New "big guns" LF?

[johnaec]

Just saw this on the new JBL 2269H dual 4" V.C. differential-drive 18" pro sub with 3.5" peak-to-peak excursion:
http://www.jblpro.com/pressroom/VT4880_06/VT4880_06.htm

http://www.jblpro.com/vertec1/VT4880A%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf

(But how does it sound?)

John

[JBLnsince1959]

sweet!!!!!

Looks perfect for adding just that little extra bottom to a persons HT setup:D

[Zilch]

Too deep. I'd hafta make some spacers to fit 'em in my monster sub.... :p

[Steve Gonzales]

This should be some kinda monster. Seismic, in a Cosmic kinda way :D . Can't wait to see what Zilch will do with it! ;)

[4313B]

Can't wait to see what Zilch will do with it!With what? A 2269? We couldn't care less what Zilch would do with one? :rotfl:
The thing to watch is what JBL is doing with this purpose-built transducer. Very nice!

[Steve Gonzales]

I didn't pay much attention to his Q&D 4430 thread until yesterday, I find his little lab interesting and I like his willingness to explore possibilities. As for what JBL does with a transducer, that's a no-brainer, of course. I hope that the 2269's advanced design makes it into the home market in some form. I respect that you are steadfast in your commitment to recommend that JBL transducers be used for their engineered ,purpose-built intent. However futile and bizarre it might seem to some, I think it is interesting when members explore and think outside the box. Kind of a "Let's see what else can be done with it"--constuctively. Not to say that a reckless promotion of such a thing is good for us either, I don't see that Zilch is guilty of that, I find him to be fairly thorough in his projects. I'm beginning to understand you a bit better Giskard, it must be frustrating to deal with less informed people, to put it politely, just continue to keep the record straight in your own unique style and we'll all appreciate having the comfort of an authority on the actual bottom line from an engineering POV.

[Zilch]

This should be some kinda monster. Seismic, in a Cosmic kinda way :D .It's running with E155's presently, but I acquired a pair of 2241's for it. Then I figured out how to make 2242's fit, so I was thinkin' about doin' that.

Now I don't know WHAT to do.

It's all enormously silly, of course. Can't put more than a couple of watts in even as they are before everything in the house rattles.... :p

[Steve Gonzales]

It's running with E155's presently, but I acquired a pair of 2241's for it. Then I figured out how to make 2242's fit, so I was thinkin' about doin' that.

Now I don't know WHAT to do.

It's all enormously silly, of course. Can't put more than a couple of watts in before everything in the house rattles.... :p

Well, at least we know who is causing seismic activity up North:D

[Steve Gonzales]

Speaking of enormously silly... Howz about a couple of 2269's installed in something like so: http://www.passdiy.com/projects/el-pipe-o-1.htm. :p

[4313B]

I think it is interesting when members explore and think outside the box.I know that is a marvelously fun thing to post but it only highlights an author's personal ignorance as opposed to much of anything else. :)

[JuniorJBL]

OK!!
Now I want 4 of them!!:applaud:

I want to El Pipe-O my "hood":D

If we place these in just the right spots through out the country we could have......:p

[johnaec]

I hope that the 2269's advanced design makes it into the home market in some form.'Not sure if the trade-off would be worth it. Who really needs 140db in their living room, especially if that might be pushing the linearity? Of course, that might also mean that when limited to the kind of output normally required in a relatively low-powered home environment, it could be especially linear and low distortion... :dont-know

John

[Steve Gonzales]

'Not sure if the trade-off would be worth it. Who really needs 140db in their living room, especially if that might be pushing the linearity? Of course, that might also mean that when linited to the kind of output normally required in a relatively low-powered home environment, it could be especially linear and low distortion... :dont-know

John I don't know either. I've run into a suprising amount of people that feel the need for that type of overkill, I just like the idea of it. Back in the day, there might have been the same type of speculation regarding the B460. If you look at the literature, it seems if these were aimed at augmenting the L250, for crying out loud!.

