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Fangio
12-10-2006, 02:52 AM
I'm in the process of building a new chain for my 4-way monitors and have been searching for a while now, for a power amp to drive the 15" woofs (2231As with 2235 kits). I tried a smaller Hafler but wasn't too impressed. Was looking for monoblocks, but yesterday I came across this 16A locally that someone had bought in the same PX back in the '70s where my ol' L166s came from.
I've entered the tube road with a new preamp already and thought it might be nice to stay within the (harman) family, with this power amp - at 200 I think I didn't pay too much? It's in very good condition cosmetically, built like a tank, 2x150W/8 ohms double mono design, all original, spent his life in moderate home use for classic only and has the original 10.000 microfarad capacitors made in USA - which is a good thing from what I've seen in a canadian ebay auction.
Harman has made also the 2 years older 16 and a later version - how do they compare? Isn't it able to run in Class A mode? I've added a first snapshot after integrating it into the new rack (still a bit dusty). Will take better pics if desired, and would like to hear some opinions or background info about this unit. Thanks in advance.

JBLRaiser
12-10-2006, 07:22 AM
I'm in the process of building a new chain for my 4-way monitors and have been searching for a while now, for a power amp to drive the 15" woofs (2231As with 2235 kits). I tried a smaller Hafler but wasn't too impressed. Was looking for monoblocks, but yesterday I came across this 16A locally that someone had bought in the same PX back in the '70s where my ol' L166s came from.
I've entered the tube road with a new preamp already and thought it might be nice to stay within the (harman) family, with this power amp - at 200 I think I didn't pay too much? It's in very good condition cosmetically, built like a tank, 2x150W/8 ohms double mono design, all original, spent his life in moderate home use for classic only and has the original 10.000 microfarad capacitors made in USA - which is a good thing from what I've seen in a canadian ebay auction.
Harman has made also the 2 years older 16 and a later version - how do they compare? Isn't it able to run in Class A mode? I've added a first snapshot after integrating it into the new rack (still a bit dusty). Will take better pics if desired, and would like to hear some opinions or background info about this unit. Thanks in advance.

Not my opinion, I don't have one, here's :

From the manual.

"In every way, the Citation 16 is an instrument engineered to fulfil the audiophiles most exacting requirements.

Discrete components are used throughout. Their electrical and thermal isolation makes for sonic superiority over the more commonly used integrated circuits.

The Citation 16 slews quickly, a result of the superior high frequency response of the output stage. Excellent slew rate, coupled with low feedback voltages assure extremely low transient intermodulation distortion. The audible result is transparency of sound, even during the most demanding musical passages.

Class A operation has been extended beyond conventional limits, reducing audible crossover distortion. Crossover or "notch" distortion has been identified as a prime cause of the so called transistor sound.

Completely separate power supplies for each channel ensure absolute stability under all speaker loades and provide transient handling ability.

The peak-reading light emmiting diode display provides and instantaneous monitor of the power output. It is faster, easier to read and more accurate than meters."

Power output: 150 watts min. RMS per channel, both channels driven into 8 ohms from 20hz to 20khz, with less than 0.05% THD.

The Citation 16 can be operated in a mode in which it delivers approx. 500 watts to a single 8 ohm speaker.

It measures 19 x 14 x 9 1/4" and weighs in at 55 lbs.

This was pulled from an Ebay auction.

Fangio
12-10-2006, 09:09 AM
Thanks for making me aware of this auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120063247823&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D120063247823%26f vi%3D1), will be interesting to watch.

I've seen only this other already finished (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170049833680&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting) one, with what seems to be a bit rusty unit. My one is at least as clean as that current one, have the complete paperwork also, plus unfortunately outdated warranty cards. ;) Have to admit I didn't read it all yet, should probably start RTFM..

Rolf
12-13-2006, 03:18 AM
Hi Fangio. It's a long time since I heard the 16, (mid 70's) but I believe it sounded ok at the time. Not very "strong" at the low end, so using it at the 2231 only might not be the right choice. I would like to try it first to see if it is suitable.

