ Vincenzo]

anyone know where i can get these mids and highs in the vertec 4889? and the smallest 1.5 inch horn?

[Zilch]

http://www.jblpro.com/vertec1/new_vertec/pdf/VT4889.pdf

Do you believe for a moment that you can buy JBL's "best" drivers and the smallest available 1.5" horn, mount them in a box, and have it work worth a crap?

And you don't care about the bass, because it all sounds the same to you?

Methinks you need professional help, DJ dude.... :banghead:

Have you tried ordering the drivers from JBL Pro parts?

What dispersion pattern do you want from the horn?

[DJ Vincenzo]

http://www.jblpro.com/vertec1/new_vertec/pdf/VT4889.pdf

Do you believe for a moment that you can buy JBL's "best" drivers and the smallest available 1.5" horn, mount them in a box, and have it work worth a crap?

And you don't care about the bass, because it all sounds the same to you?

Methinks you need professional help, DJ dude.... :banghead:

Have you tried ordering the drivers from JBL Pro parts?

What dispersion pattern do you want from the horn?


yikes!

dispersion will be for up close events.....clubs that are 50 x 100 feet deep max....more often 30-60 feet.

I understand that u have to be a vertec owner to buy drivers...is this true?

by the bass comment i simply meant that the 8- 2226's and srx728 double sub i have now will suffice without having to buy those expensive LF drivers in the vertec line...although i think the 18's are the same. I just think that the clarity in the mid-highs are the heart of a system.....i guess i want it to sound as good as a high end home/cinema system.

This project will take a lot of work and planning but i think im up for it. This will prob be the 20th enclosure ive built.

[Zilch]

I understand that u have to be a vertec owner to buy drivers...is this true?I don't know about the cone midrange, but I've bought 243x compression drivers direct.

Have you TRIED ordering the drivers from JBL Pro Parts or a JBL Pro dealer?


Dispersion will be for up close events.....clubs that are 50 x 100 feet deep max....more often 30-60 feet..How many mid/high boxes will you use? Where? Will a 60° horizontal pattern work for you, toed inward? 90°? Draw it out to scale. 60° is an equilateral triangle. Stage? Dance floor?


yikes!These are engineered systems. You're starting from scratch....

[DJ Vincenzo]

I don't know about the cone midrange, but I've bought 243x compression drivers direct.

Have you TRIED ordering the drivers from JBL Pro Parts or a JBL Pro dealer?

How many mid/high boxes will you use? Where? Will a 60° horizontal pattern work for you, toed inward? 90°? Draw it out to scale. 60° is an equilateral triangle. Stage? Dance floor?



90 will work. most of the time thier will be a stage. I will call my b stock jbl guy in ebay monday..i think ive located sum 2435s....how much will the mids go for each? do i need a horn 4 the mid?

and ill be just needing 2 boxes. Thanks

[mikebake]

90 will work. most of the time thier will be a stage. I will call my b stock jbl guy in ebay monday..i think ive located sum 2435s....how much will the mids go for each? do i need a horn 4 the mid?

and ill be just needing 2 boxes. Thanks
Just take advantage of these, a huge bargain, and very nice. For your app, these will rock with your subs. Set your crossover correctly, and as a DJ , you'll own the venue. Get 4 of them, is my thought, and splay as directed. PM me if you want more insight. Send me a check later. Bang for the buck? No comparison.
http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=127

[DJ Vincenzo]

according to this list the mid is 499 retail so i guess it 400...thats a great price.

would the same double horn for the am6200 work for these 2 drivers?
http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Horn%20List/Horn%20Parts%20List.pdf

[DJ Vincenzo]

Just take advantage of these, a huge bargain, and very nice. For your app, these will rock with your subs. Set your crossover correctly, and as a DJ , you'll own the venue. Get 4 of them, is my thought, and splay as directed. PM me if you want more insight. Send me a check later. Bang for the buck? No comparison.
http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=127

ouch...MY BACK!....iv lugged those suckers about 50 times....my friend owns them...it says 100 pounds but there so akward to grab.

[mikebake]

ouch...MY BACK!....iv lugged those suckers about 50 times....my friend owns them...it says 100 pounds but there so akward to grab.

Reeaaalyy! Well, spring for the big bucks units then, with neo drivers. They're great, but most DJ's don't have the business income to pay off a big dog touring mid/hi box. Have at it!
http://www.jblpro.com/srx700/index.htm

or
http://www.jblpro.com/installedsound/vpseries/index.html

[Zilch]

More to it than just the horn:

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/AE%20Series/AM6200,95-WH.pdf

[mikebake]

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/AE%20Series/AM6200,95-WH.pdf
Now why are you showing him that?