[Steve Gonzales]

I know that is a marvelously fun thing to post but it only highlights an author's personal ignorance as opposed to much of anything else. :)

Dammit Giskard :bash:

[johnaec]

I've run into a suprising amount of people that feel the need for that type of overkill, I just like the idea of it.I would love to have one to replace the Sub1500 I use for live bass guitar... :rockon1:

John

[Mr. Widget]

I know that is a marvelously fun thing to post but it only highlights an author's personal ignorance as opposed to much of anything else. :)What kind of post is that.... I think I agree with you about the waste of time and money that many members go through with their seemingly random design attempts... I know about it from firsthand experience!:( But, this post seems to be an attack on the intellect of a fellow forum member... that's just not necessary or cool.


Widget

[4313B]

What kind of post is that.... It's a funny one that Steve answered perfectly.

Dammit Giskard :bash:

that's <snip> not <snip> cool."What are you doing?"
"huh?"
"Are you sniffing my wrapper?"
"Pfft, yeah right, no..."
"Wha-what are you doing? what are you doing?...that's not cool"
"You're not cool"

[Zilch]

We couldn't care less what Zilch would do with one? :rotfl:
HUH?

You stole my "We" staff? :mad:

[Litigation pending.... :p ]

[Mr. Widget]

It's a funny one that Steve answered perfectly.I agree... I think he did answer it perfectly.

I guess my funny button is broken.... maybe it's just bent. :hmm:

Widget

[4313B]

HUH?

You stole my "We" staff? :mad:

[Litigation pending.... :p ]Can't touch this! They were outsourced. :D

(Actually the "we" thing is just three people. As far as I know...)


I agree... I think he did answer it perfectly.

I guess my funny button is broken.... maybe it's just bent. :hmm:

WidgetI think it's just a heightened security alert thing.

We had a nice discussion about these newest transducers. We were asked not to take any pictures. They are very nice. I'll see if it's ok to post anything else at some point. It's all gotta come out sooner or later anyway.

[spkrman57]

Even though I can't afford the new "high-tech" JBL systems, it's still nice to drool over!

Ron

[Izzy Weird]

Okay, get out the flame throwers. :biting:

Has anyone got TS parms for this 2269H woofer yet?

Hmmm, I wonder how it would behave in a sealed box. :p

At first glance I thought the Vertec cabinets were very pricey, but I think it's time to give them a second look. Maybe I wouldn't need two of these new VT4880A in my studio, maybe one would be enough. Seriously, I'll be pricing these babies tomorrow. What do you think, one Crown CE4000 in bridge-mode per driver?

When I bought my B460s some people said they were overkill, but they were wrong.

http://IzzyWeird.com/images/eyes1.jpg
Izzy

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"You never have too much headroom in the first octave."

[johnaec]

Maybe I wouldn't need two of these new VT4880A in my studio, maybe one would be enough. Seriously, I'll be pricing these babies tomorrow. What do you think, one Crown CE4000 in bridge-mode per driver?JBL also makes a Vertec Crown-powered sub with a single 2669G, (4 ohm version) - 'sounds like just what you need: http://www.jblpro.com/vertec1/vertecdp/VT4881ADP%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf

John

[Ian Mackenzie]

I realise its OT because I am not talking product but a sub that actually is doing the job does not actually have to play super loud. Besides, very loud bass can be quite damaging to your ears. After the novelty of the sound effect wears off it becomes quite tiring

I would rather have another 5 hertz of extreme extension (say 25 hertz) with low distortion and moderate sensitivity than a system that peaked out max dbs at 40 hertz.

But I guess if the people you live with are deaf and you live in a rough neigbourhood where hoons drive by with 1000 watts in the trunk its okay to stack 2242's to tbe ceiling!

Please, no Bose wave cannon jokes.

[4313B]

Please, no Bose wave cannon jokes.I'll refrain from the inside jokes as well. Besides, they aren't really inside jokes per se. These transducers were designed to kick unholy ass and they do that extremely well. For personal use in my home they have absolutely no function whatsoever.