Fangio
12-13-2006, 01:50 PM
Rolf,
thanks, at least one who has heard it before. Seems it's totally unknown in the US :D

My local tech guru said immediately when he saw it: I've bought a nice eyecandy (as usual), not perfect for highend 'as is' nowadays, an excellent basis for modifications though. We hooked it up and he was right: very clean and powerful amp but, uhm, still improvable. :p He knows his H/K stuff very well, and uses the units preferably for his tunings. He will get it tomorrow, first thing I guess he will implement is different opamps (Burr-Brown), and some more actions are on his usual to-do-list to get the best out of those. We'll see, and will report if there's interest.

Rolf
12-14-2006, 12:38 AM
Rolf,
thanks, at least one who has heard it before. Seems it's totally unknown in the US :D

My local tech guru said immediately when he saw it: I've bought a nice eyecandy (as usual), not perfect for highend 'as is' nowadays, an excellent basis for modifications though. We hooked it up and he was right: very clean and powerful amp but, uhm, still improvable. :p He knows his H/K stuff very well, and uses the units preferably for his tunings. He will get it tomorrow, first thing I guess he will implement is different opamps (Burr-Brown), and some more actions are on his usual to-do-list to get the best out of those. We'll see, and will report if there's interest.

Good luck with the upgrade. Please report the result as well as what has been done. Probably a lot of others who have this amp and want to do the same.

Fangio
12-18-2006, 06:42 AM
Good luck with the upgrade. Please report the result as well as what has been done.
I was wrong about the opamps/BB chips, these were used in another unit of mine (dvd-player). The amp is a bit sedate in his eyes and gets way faster input transistors now, and some other components replaced. Should be ready tomorrow.

doodlebug
12-18-2006, 08:31 AM
I remember when those amps came out. At the time, the slew rate spec was all the rage in the US market. I can see from the literature that it was all over the HK marketing department at the time. I'm sure some updates of old components will bring it back to its original performance specs.

At the time this came out, I had an HK Citation V (35wpc) tube amp and lusted after one of the 16s. They carried on the tradition of almost mil-spec build quality but they found it hard to compete with the Crown DC-300s and Phase Linear 400s that were much more competitively priced and had better distribution channels throughout most of the US dealer market. Of course, the Japanese manufacturers were also taking a big bite out of the higher-end separate market by the time the Citation 16 hit the market. As a result, I'm not surprised that this model has been almost forgotten after almost 30 years.

Cheers,

David

coherent_guy
12-26-2006, 12:54 PM
I recall very well the day in the late 70's that a friend and I listened to the newly released L166's at Pacific Stereo, on a Citation 16, being compared to L65's. The L166's smoked the L65's, mainly in the bass, the power LED's on the Citation lighting up like crazy, darn near pegged, and it sounded mighty clean. It may not be a Krell, but just as good if not better than a PL 400 or Crown, IMO. What kills me is the memory of my friend not being able to afford the '166's, so he got the L65's on special for $550 a pair! He never regretted his purchase, and has them to this day, I refoamed them earlier this year.

In those days, the output transistors on amps were the weak link and were a major headache for Phase Linear, etc. Amps a few years newer had better transistors and were therefore likely better than the older ones. They also did not seem to parallel up as many output devices as they do today, odd as that helped with reliability but was an economic factor that inhibited that practice. Replacing the output transistors with ones with identical or better voltage and current specs and re-setting the bias would be an excellent mod. Personally, I would choose the Citation over a Phase Linear because the Citation is a more modern design, relatively speaking of course, and also over the Crown DC300 as that amp was more of an on-the-road, PA amp, not designed with ultimate sound quality in mind. MY opinion of course... Enjoy that amp!

Peter Becker
12-27-2006, 11:02 AM
I was wrong about the opamps/BB chips, these were used in another unit of mine (dvd-player). The amp is a bit sedate in his eyes and gets way faster input transistors now, and some other components replaced. Should be ready tomorrow.

Hi Fangio

I think this is a really good Amp.When you use it with your 4343 may be two Citation 16 in Mono is not bad.

Fangio
12-29-2006, 06:25 AM
Many thanks for all the interesting suggestions and classifications. I've read a lot more about this beast now and realized already it was a good choice.