[Zilch]

Now why are you showing him that?'Cause he asked if that double horn would work. There's more to it, is what....

[DJ Vincenzo]

Reeaaalyy! Well, spring for the big bucks units then, with neo drivers. They're great, but most DJ's don't have the business income to pay off a big dog touring mid/hi box. Have at it!
http://www.jblpro.com/srx700/index.htm

or
http://www.jblpro.com/installedsound/vpseries/index.html


do the neo drivers sound better or are they just lighter...i always wondered that.

[DJ Vincenzo]

More to it than just the horn:

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/AE%20Series/AM6200,95-WH.pdf

so it seems that the CMCD is the 2250 H mid.

[johnaec]

Bang for the buck? No comparison.
http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=127I agree!!! That's about half the price of the components alone!!!

John

[DJ Vincenzo]

I agree!!! That's about half the price of the components alone!!!

John i wish they sold that as a pair. Would LOVE sum 2012's with that horn. I have 2020's now and dont like them.

[johnaec]

i wish they sold that as a pair. Would LOVE sum 2012's with that horn. I have 2020's now and dont like them.Did you check to see if they have two? They don't appear to list quantities at the site...

John

[DJ Vincenzo]

yea i tried to list 2 in shopping cart box and it said "item doesnt exist in that quantity"...:( Thats prob why its so cheap.

[johnaec]

yea i tried to list 2 in shopping cart box and it said "item doesnt exist in that quantity"...:( Thats prob why its so cheap.Bummer!

John

[mikebake]

i wish they sold that as a pair. Would LOVE sum 2012's with that horn. I have 2020's now and dont like them.

VS2210's are now in the tent sale

[DJ Vincenzo]

VS2210's are now in the tent sale



yea i tried to list 2 in shopping cart box and it said "item doesnt exist in that quantity"...:( Thats prob why its so cheap.

..

[mikebake]

No, they had the black ones on there, not that lone white one, and now they are gone...?

[mikebake]

No, wait, still there.......

VS2210-9 http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/images/no_picture1.JPG (http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=227) 10" 2 WAY 90D HORNDWG 121-00077 (http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=227) $758.00 http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/includes/languages/english/images/buttons/button_buy_now.gif (http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/index.php?cPath=23&sort=3a&action=buy_now&products_id=227) VS2210-9L http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/images/no_picture1.JPG (http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=228) 10" 2 WAY 90D HORNDWG 121-00077 WITH SL DIAPHRAM (http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=228) $850.37 http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/includes/languages/english/images/buttons/button_buy_now.gif (http://www.jblpro.com/commerce/tent_sale/catalog/index.php?cPath=23&sort=3a&action=buy_now&products_id=228)

[DJ Vincenzo]

i wonder why they are 2-300 more than the white one?

[mikebake]

i wonder why they are 2-300 more than the white one?
Because you want them...........

[DJ Vincenzo]

lol.


Can someone tell a novice what does the phase plug does in the am 6200? n Are those horizontal slits for the mids just like in the Vertec 4889?

[Zilch]

http://www.jblpro.com/ae/pdf/CMCD%20TechNote.pdf

[DJ Vincenzo]

Thanks....u guys rock!!!

[DJ Vincenzo]

http://www.jblpro.com/ae/pdf/CMCD%20TechNote.pdf


OMG!!!!....just read all that and it looks like i will NOT be biulding a custum box but buying the am 6200, lol.

[Zilch]

Well, you COULD throw some drivers in a box like you originally intended, but it's not gonna work the same.

[See "Yikes," above.... ;) ]

[DJ Vincenzo]

Well, you COULD throw some drivers in a box like you originally intended, but it's not gonna work the same.

[See "Yikes," above.... ;) ]

i could actually but the AM6200 will look a lil better. I kinda like biulding enclousers...oh well:(

[Zilch]

Report here with how they sound once you get them, then.

I don't know of any forum member that has them.

We'll want to see pics of your full setup, too! :thmbsup:

[tomp787]

Hello,

Have you seen this? It might be just what you want.

http://www.audioheritage.org/html/perspectives/drews-clues/system.htm

[DJ Vincenzo]

what'd u guys think if i were to do something as nutty as to put the berrylilium driver in the AM 6200/95?:blink:

[DJ Vincenzo]

just bought em....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130058101692&rd=1&rd=1