[Izzy Weird]

I'll refrain from the inside jokes as well. Besides, they aren't really inside jokes per se. These transducers were designed to kick unholy ass and they do that extremely well. For personal use in my home they have absolutely no function whatsoever.

One of my favorite things about JBL is that their speakers often have both finesse and kick-ass level. But if this is not the case with the VT4880A, I may have to keep the B460 subs and add switches on the wall to suit my particular listening mood.

http://izzyweird.com/temp/knife_sw.jpg

And when I'm really in need of a sub-bass fix, I can turn them both on. :p

I may be buying one or more of these so I would really like to know the basis of your opinion. Is your opinion of the VT4880A based upon actually listening or better yet, AB comparison? Is it based upon a consensus of other astute listeners?

In clubs like Studio West in San Francisco I used eight Cetec Gauss 18" subs because at the time (1979) JBL did not have an 18" woofer robust enough for that kind of service. The rest of the 4-way amplified system was all JBL (4 each 4560, 2395, 8 each 2405. etc.). Similar to your above statement, I would probably not use Cetec Gauss woofers in my home. They kicked-butt, and they sounded pretty good, but they definitely weren't JBL.

http://IzzyWeird.com/images/eyes1.jpg

Izzy

[Lindell]

Will it be avalible for DIY:ers ?

[4313B]

I may have to keep the B460 subs and add switches on the wall to suit my particular listening mood.

http://izzyweird.com/temp/knife_sw.jpg

Now we're getting somewhere! :applaud: :rotfl:

[4313B]

Will it be avalible for DIY:ers ?Everything can be had, usually just an agreed upon price is required.

[Thom]

It would seem to me that the advantage of a speaker that could play that loud would be that with an equalizer you could could play rather loud (not 140 db) at lower frequencies because the 10 db down point and such are still very loud all you need is plenty of power and the right equalizer and in Zilch's case a little work on the house apparently. (probably a lot of peoples case) I've yet to hear anybody talk about a price. I think the list as a spare part is about $2300 but I'm not sure who you buy it from for that or if you can get it for less. I know when looking at 4880 and 4881 the suffix is very important.

[bigyank]

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-VT4881ADP-SUBWOOFER-LINE-ARRAYABLE_W0QQitemZ110099548383QQcategoryZ47094QQc mdZViewItem

Out of Miami, FL......:D

[Steve Mac]

I built a giant set of transmission lines that were clean and low and fairly loud but I'm pretty much done with them because they simply don't have the dynamics and output that a horn does.
I used to house a set of 2242's in these 6 foot high cabs:
http://www.steevee.com/images/studio/tympanis.jpg
But now the 2242's are much happier in these:
...couple of different pics of bassmaxx sub boxes that I modified:
http://www.steevee.com/subwoofer/subs14.jpg
http://www.steevee.com/subwoofer/subs15.jpg
http://www.steevee.com/subwoofer/subs16.jpg

Eventually I'm going to flop them on their sides underneath a new system.
I was interested in the JBL box...what is it the ASH6118 ?, not sure....but these are pretty much the same size. I really , really tried to go the T-line way but I don't like em "as much" except for the fact the footprint can be smaller...not that the big ones I built had any kind of WAF. ;)

[Niklas Nord]

I need the T/S parameters for the JBL 2269. Anyone here, who knows where to obtain it ?

[JBL 4645]

Been looking at the JBL professional sites Press Room of yesterdays technology and stumbled this and was intrigued.

How much does it go for I like it.:)

http://www.jblpro.com/pressroom/VT4880_06/VT4880_06.htm (http://www.jblpro.com/pressroom/VT4880_06/VT4880_06.htm)

[djk]

"How much does it go for I like it"

$1350 as a repair part #354096-001X

"I need the T/S parameters for the JBL 2269."

Fs=28hz, Qts=.36, Qms=4.8, Qes=.39, Vas=237, No=1.2%, Pe=1200W, x-max=19mm, Re=5.3, Le=2.5, Sd=1225, Bl=26.4, Mms=294, Flux=.6T, x-mech 88mm (P-P)