The amp is back in service since a week, and I'm veery happy with the results. Finally a unit that managed to outperform the 2 of 4 poweramps inside my Marantz 4400 in an a/b comparison, and not just a bit, it moved the LF into another league - way more detailed particularly at lower volumes and very precise and musically where it was a bit rough before, although able to shake the house w/o any clipping at all through the 4343s - a big step foward.

Will post more pics what has been done when I'm ready to take it out of the chain next time - too much listening pleasure right now. I got explained the following and try to translate a bit: among others the NPN transistors in the input circuits have been replaced and all 4 are matching now: original hFe was 400:700, now 2x 550 hFe. Originals have an on-time of 150µS, the new ones an on-time of 50nS, that means an accelleration by factor 3k - the input performance should be comparable to a good tube now. And another example - the top cover and ground plate were decoupled, by replacing the screws with small distance parts, to get a little air gap all around (kinda 'de-farradeyed..', the amp can 'breathe' better now) - probably we'll do sort of that with the big transformators as well, for several reasons. There is still potential for more improvements to accomplish, once the whole chain will make that kind of differences audible.

Also a missing feature was added - quite simple but effective for balancing the system.

Fangio
02-11-2007, 07:48 AM
Thought I would share a snapshot of the equipment 'building site' in current stadium here, to show where I am. As you can see the little skyscraper is still under construction.

jan_slagman
02-11-2007, 08:42 AM
Hello Fangio,

I am the owner of a HK Cit.16a since 1978 and i still like the looks and sound of this marvellous machine. But i have to be true....................i like it much better since the machine was totally upgraded wayback in 1990. It costed some 40 hours of labour to replace every inferior component. There were even some knowingly mistakes in the concept to achieve a cheaper productionprocess. The used components were the best to be found in militairy manuals. F.i. longlife Siemens capacitors for the powersupply. These capicitors were brought on 60 volts little by little in some 12 days (5 volts each day) to avoid damage when using the HK for the very first time after having it upgraded. The signalcables were made from silver with a teflon coating (also used in a F16 jet). In the past the HK was used on the mid-and high section of a pair of Infinity Q2 loudspeakers and the sound was just great. It sounded if a curtain had been opened after upgrading the HK. I still have all the manuals and the alterations that were made to upgrade the amp. When the DC offset was measured after some 4 years it pointed out nothing had changed and the values were exactly the same. I can adjust the DC offset without opening the amp's enclosure. Maybe a warning for users of this beautiful amp. Before using the amp give it one hour to warm up and to reach its maximum settings for it would be a real loss when blowing up one of the powertransistors. As far as i am informed these are matched types and in case of any loss you can't buy them anymore.

With kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands

Fangio
02-11-2007, 10:24 AM
Hi Jan, sounds impressing, thanks. Going to discuss that with my tech friend.. :yes:
These units have way more potential for very detailed playback than what they got in stock configuration.

jan_slagman
02-12-2007, 06:56 AM
Hello Fangio,

When upgrading your Harman Kardon Citation 16a you better disable the peak-reading light emitting diode display. That feature makes no sense and it only asks needles energy from the power-supply. I just cut it off and i made a volumecontrol out of the selectorknob in question. I placed a Noble potentiometer. Now i have a Marantz CD-94 MkII and a Marantz CDA-94 digital converter (upgraded by Siltech) directly coupled to the input of the Harman Kardon Citation 16a. This was done to avoid a pre-amplifier (with a lot of components in it). Well to be short: "It just sounds very tight and transparent" and i have heard the Citation beaten competitors with big names. By the way you better replace the original relais by a Zettler relais.
If you have any questions, please drop me a line !

With kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Neterlands

short_circutz
01-31-2009, 02:08 AM
I have two of them. Came with an assortment of JBL/Harman gear we bought from a bar that had closed here years ago (I was just getting into high school at the time). Also got a pair of 2202, pair of 2440 with lenses, and 2405 slots :D, 4 K145, and a 5232 w/250hz cards.

One has a dead channel, the other is still working flawlessly. We've used them for everything from PA cabs to my dad's bass guitar rig (sounds nice on an E140 in a 6 cu ft cab for bass guitar) using the pre section of his Traynor MK3 bass head.

Fangio
02-02-2009, 07:35 AM
I think this is a really good Amp. When you use it with your 4343 may be two Citation 16 in Mono is not bad
still have the 16A.. I'm quite happy with what replaced it for the 4343's low end. I do intend to use it in near future in bridged mode instead, but for the 2245H lying around here.. :bouncy: still hoping for someone to come up with a batch of cc'ed BX63A's as menaced a while back.. ;)

Several components in post #12 have left the chain for something better in the interim. The TT is up and running though, fitted with a real SME 3009 Series II (not the later "improved" S2).

jan_slagman
02-10-2009, 08:19 AM
still have the 16A.. I'm quite happy with what replaced it for the 4343's low end. I do intend to use it in near future in bridged mode instead, but for the 2245H lying around here.. :bouncy: still hoping for someone to come up with a batch of cc'ed BX63A's as menaced a while back.. ;)

Several components in post #12 have left the chain for something better in the interim. The TT is up and running though, fitted with a real SME 3009 Series II (not the later "improved" S2).

Still have my HK Cit.16a since 1978 and i bought it when new. Last Sunday i bought a Harman Kardon 17S Pro pre-amp and a Harman Kardon Citation 16 Pro power-amp. The amps are connected to a pair of Celestion SL6 loudspeakers, the first loudspeakers that were developed using lasertechnology. The set has an extremely wide soundstage, the bass sounds very tight and controlled, and they have a very smooth and detailed mid-and high section.

http://i42.tinypic.com/1znajpl.jpg

Greetz,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands,

4313B
02-10-2009, 08:26 AM
Very nice Jan. I was always a fan of that backend gear. It sounded really nice.

jan_slagman
02-10-2009, 10:34 AM
Very nice Jan. I was always a fan of that backend gear. It sounded really nice.

Hi 4313B,

Thanks for your comments. In my livingroom i have a Harman Kardon Citation 16a connected to a pair of JBL4312A Control Monitors. The CD-player is Marantz CD-94/II with the matching DAC Marantz CDA-94. This set-up sounds pretty good. Using the JBL4312A's i don't have the same bassproblems i had using the JBL L110's and JBL L112's. Compared to the set-up set in my hobbyroom (see pic) i have to conclude that set is sounding more musically. Although these Celestion speakers ain't that big they have a big sound with an enormous wide soundstage and depth.
It sounds almost holographic !!!

Kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands.

jcrobso
02-10-2009, 04:16 PM
I got one a clearance sale many years ago. I think it was about $200. John

John
02-10-2009, 05:26 PM
Do you guys find your Citation 16's run a bit on the hot side at low levels???

If so is it because of the class A operation at low output levels?:blink:

jan_slagman
02-11-2009, 01:02 AM
Do you guys find your Citation 16's run a bit on the hot side at low levels???

If so is it because of the class A operation at low output levels?:blink:

Yes, John that's correct !!! Nothing to worry about. Yes indeed, it is because of the Class A mode at low output levels (about 70 till 80 degrees Celsius).

Greetz,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands.

jcrobso
02-11-2009, 10:43 AM
Do you guys find your Citation 16's run a bit on the hot side at low levels???

If so is it because of the class A operation at low output levels?:blink:

I think it was class A up to 7 watts, over 7 watts it would run class AB.
Yes it runs warm at idle and low levels! John

John
02-11-2009, 03:41 PM
:thmbsup: Thanks, it's good to know. I think that is why I had to replace the power supply caps. The original one's were cooked.:cooked:

hjames
02-11-2009, 04:03 PM
Just gorgeous - I love the old amps - got a bridged Citation 22 running my B380, but its tiny compared to that monster!
Thanks so much for sharing ...!


Still have my HK Cit.16a since 1978 and i bought it when new.
Last Sunday i bought a Harman Kardon 17S Pro pre-amp and a Harman Kardon Citation 16 Pro power-amp.
The amps are connected to a pair of Celestion SL6 loudspeakers, the first loudspeakers that were developed
using laser technology. The set has an extremely wide soundstage, the bass sounds very tight and controlled,
and they have a very smooth and detailed mid-and high section.



Greetz,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands,

jbl_daddy
02-11-2009, 07:53 PM
The more power the tighter it gets. For years I ran three Crown DC300 Series II on a pair of B380's in my living room. About three years ago I purchased a pair of Crown K1's to bi-amp my 4340's and a single Crown K2 for the pair of B380's in the same room. It is a different experiance all togeather. The system has more attack than anything I have heard in a long time. The other gear sounded good just not as tight.:)

Ps. the K1's and K2 never run hot, no matter how hard you push them.

jan_slagman
02-12-2009, 12:06 PM
Hi JBL Daddy,

I had the same experience as you when using a Bryston 3b for the low end and the Harman Kardon Citation 16a for the mid-and high section.
I had both poweramps connected to two Infinity Quantum 2 loudspeakers.
I bought that equipment wayback in 1978. Nowadays i only have the harman Kardon Citation 16a left, using it with two JBL4312A Control Monitors.

Greetz,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands.

jan_slagman
02-15-2009, 04:57 AM
Hi JBL Daddy,

I had the same experience as you when using a Bryston 3b for the low end and the Harman Kardon Citation 16a for the mid-and high section.
I had both poweramps connected to two Infinity Quantum 2 loudspeakers.
I bought that equipment wayback in 1978. Nowadays i only have the harman Kardon Citation 16a left, using it with two JBL4312A Control Monitors.

Greetz,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands.

Hi,

This picture is showing the interior of my totally upgraded Harman Kardon Citation 16a. The four black pipes are Siemens long-life caps.
We cut off the leds on the front because they have no function. We used one of the knobs to built in a a volumecontrol and we built in a Noble potentiometer (see the long shaft), The Noble potentiometer was placed right before the input.

Kind regards,

Jan slagman
The Netherlands.

jbl_daddy
02-15-2009, 10:21 AM
How does it sound, can you tell any difference? I had a HK 16a for some time, my father loves it. I gave it to him about ten years ago. I never could get my self to warm up to the led's in the front either. The three position switch for them was always off.:)

jan_slagman
02-16-2009, 04:49 PM
How does it sound, can you tell any difference? I had a HK 16a for some time, my father loves it. I gave it to him about ten years ago. I never could get my self to warm up to the led's in the front either. The three position switch for them was always off.:)

Hi JBL daddy,

That amplifier just does what it has to do and that's amplifying the signal without adding anything to that signal.
It has a lot of power which can be of importance when using low sensitive loudspeakers like my Celestion SL6 loudspeakers (84db).
In my living-room i am using a Harman Kardon Citation 16a with a pair of JBL4312A Control Monitors and that amp is freewheeling with these sensitive loudspeakers.

Kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands.

jan_slagman
03-10-2009, 01:05 PM
Hi guys,

I have finished my Harman Kardon Citation 17S/16 Pro set-up. A pair of Celestion SL6 loudspeakers have been connected to the power-amp (first loudspeaker in the world that was designed by using lasertechnology and the Celestions have a copper tweeter; Sensitivity only 82db !!!).
I made the stands of black painted MDF myself. Both amps were totally restored !!!



Kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands

Ken Pachkowsky
03-10-2009, 03:58 PM
I too had a Citation 16 back in 76-77. Used it for a while when I was bi-amping my JBL 4350's (Phase Linear 700B on the bottoms). It sounded pretty good at the time. The lights were sort of silly. The one thing I hated were the thin chrome handles. This is a heavy amp and your fingers would barely fit through the opening and the damned handles were so thin it really dug into your fingers.

Oh well, memory lane.

jan_slagman
03-11-2009, 11:19 AM
I too had a Citation 16 back in 76-77. Used it for a while when I was bi-amping my JBL 4350's (Phase Linear 700B on the bottoms). It sounded pretty good at the time. The lights were sort of silly. The one thing I hated were the thin chrome handles. This is a heavy amp and your fingers would barely fit through the opening and the damned handles were so thin it really dug into your fingers.

Oh well, memory lane.

You're right Ken,

These chrome handles are too thin compared to the weight they have to carry when lifting up that amp. I think i will make a pair of handles myself (see examples below).

Kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands

abes99
06-30-2009, 01:43 PM
Hi all,
I`am new on this forum,i am very far exactlt in the indian ocean <Mauritius>
I have a HK16 for nearly 30 years and never had problem,
it was used in my recording studio for some times
ans was in a corner until today ,i have move to new home and connect the beast it was still going strong,just finished to listen to some grp album and now i would to have some help inorder to upgrade the amp and may be some tips with the guys who had already done it.
i`am also in diy,have build few things,but thinking of the cloning of the 16 for triamp
Thanks,this is a good forun
Abes

cornerklipsch
10-31-2009, 06:34 PM
hey guys, first time here ,it made me smile when i saw this topic on the 16a
everyone seems to have a unique memory of using or owning this amp
Same here as this amp and myself have crossed paths at several times.
The best one i owned was the first one i bought,a floor sample at a hi fi store i worked at . A guy from the base ordered it in, changed his mind and it sat in the window for months,until a co-worker and i plugged in in the soundroom with the Klipschorns and i was blown away.
It was a 16/a and one of the last ones made. This one unfortunatly was later stolen from my home and we never found another one as mint as this or this particular version... most we found were the older versions.
I do agree the discreet components make the difference and was apparent instanty from the earlier 16.
I used this amp with my 81 cornwalls and found it very transparent.
We did have some issues, the relay went, which we replaced with a more indusrial strength relay, and there was another issue with the bias setting
After some tweaking it compares sonically or some cases exceeds its rivals.

I decided today to soon take the plunge for Cornwall 3's and hope to be able to track down another 16/A to power them, but has to be pretty darn mint.
so far, the search continues..

enjoy the unit, they sound ok bridged too ive used the S model in clubs that way

ROb,

Fangio
11-01-2009, 07:05 AM
Always nice to hear such stories, keep them coming.. :)

The 16A in the initial post has changed hands though. I have been very satisfied with the performance but alas, it had to go to make room for more tube gear. I would consider another unit anytime the need for a powerful clean sounding solid state amp arises here, but would probably pick one without the LEDs like Jan's, or Woody's (for sale here (http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26446)).

I shipped mine to France near the swiss border last summer, where the new owner from Genève picked it up. The 16A has now become part of another multi-amp system driving the speakers below.

Fangio
11-01-2009, 08:50 AM
Attached is a last pic of mine for comparison with post #29 (http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=240934&postcount=29), with the original caps. The changes made here were more subtle and are not easy to see.. but quite effective.

Akira
11-02-2009, 08:07 AM
My first amp/pre combo was the HK Citation 11/12 driving the original L100's. Couldn't afford the 16, but the shear size and power numbers along with the V leds made them an object I always lusted after. Never heard them, but a salesman told me my unit was sonically superior to the much more pricey beast--no idea.

Anyway the Citation 11 (60 wps) turned out to be the sweetest most musical amp I have ever known. More pleasing from a musicality perspective to any of the 16 different Brystons I have since owned. The Brystons, one of the most transparent amps on the market are supposed to be sonically superior and post way better numbers, but I always liked the sound of the Citation 11 better.

jcrobso
11-02-2009, 09:56 AM
One of my son-in-laws was going to use it but never did, I just got it back.
I'll have give it a listen soon.

Rolf
11-02-2009, 04:48 PM
Bare with me. I do not understand why you people does not understand that the AMP has been better ... over the years. ???

jan_slagman
01-23-2010, 05:28 AM
Hi guys,

After some 34 years i was so lucky to acquire the matching pre-amlifier to my Harman Kardon Citation 16a poweramplifier. Now i have two Harman Kardon Citation pre-and poweramplifiers (pre 17 and 17S; power 16 and 16A).

The 17S and 16 pro-line versions are connected to my JBL4312A Control Monitors.
The 17 and 16A consumer versions are connected to a pair of Celestion SL6 or a pair of Rogers Studio 1 monitors.

Kind regards,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands

alnico
01-24-2010, 12:36 AM
My home theater consists of amplifier Harman Kardon Citation 16A all bridged mono.I am a big fan of Harman Kardon Citation.

http://www.zimage.biz/images/37855syst-son-dec-2009-027.jpg

stephane RAME
01-24-2010, 02:16 AM
Waaoou :jawdrop:

Large electricity bill ?

Stéphane

hjames
01-24-2010, 06:12 AM
Don't they get kind of warm on those wood shelves?
Don't you get kind of warm watching movies with all those Amps running in mono mode?
Can you hear anything quiet anymore with ALL THAT POWER?
:applaud:



My home theater consists of amplifier Harman Kardon Citation 16A all bridged mono.I am a big fan of Harman Kardon Citation.

http://www.zimage.biz/images/37855syst-son-dec-2009-027.jpg

Fangio
01-24-2010, 06:15 AM
My home theater consists of amplifier Harman Kardon Citation 16A all bridged mono.I am a big fan of Harman Kardon Citation.
Evidently. ;)

That setup should be fairly unique :applaud:

alnico
01-24-2010, 06:33 AM
Don't they get kind of warm on those wood shelves?
Don't you get kind of warm watching movies with all those Amps running in mono mode?
Can you hear anything quiet anymore with ALL THAT POWER?
:applaud:

on the back they have fans

jan_slagman
01-24-2010, 06:47 AM
Holy Moly, now you have make me crazy !!!!!!!! I thought i had quiete a nice collection of HK Cit. amplifiers.

Wow,

Jan Slagman
The Netherlands.

hjames
01-24-2010, 06:57 AM
on the back they have fans

Yes, fans can MOVE the air, but 17+ model 16s will still generate some HEAT.
I'm guessing either dedicated Air Conditioning to compensate for that, or its subterranean to utilize the natural coolness of the earth.

Still - that's got to be some current draw when they are flipped on and in use.

Wow! Nice presentation!

opimax
01-24-2010, 08:35 AM
All that On a pair of 250s ? that's really amazing! :bouncy:

It is really amazing anyway!!

Mark

alnico
01-24-2010, 09:39 AM
All that On a pair of 250s ? that's really amazing! :bouncy:

It is really amazing anyway!!

Mark


:)Lolllllllllll:)

1 X HK Citation 16A for spare and 16 X HK Citation 16A for my home theater , one amplifier bridged mono for each JBL L-112 .

10 X JBL L-112 = 4 for front (2 for left and 2 for right) ,+ 2 for center channel + 2 for surround back and 2 for surround side .

And 6 other HK Citation 16A for subwoofer , 6 X 18 inch JBL 2240H in TCB 4688 (2 X JBL TCB )


currently there are only one tcb, but may later there will be 2 others

HK Citation 16A = 16 X 500watts :bouncy:

and sorry for my english , i use translate on web (i speak french only);)

hjames
01-24-2010, 10:01 AM
:)Lolllllllllll:)


HK Citation 16A = 16 X 500watts :bouncy:

and sorry for my english , i use translate on web (i speak french only);)

translated or not, we all speak the language of sound - and that looks fantastic!
lets take a Lansing Forum trip to YOUR place for Movies!:applaud:

alnico
01-24-2010, 10:12 AM
translated or not, we all speak the language of sound - and that looks fantastic!
lets take a Lansing Forum trip to YOUR place for Movies!:applaud:

thank you for your understanding:)

jan_slagman
01-24-2010, 05:45 PM
thank you for your understanding:)

N'est pas un problème Alnico ! Vous avez beaucoup des amplicateurs Harman Kardon Citation 16a ! Merveilleux !!!

Je vous salue,

Jan Slagman
Les Pays Bas

jcrobso
01-25-2010, 02:18 PM
:)Lolllllllllll:)

1 X HK Citation 16A for spare and 16 X HK Citation 16A for my home theater , one amplifier bridged mono for each JBL L-112 .

10 X JBL L-112 = 4 for front (2 for left and 2 for right) ,+ 2 for center channel + 2 for surround back and 2 for surround side .

And 6 other HK Citation 16A for subwoofer , 6 X 18 inch JBL 2240H in TCB 4688 (2 X JBL TCB )


currently there are only one tcb, but may later there will be 2 others

HK Citation 16A = 16 X 500watts :bouncy:

and sorry for my english , i use translate on web (i speak french only);)

One thing about the HK16a is that it runs hottest at idle because of class A operation up to 7 watts, one you start to drive it over 7 watts it cools down a little and stays there until you get over 100w or so.

Jason Jester
12-11-2017, 11:24 AM
Thought I would share a snapshot of the equipment 'building site' in current stadium here, to show where I am. As you can see the little skyscraper is still under construction.
Too funny.....I am using a 3800 Marantz preamp and a Citation 16 myself